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D.J.
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Posted - 17/10/2016 : 09:30:37
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quote: Originally posted by Jozzinelli
quote: Originally posted by kucak
I pitanje je što je "vrhunska priča".. Po meni je vrhunska ona koja je u potpunosti zadovoljila čitatelja i to na način da, ako ima vremena i uvjeta, ne ispušta strip iz ruku dok ga ne pročita. Ako ćemo tražiti zamjerke poput nerealnosti, naivnosti i loših rješenja, te još uključiti detalje crteža - ne znam koji bi strip od svih 600+ Zagora bio vrhunski.
Pa i ja sam pokušao da kažem da je upitan taj pojam. Vrhunske bi možda bile one priče za koje i neko ko nije Zagorov fan može da kaže da su odstupile od stereotipa, da su na neki način uspele da podignu ustaljeni tok radnje Zagorovih priča na neki viši nivo. Kao Sloboda ili smrt, recimo. Ali, tako gledano, bio bi mali broj vrhunskih priča, većinu bi činile samo "vrlo dobre" priče. A sa tim se Zagorovi fanovi sigurno ne bi složili...
Za Zagorove fanove postoji mnoštvo vrhunskih priča, samo se i tu javljaju neusaglašeni stavovi i nedoslednost u zapažanju i ocenjivanju nekih detalja. Redovni čitaoci Zagora ne obraćaju pažnju na naivne detalje koji se povremeno (ili često) ponavljaju u stripu, ali zato zapaze neku naivnu scenu kakve do tada nije bilo i onda im ona zasmeta da bi im epizoda bila odlična (ili "ozbiljna").
S tačke gledišta onog ko Zagora sada čita samo povremeno, uglavnom starije epizode i pokoju noviju (pod "noviju" mislim na čitav period nakon Dnevnika), savetujem vam da se složite sa Kingom. Ako vam je Američka Odiseja vrhunska, onda i Ukleta zemlja jeste vrhunska.
Ipak mislim da ima kvalitetne razlike u Americkoj odiseji i Ukletoj zemlji. Americka odiseja je vrhunska, dok Ukleta zamlja ipak nije na tom nivou. Tesko je to rijecima opisati, Americka odiseja ima nesto grandizono, epsko u njoj, ima i emocionalan naboj, dok Ukleta zemlja nema toga. Ukleta zemlja ima dobru akciju i napetost, ali nema taj "X factor" koji Nolittina ima u izobilju. No to je velicina Nolitte i njegovog pogleda na svijet koji izdise iz njegovih stripova. |
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Džedson
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Posted - 17/10/2016 : 13:50:30
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Ajde neka videee da nas imaaaa
Mene naprotiv sve što izlazi u ekstri smara i dosađuje neviđeno. Oš Pekota, Ukletu zemlju, Brodolom na Missouriju, Jednookog Jacka, Rendala Mutanta, sve što mi je bilo super kao klincu jedva uz migrene se dokotrljam do kraja. Crtež uglavnom osrednji. Nema šanse da sad objašnjavam što i kako, tek toliko da se vidiiii da nas imaaaaa |
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Posted - 17/10/2016 : 15:07:55
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Slazem se sa dzedsonom i d.j...nollitine price pune su emocija i prave avanture..posle njega jedino zavredjuju paznju sclavi i donekle castelli..tonineli ima dobrih ali i dosadnih,cak bih reko razocaravajucih prica. |
Juznjak! Tex Willer.
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Džedson
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Posted - 17/10/2016 : 16:28:31
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
Džedsone, koje su ti omiljene Zagorove priče? Jel ti sviđa što od novijih? 
Zagor orig 345-435, tu ih se najviše smjestilo (iliti Nestali istraživač do zadnjeg Kandraxa). 7 gradova Cibone (tak sam pročitao naslov kad je bio na kiosku, hihi) mi je najjači. Ima jedno tri-četiri godine da sam to razdoblje zadnji put iščitavao i bilo mi je sjajno. Ove stare mi je nekak opasno zgazilo vrijeme. Tu je pak vremenski razmak između zadnjih čitanja oko 20 godina sada već. Sve su mi nekad bile super, sad ništa Sad će Hagot, pa Tonkino Prokletstvo, pa Sveti brijeg, valjda me ne bu migrene lovile i na tome. Demon Ludila me već razočarao  |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 17/10/2016 : 17:06:00
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KW Dnevnik; 17.10.2016:
- 13.50: Forumas po imenu Dzedson je ostavio zbunjujucu poruku na forumu. Izgleda da mu se ne svidja klasicni Zagor.
