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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 09:37:21
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Samo jedno pitanje: kako crni orao na Zagijevoj majici u pretposljednjem kadru može onako svijetliti, odnosno biti svijetao?
Pa da je ne znam kakav izvor svjetla ispred ovog zatvorenika, plus što je Zagi u debeloj sjeni.
Kako? Kako? 

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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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emirem
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 09:44:09
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Umjetnicka sloboda. Nesto poput Batmanovih ociju koje svijetle, a oko njega se ocrtava njegovi obrisi. |
"Kompromisi u kolekcionarstvu su one stvari koje ce ti omoguciti da dozivis starost sa pozamasnom ustedjevinom!" |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 09:45:39
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Orao nikako ne može svijetliti, vjerojatno je u pitanju crtačka sloboda gdje je autor htio naglasiti da se radi o Zagoru. |
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igor 12
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 09:54:37
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Svakako, neosporno je vrlo efektno. Samo što mi itekako bode oči.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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PAJDO
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Croatia
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 09:57:21
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Svakako, neosporno je vrlo efektno. Samo što mi itekako bode oči.
Bisi se malo ugledao na Barisona. |
In spite of my rage I´m still rat in a cage... |
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kasper
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 09:59:04
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Svakako, neosporno je vrlo efektno. Samo što mi itekako bode oči.
svasta, odlicna scena  |
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kasper
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 10:20:36
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Svakako, neosporno je vrlo efektno. Samo što mi itekako bode oči.
svasta, odlicna scena 
Slažem se, odličan kadar. Ali s potpuno žrtvovanom realnošću, jer je svjetlina orla jednostavno nemoguća.
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solar
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King Warrior
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kucak
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 15:02:50
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Ako bi na umjetnost gledali realistično pretvorili bi je u kocku, kvadar, kvadrat, pravokutnik, krug itd. Umjetničkoj slobodi ne postavljaju se granice. Kako i zašto ne postoje... Inače, fantastičan kadar u kojem se "glasno govori" da pravda nadjača svaku tamu... |
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solar
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 15:06:04
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quote: Originally posted by kucak
Ako bi na umjetnost gledali realistično pretvorili bi je u kocku, kvadar, kvadrat, pravokutnik, krug itd. Umjetničkoj slobodi ne postavljaju se granice. Kako i zašto ne postoje... Inače, fantastičan kadar u kojem se "glasno govori" da pravda nadjača svaku tamu...
Drago mi je da ti se sviđa Piccatto. |
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kucak
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 15:55:56
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quote: Originally posted by solar
quote: Originally posted by kucak
Ako bi na umjetnost gledali realistično pretvorili bi je u kocku, kvadar, kvadrat, pravokutnik, krug itd. Umjetničkoj slobodi ne postavljaju se granice. Kako i zašto ne postoje... Inače, fantastičan kadar u kojem se "glasno govori" da pravda nadjača svaku tamu...
Drago mi je da ti se sviđa Piccatto.
Haha dovitljiva dosjetka.... :) Sad sam odjednom zaboravio da ne volim pretjerano umjetnost.. Kipi mi juha i zagorit će mi pečenje... Odoh.... Ili kao što bi Čiko rekao - crtaaaaaa
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going going
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Serbia
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 18:11:26
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Dnevnik citanja
Ukleta zemlja Toninelli/Ferri
Vidi se da je kod mnogih ocena i komentara na ovoj recenziji presudna velika nostalgija. Epiozoda zaista nije nista posebno, ja inace nisam fan ovakvih ,,izgubljenih svet" prica, iako mi je Americka Odiseja jedna od drazih epizoda na serijalu, a i Tonineli je napisao jednu pricu slicne tematike koja mi se mnogo vise svidja a to je ,,Grad iznad sveta". Iako prica sama po sebi nije nista posebno, Tonineli fino vodi pricu i uspeva da napravi par puta osecaj napetosti (posebno bih istakao scenu kada ogromne zabe prozdiru telo serifa i jurnjava za ostatkom ekipe kroz mocvaru), ali ima i dosta nerealno i glupo razresenih situacija kao pred kraj spustanje niz onu ostru liticu, Zagor i ekipa naprave dizalicu ocas posla na kojoj bi im pozavideli i najstrucniji inzenjeri. Steta jer je prica zbog takvih glupih i bas detinjastih scena izgubila na mogucoj ozbiljnsoti. Ferrijev crtez je odlican ali ipak nije na onom maestralnom niovu iz tog vremena. Naslovne cista desetka!
