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King Warrior
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 18:48:56
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
Nije cilj pogaziti, nego osloboditi.
Zar ti oni izgledaju kao da su oslobodjeni? Nece dva dana proci opet ce neki indijanac reci kako je Ken strava jer stari i cmizdri zajedno sa dzukcem u pecini. |
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Spock
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 18:49:40
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Ah, ne znam ni sam, stinky. Vidim održao si odlično predavanje na KP temi. Potukao si ih do nogu, objasnio, utrošio tvoje vrijedno vrijeme, ali niko od njih nije ni skontao da su pogaženi, da nisu u pravu. Takvo nešto je ponekad frustrirajuće. Poraziš čovjeka, on i dalje misli da je pobjednik. Šta se sa tim kenovcima dešava, vrijedi li uopšte trošiti vrijeme na njih. Kako je moguće da su toliko tvrdoglavi i dalje ništa ne kontaju.
Moram priznati da je rasturio! Čitam Kena po prvi put u ovom novom SA izdanju i danas idem pisati komentar za četvrtu epizodu. Sve OK, ali ne znam dali su misli koje mi dolaze pri pisanju moje ili mi ih je stinky usadio u svom desantu!  |
Kamo god da kreneš, uvijek si tu. |
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grofica Varga
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 18:52:07
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Mislim da je jednostavno šteta što kod nas postoji taj raskol, zbog toga gubimo posljednjih godina sva moguča takmičenja na forumu, bez obzira o čemu se radi. Došlo je do jačanja drugih sekti, npr. Kenovaca. Već se unaprijed zna da će "opet" osvojiti prvo mjesto za strip godine, njihovi fanovi razmišljaju kao botovi, tj. svi kao jedan, ili bolje rečeno složni su. Kod nas to više nije tako, previše frakcija, grupacija, previše kraljeva u našem carstvu. Iako smo i dalje najbrojniji, otišli smo u klinac, slično kao i Grčka nakon Aleksandra Velikog.
Pa ja nas ne bih nazvala nesložnima ili raspadnutima. Npr. možda ćemo nagor i ja imati neku raspravicu u vezi Kukaca ubojica i Aždaje, ali kad dođe neki hejter sa strane te naše razlike automatski nestanu. Što se tiče izbora za izdanje godine , Zagor ima puno izdanja i glasovi se rasprše. Mislim da bi ove godine Demoni mogli dobro stajati zbog one dvije naslovnice koje su prvi put objavljene na ovim prostorima. U povijesti.
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 18:52:54
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
Nije cilj pogaziti, nego osloboditi.
Zar ti oni izgledaju kao da su oslobodjeni? Nece dva dana proci opet ce neki indijanac reci kako je Ken strava jer stari i cmizdri zajedno sa dzukcem u pecini.
Što se mučiš s time Neka priča što tko hoće, to te ne može mučiti ako si čvrsto ukorijenjen |
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King Warrior
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King Warrior
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 19:00:37
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quote: Originally posted by grofica Varga
kad dođe neki hejter sa strane te naše razlike automatski nestanu.
Pa i nije baš tako, barem ne više. Većina je istupila rogove i zube, sklanjaju se s puta kada neko pljuje po Zagoru, eto da se ne bi nekome zamjerili. Na izborima za strip godine glasa se masovno za druge serijale. Ima toga još.
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Zoroasterixx
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stinky
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 19:02:06
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pa čekaj, king, tebi nije okej ken parker?
to je sasvim dobar strip, jako ujednačen. ako ti voliš sclavija, onda voliš i ovo, jer ima podosta sličnosti. ne treba tu ulaziti u opstruiranje, zato kažem: treba izdržati vjernost. zato što to možemo, doći i muški pogledati kena, to nas čini jačim, ne slabijim!
i slažem se s groficom vargom, kada dođu padobranci, brzo pokupe prnje. dapače, malo tko se više ozbiljno usuđuje zucnuti. samo neke papagajske lajt zajebancije, ali ozbiljno nitko ne smije. niti može! |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 19:04:19
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
King, zašto su važni stripovi godine?