- 13.57: Nesto mi ne da mira ta njegova poruka. Ko je taj Dzedson? Uporno njuskam po njegovom profilu da pronadjem vise inofrmacija. Nista!
- 14.09: Spremio sam sebi da jedem, ne ide, po glavi mi se i dalje mota taj Dzedson. Ko je on? Da nije neki placenik? Mozda ga je neko poslao da uzdrma stabilnost zagorologije i svih njenih sljedbenika.
14.48: Nagor se obradovao Dzedsonovoj poruci. Dugo nam je trebalo da izvedemo Nagora na pravi put, morali smo ga cak podvrgnuti egzorcizmu kamenom sjekirom po glavi. Izgleda da je opet Wendigo u njega usao.
- 15.07: Cronos ga podrazava, ocigledno da nije shvatio sta je Dzedson napisao.
- 15.16: Pokrenuo sam neke internacionalne veze, da saznam vise o tom covjeku. Nista! Kao da je duh.
- 16.26: Dzedson je online. Pomno pratim svaki njegov pokret, spreman sam psihicki i fizicki za njegovu sljedecu poruku. Bice udar, sigurno, ne smijem se destabilizovati, bez obzira sta napise.
- 16.28: Dzedson je ostavio novu poruku na forumu. Izgleda da stuje Chiarollu i ostake antihriste, pljuje po Demonu ludila. Sigurno neki placenik.
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 17/10/2016 : 19:04:37
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quote: Originally posted by Džedson
Ajde neka videee da nas imaaaa
Mene naprotiv sve što izlazi u ekstri smara i dosađuje neviđeno.
Škriiiikkkk!!!! Da bi ja ovako nešto izjavio, morao bih si samodijagnosticirati (jel se to tako piše? ) tešku depresiju!!! |
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nagor
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Posted - 17/10/2016 : 20:22:35
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
KW Dnevnik; 17.10.2016:
- 13.50: Forumas po imenu Dzedson je ostavio zbunjujucu poruku na forumu. Izgleda da mu se ne svidja klasicni Zagor.
- 13.57: Nesto mi ne da mira ta njegova poruka. Ko je taj Dzedson? Uporno njuskam po njegovom profilu da pronadjem vise inofrmacija. Nista!
- 14.09: Spremio sam sebi da jedem, ne ide, po glavi mi se i dalje mota taj Dzedson. Ko je on? Da nije neki placenik? Mozda ga je neko poslao da uzdrma stabilnost zagorologije i svih njenih sljedbenika.
14.48: Nagor se obradovao Dzedsonovoj poruci. Dugo nam je trebalo da izvedemo Nagora na pravi put, morali smo ga cak podvrgnuti egzorcizmu kamenom sjekirom po glavi. Izgleda da je opet Wendigo u njega usao.
- 15.07: Cronos ga podrazava, ocigledno da nije shvatio sta je Dzedson napisao.
- 15.16: Pokrenuo sam neke internacionalne veze, da saznam vise o tom covjeku. Nista! Kao da je duh.
- 16.26: Dzedson je online. Pomno pratim svaki njegov pokret, spreman sam psihicki i fizicki za njegovu sljedecu poruku. Bice udar, sigurno, ne smijem se destabilizovati, bez obzira sta napise.
- 16.28: Dzedson je ostavio novu poruku na forumu. Izgleda da stuje Chiarollu i ostake antihriste, pljuje po Demonu ludila. Sigurno neki placenik.
Veliš, u zadnje vrijeme nešto puno hakiranih profila. Svi nešto "objektivni" glede tih starijih epizoda...  |
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NikDime
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Posted - 18/10/2016 : 00:11:12
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
KW Dnevnik; 17.10.2016:
- 13.50: Forumas po imenu Dzedson je ostavio zbunjujucu poruku na forumu. Izgleda da mu se ne svidja klasicni Zagor.