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kucak
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 18:53:53
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Slažem se da su neke scene naivno napravljene, posebno pri kraju, ali strip uistinu čitatelja drži posebno napetim.. Kada su ih progonile divovske žabe imao sam osjećaj da sam i ja tamo. Atmosfera za 10, Napetost za 10, Priča zaslužuje 7-8, Ideja lijepo iskorištena 8, Naslovnice 10. Ne mislim da je nostalgija u pitanju kada netko reče da je ova epizoda vrlo dobra-odlična. Dapače, da je rađena u "novoj eri" s Andreuccijevim crtežom bila bi još uzdignutija u očima fanova, a kamoli u Tatinoj zlatnoj eri. Slavili bi je kao remek djelo, jer, ne zaboravimo, i novije epizode imaju "jednostavna rješenja" i "naivne trenutke". "Tonninelijeva era" je, nažalost, stigmatizirana, posebno pred kraj. Psihološki momenti "periodiranja" dižu, odnosno oduzimaju bar 10% ocjenu. Uzmimo Morsku stravu. Nema naivnih, odnosno nes(p)retnih trenutaka? Ima itekako. Ali to je strip. I opet je strašna priča. Ali ima i sreću da je potpisao "moderni" Boselli i "moderni" Andreucci, dva iznimno kvalitetna umjetnika, ali zasluženo "herojstvo" dizanja serijala ima povoljan psihološki momenat u promatranju kvalitete. Ne kažem da je Tonnineli bolji autor od Bosellija, ali da ima hendikep u uspoređivanju svojih najboljih priča s najboljevim Bosellijevim pričama - ima. Tako ja to vidim, a ne mora značiti da je tako... |
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King Warrior
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going going
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 19:30:13
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@kucak, slazem se da postoji ta stigmatizacija Toninelijeve ere u odnosu na Bosselijevu i Burattinijevu pocetnu eru, ali ja ne patim od toga. Trudim se da sto je moguce objektivnije udjem u epizodu i ako je kvalitetna, uzivacu ako je pak slaba ili osrednja(kao sto je nazalost i Ukleta zemlja) onda necu biti toliko odusevljen. Naprimer meni sjajna Bosselijeva prica Teksaski rendzeri ima dve, po meni, velike nelogicnosti koje sam izneo i zbog koje sam smanjio ocenu epizodu na recenziji tj. dao Bosseliju 7icu za scenario. Mozda sam malo bio previse strog jer mi je to mozda i najomiljenija i najbolja Bosselijeva prica pored Osvete Vudu ali trudim se da budem sto je moguce objektivniji. Sa Toninelijevom erom sam najmanje upoznat i sad cu u extra ediciji procitati sve i prosuditi sam za sebe kakav mi je Tonineli. Za sada su mi njegove najbolje price Grad iznad sveta i Rendal Mutant.