A jbg, zorro, važni su (ili nisu važni) kao i svako drugo takmičenje. |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 19:06:25
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
King, zašto su važni stripovi godine?
A jbg, zorro, važni su (ili nisu važni) kao i svako drugo takmičenje.
Sve je to turba, kako bi rekao Hamvas Može se i tu veseliti, kao kod reprezentacije, ali treba znati mjeru I ne treba očajavati |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 19:06:45
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quote: Originally posted by stinky
pa čekaj, king, tebi nije okej ken parker?
Ken je, objektivno gledano, sasvim ok strip. Ali daleko od toga o čemu njegovi fanatici trube. To je jedan ok serijal, prosjek SBE, Milazzo je prosječan crtač. Sve prosjek. Nikakvo remek-djelo! Ni po čemu se ne odvaja od nekih drugih SBE serijala. To je surova istina. |
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stinky
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 19:15:13
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
King, zašto su važni stripovi godine?
A jbg, zorro, važni su (ili nisu važni) kao i svako drugo takmičenje.
ali to nisu muška natjecanja!
to nije 1 na 1, to je glasanje smrtnika, king čovječe
to je kao kad glasamo za stranku, predsjednika... supermašina. sve je to KAO, kao da... kao da je to strip godine, kao da je to najbolja stranka itd.
to je ono što ti se zove turba. suprermašina. supermašina može zadati žalac, itekako (kao što je Zagoru zadala supermašina sa supereksponentom Supermikeom!). ali čovjek to sve izdrži i ne gubi vjernost.
kao što zoro kaže: ako si čvrst, nikakvi stripovi godine te ne mogu pomaknuti. |
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grofica Varga
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 20:12:02
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Bilo važno ili nevažno, ako se vi dogovorite za koju Zagorovu epizodu glasati ja ću to podržati. Ima i to neke svoje čari. Ako Zagor pobijedi super, ako ne, neću plakati niti ću to uzeti za zlo Zagorovim fanovima. Smatrati nas slabima, razjedinjenima itd. |
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 08/01/2019 : 20:19:39
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Ken je, objektivno gledano, sasvim ok strip. Ali daleko od toga o čemu njegovi fanatici trube. To je jedan ok serijal, prosjek SBE, Milazzo je prosječan crtač. Sve prosjek. Nikakvo remek-djelo! Ni po čemu se ne odvaja od nekih drugih SBE serijala. To je surova istina.
Svete reči.
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PijaniPatak
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Posted - 09/01/2019 : 09:20:15
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by Kontrast 2
quote: Originally posted by PijaniPatak
Radite vi sta hocete, ali me ne stavljajte ni u jednu od navedenih. Ja sam zagorovac
Ma, sumnjiv si nešto u poslednje vreme... Neki čudni postovi, tekstovi,... Moraće Inkvizicija malo da obradi tvoj slučaj.
Hm, a i ono glasnje za DD za strip godine nismo zaboravili. :P
Ono je bre stripčina godine u svakom smislu. A i ti si od svih Odabranih odabrao jedinu svesku koju očima ne mogu gledati. Baci malo pogled na impressum ;) |
DNEVNIK CITANJA: Etika junaštva i deklišeizirani koreni u “Zagor prica...”
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stinky
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Posted - 09/01/2019 : 09:26:41
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quote: Originally posted by grofica Varga
Bilo važno ili nevažno, ako se vi dogovorite za koju Zagorovu epizodu glasati ja ću to podržati. Ima i to neke svoje čari. Ako Zagor pobijedi super, ako ne, neću plakati niti ću to uzeti za zlo Zagorovim fanovima. Smatrati nas slabima, razjedinjenima itd.
bilo kakve mobilizacije u tom smislu što govoriš (i što kinga muči) bile bi pad ispod razine
najveća je snaga ovo: sam sebe određivati*. to je sloboda: sam sebe odrediti i djelovati prema tom zakonu. a ne pristati na loša pravila drugih, pa i tada kad ti se naizgled čini da ne postižeš to što oni postižu (nekakvi stripovi godine i sl.)