- 13.57: Nesto mi ne da mira ta njegova poruka. Ko je taj Dzedson? Uporno njuskam po njegovom profilu da pronadjem vise inofrmacija. Nista!
- 14.09: Spremio sam sebi da jedem, ne ide, po glavi mi se i dalje mota taj Dzedson. Ko je on? Da nije neki placenik? Mozda ga je neko poslao da uzdrma stabilnost zagorologije i svih njenih sljedbenika.
14.48: Nagor se obradovao Dzedsonovoj poruci. Dugo nam je trebalo da izvedemo Nagora na pravi put, morali smo ga cak podvrgnuti egzorcizmu kamenom sjekirom po glavi. Izgleda da je opet Wendigo u njega usao.
- 15.07: Cronos ga podrazava, ocigledno da nije shvatio sta je Dzedson napisao.
- 15.16: Pokrenuo sam neke internacionalne veze, da saznam vise o tom covjeku. Nista! Kao da je duh.
- 16.26: Dzedson je online. Pomno pratim svaki njegov pokret, spreman sam psihicki i fizicki za njegovu sljedecu poruku. Bice udar, sigurno, ne smijem se destabilizovati, bez obzira sta napise.
- 16.28: Dzedson je ostavio novu poruku na forumu. Izgleda da stuje Chiarollu i ostake antihriste, pljuje po Demonu ludila. Sigurno neki placenik.

Ovo je jedna od boljih ilustracija kako funkcioniše tipični Zagorov forumaš!  |
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Džedson
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Posted - 18/10/2016 : 11:40:02
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Starino, bojim se da bi batine dijelio ja zamisli si real life Supermajka i otprilike me možeš vizualizirati. Morat ćeš ovaj put lukavstvom |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 18/10/2016 : 11:43:59
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Napokon covjek sa mudima! Pravi izazov, sposoban protivnik. Na licnog Supermikea cekam vec dugo. Nadam se da si pripremio odgovarajuci kostim.
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Džedson
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King Warrior
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Posted - 18/10/2016 : 12:21:46
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 Jesi li bas toliko visok/ogroman, ili sta vec? Daj stavi slikicu, da te malo cekiram.  Ne, ozbiljno. Pojma nemam kako izgledas, ne znam mozda da li si stavio vec sliku u svastari na onoj temi pokazite se. |
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Posted - 18/10/2016 : 12:37:58
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KW
195 cm i 93 kg, utreniran, što bi rekao Aco Petrović, u tonusu. Bavim se sportom cijeli život. Nemam ti nažalost nikakvih sličica na kompu, a da mi vidiš mobitel bilo bi ti i jasno zašto No nije zajebancija da bih mogao proći kao Supermike u nekom našem amaterskom uratku jer sam plavokos. Od tebe sam vidio sliku u onom tvom dućanćiću, što li je već, znam da si jak ali nemoguće je odrediti jesi li gabarita Renea Bitorajca ili veći |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 18/10/2016 : 12:43:48
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quote: Originally posted by Džedson
KW
195 cm i 93 kg, utreniran, što bi rekao Aco Petrović, u tonusu. Bavim se sportom cijeli život. Nemam ti nažalost nikakvih sličica na kompu, a da mi vidiš mobitel bilo bi ti i jasno zašto No nije zajebancija da bih mogao proći kao Supermike u nekom našem amaterskom uratku jer sam plavokos. Od tebe sam vidio sliku u onom tvom dućanćiću, što li je već, znam da si jak ali nemoguće je odrediti jesi li gabarita Renea Bitorajca ili veći
Au, ima te u visinu. Mislim da bi me opusteno u sprintu potukao, dosta si i laksi. 181cm/105kg su moje trenutne dimenzije. Samo, mnogo sam ljepsi nego onaj Brdarov KW.
A imam spreman i kostim 
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Džedson
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Posted - 18/10/2016 : 12:52:15
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Bila bi to lijepa borba vidim Rijetko sam se borio s težim ljudima od sebe. Ipak, desnica mi još nikad nije zakazala A osim toga morali bi dogovoriti sedam borbi |
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