@King  nije Eldrane, idalje sam ja iza avatara! Jos sam zbog tvoje liste 20 najboljih epizoda na kojoj se nalazi i Ukleta zemlja ocekivao bas dobru pricu, zato sam se jos vise iznenadio epizodom. Jer se tvoj i moj ukus umnogome poklapa i sto se tice Zagora i sto se tice americkih stripova. Ali eto, prosto mi nije sela ova prica onoliko koliko je ostalim citaocima. Svakako jeste interesantan i zabavna i napeta(jurnjava sa zabama) ali ostatak, razvoj likova, razlog putovanja i kraj epizode su razocaravajuci. |
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velka031
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Posted - 15/10/2016 : 22:52:39
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Mogu shvatiti goinga, da ju je čitao 1986. sa 8 godina, bila bi mu kult. No radi se, i u sadašnjem kontekstu gdje smo matora čangrizala, o vrlo dobroj priči, sa briljantnim crtežom, koja ipak ne ide u sam vrh serijala, jer je konkurencija preopasna :) I kad ju opet čitam, muka mi dođe kad se sjetim što je Sedioli napravio od nastavka. |
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cronos six
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Posted - 16/10/2016 : 00:57:06
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ukleta zemlja je prosek i nista vise... ratnik pekot-isto i kad sve te epizode uporedim recimo sa"neshvatljivom avanturom mnogima"Horde zla sa Donatellijem je filmski Ep za ove ferrijeve. Od novijih epizoda Kameni Div sije celu JA.Odiseju.. |
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kucak
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Posted - 16/10/2016 : 01:01:08
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Šteta za nastavak Uklete zemlje da je loš.. Malo bi morali pripaziti na povratke starih junaka / starih priča, jer spajanjem istih u cjelinu dobiješ gorak okus... Tako da mi nije baš jasna ta politika.. Bolje je (anti)junaka zadržati u lijepom sjećanju. OK, Helingenov povratak je uvijek spektakl i to je posebna kategorija.. Ali što učiniše Mutantu, po meni i Mortimeru posljednja dva puta (potpuno bespotrebno), "spalili" su i Ukletu zemlju. Ima još toga..... Nisu to loše epizode, ali definitivno je neke uspomene trebalo čuvati, odnosno ne (u)gasiti sjaj legendarnih likova...
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Jozzinelli
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Posted - 16/10/2016 : 03:10:20
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Ukleta zemlja objektivno nije vrhunska priča, ali je bolja od Američke Odiseje, koju veliki broj zagorovaca svrstava u top priče. Džinovske žabe ostavljaju jači utisak nego čovekoliki majmuni, kojih smo se već nagledali u Tarzanu. Dobro, priznajem da kod mene igra ulogu i nostalgija, ja sam odrastao na Toninelijevim pričama. Kada sam čitao ovo sa 8-9 godina, bila mi je jedna od najboljih priča. Svakako da sada ne može pri čitanju da bude isti osećaj napetosti kao tad...
Ali, gde going going nađe da mu od svih scena najviše zasmeta to pravljenje dizalice i spuštanje niz liticu? Pa, kod Zagora ima tol'ko naivnih scena koje se malo-malo ponavljaju u pričama, dizalica je obična sitnica... Ono što je meni najviše zasmetalo sad, kad sam ponovo pročitao priču u VČ izdanju, je to da, dok beže od žaba, malo trče, a malo rone kroz močvaru... To, inače, Zagor redovno uvežbava u svojoj darkvudskoj močvari i o tome je verovatno stotinu puta raspravljano na forumu. Kao i o mogućnosti da svojom tupom sekirom seče konopce i lijane... I pored takvih standarda koji su odavno ustanovljeni u ovom stripu, going kaže da je zbog dizalice "priča izgubila na mogućoj ozbiljnosti"?! |
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King Warrior
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D.J.
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Posted - 16/10/2016 : 07:23:01
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Slazem se Going, Ukleta zemlja nije vrhunska prica. (Sorry King )Svakako vrlo dobra kao mnoge Toninelijeve, ali taj covjek nije napisao jednu jedinu vrhunsku pricu. U tome ga Burattini sije jer ih on ima nekoliko. Ali Burattini isto tako moze napisati i vrlo lose price dok se ne sjecam ijedne bas lose Toninelijeve. Nema tu isprike kao nije mu crtao Andreucci ili tko znam tko, pa imao je Ferrija, on i je majstor za te vrste prica! A vecina nas ovdje je odrasla upravo na Toninelijevim pricama tako da one za nas imaju najjacu dozu nostalgije. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 16/10/2016 : 11:23:01
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Nije vrhunska ali je vrlo dobra Ukleta zemlja, svakako puno bolja od mnogih Toninellijevih kratkih priča od jedva preko 100 stranica, sa puno klišeja i već viđenih stvari. |
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