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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 12:17:38  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by verab


Teško je preporučit ili ne preporučit Josh Simmonsa, jednako ga je teško, bolje reći mučno čitati,



Mučno, da.

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pcoro
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 12:48:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send pcoro a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by verab

BLACK RIVER by Josh Simmons




Dobar je Black River. To je kao neka strip varijanta Ceste, samo grotesknija i manje ozbiljna. Jedno vrijeme sam baš volio Simmonsa, pasali su mi ti njegovi odvratni stripovi koji bi bili šokantni da nisu razblaženi neozbiljnim crtežom. Sad ga već neko vrijeme nisam pratio, vjerovatno se i potrošio taj njegov horror/humor. Furry trap kompilacija je meni najbolje od njega, ali i Black River je dobra priča.Vrijedilo bi usporediti Black River i Larcentovu Cestu pa vidjeti ko se tu bolje drži.
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 13:04:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Usporedba, na prvu:

jedan je odličan crtač, drugi je gori 2 klase od Zografa.
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 13:05:10  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ispade: neusporedivo.
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verab
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 13:26:11  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send verab a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hehe trn u oku klasičarima... pardon, estetama.

hejt, jal & rock 'n' roll
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alexts
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 13:32:03  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ona stara: Vuica vs. Callas. Da li je nebitno?
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verab
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 14:13:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send verab a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alexts

Ona stara: Vuica vs. Callas. Da li je nebitno?


Joj, ne pada mi na pamet raspravljat se o estetici, o lijepom, o ružnom (crtežu), likovnosti u stripu, ili općenito u umjetnosti, jer ćemo neminovno doći na onu "o ukusima se..."
Volim ja Fostera, Caniffa, Raymonda, Colana... obožavam Totha, Pratta, Brecciu, Kirbyja...
ali znam cijeniti autorsku underground/indie liniju i uživati u stripovima ljudi poput Simmonsa, Hanselmanna, Van Seivera, Jansona... ili Jeffery Browna, Porcellina, Villadsenove... itd. Hoću samo reći da ljepotu mogu pronaći i u naizgled ružnom. Stvar je oka.

Vuica ili Callas? Ajde, rekao bih Callas, a da si pitao Čkalja ili John Cleese, rekao bih, oba.

hejt, jal & rock 'n' roll

Edited by - verab on 03/10/2024 14:21:03
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alexts
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 14:51:18  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nećemo, doći ćemo do "ja sam u pravu!".

Nemojmo izmišljati nove estetike i ukuse, njene crtačke mogućnosti su skromne, ali ih ona koristi da iznese priču, koja će mnogima biti interesantna, pa i bitna. To je sve.

Nema potrebe da nju ili Satrapijevu sad proglašavamo vrhunskim crtačima, da bi opravdali zašto cenimo njihova dela.

Da bude još komplikovanije - postoje i crtači koji imaju - uprošćen ili "dečiji" ili "underground" ili skicast ili stilizovan crtački stil, koji su razvili, ali koji ZAISTA jesu sjajni crtači, koji mogu da crtaju šta i kako hoćeš, ali njih treba prepoznavati, a to je većini teže, nego prepoznati odličan crtež klasičnog realističnog stila, jer ne postoji adekvatna stvarnost sa kojom mogu da porede.

Edited by - alexts on 03/10/2024 14:52:41
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alexts
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 14:56:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
José Muñoz je odličan crtač underground/indie linije.

Kate Beaton nije.

Kao što postoje bolji i lošiji crtači klasičnog stila, postoje i u drugim odeljcima. To nije teško pojmiti?

Edited by - alexts on 03/10/2024 15:09:13
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alexts
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 15:10:16  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
José Antonio Muñoz tj.
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Poli
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Posted - 03/10/2024 : 15:16:54  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Poli a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Da li je Joe Sacco u prvoj ili drugoj kategoriji? Po meni zna crtati ali da vidim sta kaze struka.



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