* sam sebe odrediti NE ZNAČI opet puku samovolju. jer i to bi bio pad. ali da sad ne ulazimo u dubine. |
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grofica Varga
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Posted - 09/01/2019 : 10:02:25
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quote: Originally posted by stinky
quote: Originally posted by grofica Varga
Bilo važno ili nevažno, ako se vi dogovorite za koju Zagorovu epizodu glasati ja ću to podržati. Ima i to neke svoje čari. Ako Zagor pobijedi super, ako ne, neću plakati niti ću to uzeti za zlo Zagorovim fanovima. Smatrati nas slabima, razjedinjenima itd.
bilo kakve mobilizacije u tom smislu što govoriš (i što kinga muči) bile bi pad ispod razine
najveća je snaga ovo: sam sebe određivati*. to je sloboda: sam sebe odrediti i djelovati prema tom zakonu. a ne pristati na loša pravila drugih, pa i tada kad ti se naizgled čini da ne postižeš to što oni postižu (nekakvi stripovi godine i sl.)
* sam sebe odrediti NE ZNAČI opet puku samovolju. jer i to bi bio pad. ali da sad ne ulazimo u dubine.
Slobodno ti srićo uđi u dubinu. Baš si mi tu prestao pričati. Upravo me zanima to dalje, gdje ti se neda ići. Gdje ta sloboda (zbog koje je raditi ove stvari pad ispod nivoa) počinje biti samovolja koja je opet pad ispod nivoa? OT Meni su ti Kingovi pokušaji baš slatki i ja mu tu držim stranu. Mene to zabavlja na nekoj "guilty pleasure" razini.
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stinky
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Posted - 09/01/2019 : 10:28:20
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pokušat ću ti onda odgovoriti ali imaj na umu da je ovo kamo smo sada zašli, da je to iznimno teška problematika, takva kakva se -pazi sad- ne riješava sasvim decidirano ni u životnim opusima najvećih, nego se, recimo tako, upućuje, približava rješenju, rasvjetljava pitanje
znači, (preskačem sad sve međufaze i direkt na BAŠ TO što pitaš) ti možeš prozrijeti sve oko sebe kao lažno, isprazno, možeš si reći: ma mene nećete više varati. određuješ se samo svojom refleksijom, i što je sad tu još bitnije, svojim "osjećajem života", vitalnošću: sve što mene podiže, veseli, raduje, na kraju krajeva, sve što činiš je - dobro. ovakav "stav" ne mora biti isključivo u junačkom modusu (tu smo u romanu, u stripu itd.) nego može biti i u građanskom; hoću reći, možeš doći do takvog stava, a da ne pomišljamo ekstreme: možeš zadržati "pristojan" život, biti "realan" u odnosima sa drugima.
pa ipak, ako te na koncu određuje samo to što ti podiže osjećaj života, ako si sebe smjestio u centar - profulao si. promašuješ odnos periferije i centra i ti si u pobuni (pobunjeni sin) treba uzeti u obzir i cjelinu znači, sebe svakako, gledati SVOJU situaciju, ALI u cjelini.
to ti je ukratko i načelno kako biti osoba (pojedinačna, biti "ja") u svijetu i ne pasti ispod razine
ne postoje "tehnike" u smislu gotovih formula kako se to postiže postoje "uzori" preko kojih možeš učiti. ali, u osnovi, ti si u drugoj situaciji, oni su bili u drugoj, i njihov put se ne poklapa apsolutno sa tvojim.
ali, i ovo je sad ljepota, već kad možeš ovako razmišljati i zaista shvaćati o čemu se radi, već to znači - da si na dobrom putu
hoću reći, već si u onoj sferi kada određuješ samoga sebe a nisi puka samovolja |
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Posted - 09/01/2019 : 11:06:17
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King poziva na mobilizaciju, a stinky na meditaciju, slično je to dvoje, u drevnim spisima poznato kao M&M strategija. Kada se spoje u jedno, tada će da udare, ali kad i gdje? |
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Zoroasterixx
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