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King Warrior
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Posted - 21/10/2016 : 15:24:46
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Ova registracija sa foruma ne vrijedi za drugi dio sajta. Ako hoćeš tamo nešto komentirati moraš ponoviti registraciju, a kada sve ispravno ukucaš ne bi smjelo biti problema.
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 21/10/2016 : 15:27:46
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Ma sve je po starom, mislio sam upravo na ovo isto što si i ti napisao.  |
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igor 12
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Posted - 22/10/2016 : 11:26:30
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Baš me zbediralo ovo,Kandrax je jedan koji čini sveto trojstvo Zagorovih neprijatelja i nije mu se smjelo ovako neozbiljno pristupiti.Nije riječ toliko o samom Kandraxu,njegova karakterizacija je odlična. Dodao mu je Nicolai dozu okrutnosti i zloće,puno je mračniji nego u prvom pojavljivanju,čak je i osnovao svoje malo carstvo zla.Ono što me najviše smetalo radnja,njen tijek i puno bedastoća koje se pojavljuju na samom putovanju do dvorca.Pogodio je scenarist atmosferu epizode,bar početak . Mračna,napeta i tajanstvena,nožem ju možeš rezati u onom selu,pogotovo kad ulete Kandraxovi podanici i počine masakr.Ali zbunjoze počinju kad naši junaci krenu u potjeru. Između Čikovih i Zagorovih podjebavanja uletavaju podanici i pokušavaju ih roknit.I to sa mačevima,kopljima i strelicama.Mogao je moćni Kandrax pokojeg podanika i modernijim oružjem oboružati.A ni te borbe nisu nešto,pogotovo uz priglupe dijaloge koji dolaze sa obje strane.I samo putovanje čamcem je podosta bezvezno,znači prije će doći čamcem veslajući uzvodno nego da su išli cipelcugom?Pa onda gablec na ražnju?Njima se žuri,ali stanu usput,puste krv srni,oderu ju,izvade iznutrice,pripreme ražanj,nabiju srnu na ražan i peku ju?Pa brat bratu za to bi trebalo kojih šest-sedam sati.I tako svako malo,baš krajnje banalno,nekako preobično za takvog starog neprijatelja,kao i sukob u dvorcu. Pohvala kako je ubacio Zagorove frendove pod utjecajem hipnoze da roknu našeg junaka kao i na finalnom obračunu dva neprijatelja,fora sa sjenom je odlična.Sve u svemu da se pročitati ali ostaje blago razočaranje,ne podiže ju ni faktor nostalgije. |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 22/10/2016 : 19:27:25
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Barem je Kandrax i nakon te epizode ostao jedan od velikana. Pogledaj sta je Boselli uradio sa "svetim trojstvom". Kandraxa i Hellingena je stavio da budu sluge drugim likovima, Rakosi je dobio tek sporednu ulogu. |
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igor 12
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Posted - 22/10/2016 : 20:04:57
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Kandrax je i u prva dva pojavljivanja bio sluga svom bogu kojem je prinosio žrtve a Boselli je tom bogu dao fizički lik ali je ostavio Kandraxa kao temelj zbivanja a čitatelj ima dojam da je Kandrax tek sporedna uloga pokraj svih onih fantastičnih likova ali ipak sve počinje i završava sa njim.To je taj Bosellijev trik. Hellingen se trebao upokojiti sa Demonima,gdje češ boljeg kraja za starog nemesisa nego onog kada je shvatio sve svoje grijehe i pokajao se za njih i umro.Ali to je Sclavi i njegov paralelni svemir. A Rakosi,tu bi se čak i složio da je odigrao sporednu ulogu,bacio ga je Boselli u drugi plan ali smo zato dobili nekoliko novih odličnih likova.Valjda će mu Rauch vratiti status glavnoga. |
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PijaniPatak
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King Warrior
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 11:27:54
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Vidim na italijanskom forumu postavili poll da li su za to da Sclavi opet napise nekoliko epizoda za Zagora. Vecina glasala za NE. E blago se nama s njima. |
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tinton
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 11:51:52
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Da, još nabolje da ponovno krenemo čitati raznorazne "Thundermane"... |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 17:09:31
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Da, još nabolje da ponovno krenemo čitati raznorazne "Thundermane"...
U pravu si za ovo. Ali pravi Sclavi stvarno bi bio dobrodošao da uleti tu i tamo. |
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 23/10/2016 : 17:17:55
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quote: Originally posted by PijaniPatak
Moj uvodni tekst za "Osvetu Vudua" u Epicentrovom izdanju Zagora (knjiga treća):
Crossroad Blues (klik!)
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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PijaniPatak
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PijaniPatak
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Rahazlam
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:04:58
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Barem je Kandrax i nakon te epizode ostao jedan od velikana. Pogledaj sta je Boselli uradio sa "svetim trojstvom". Kandraxa i Hellingena je stavio da budu sluge drugim likovima, Rakosi je dobio tek sporednu ulogu.
Sta je Boselli napravio sa "svetim trojstvom"!?
Hmm,da vidimo,napravio je jednu odličnu epizodu koja spada među sam vrh Zagora(Hellingen),napravio je odličnu epizodu koja također spada među sam vrh Zagora(Rakosi),napravio je jednu sasvim solidnu epizodu(Kandrax)!
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Rahazlam
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:07:06
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Vidim na italijanskom forumu postavili poll da li su za to da Sclavi opet napise nekoliko epizoda za Zagora. Vecina glasala za NE. E blago se nama s njima.
Kako stoje kod njih Demoni,vidio sam da ih nema među top 10,ispred njih je Nolittin zadnji Hellingen sto je po meni suludo!! |
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:11:33
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Moje vidjenje: - Helingen 6 - vrlo dobar, da nije onih kentaura na početku... možda i više od toga - Kandraks 3 - dosta lošije i, paradoksalno, iako bolje nacrtan od Marčelovog, središnji deo deluje kao potpuno suvišan. - Vampir 3 - odlična priča... ali skoro bez Vampira. |
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:13:03
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quote: Originally posted by Rahazlam
Kako stoje kod njih Demoni,vidio sam da ih nema među top 10,ispred njih je Nolittin zadnji Hellingen sto je po meni suludo!!
Kako kome. Teror šeste planete je i za mene najbolja priča o Helingenu - do sada. |
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Rahazlam
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:18:19
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Meni je Bosellijev Helingen sigurno top 5 Zagora,uz Zimsku zmiju,Demone,Bijes Osaga i Ocean! Dobro mi je ubacivanje Bena Stevensa i ne razumijem kako to ljudi navode kao manu toj priči,meni je to plus!!
Boselijev Rakosi također odlična priča,ipak ne u rangu Helingena ali jako dobra epizoda,ipak mi je bolji prvi Nolitin vampir,to mi je ujedinio i najbolja priča o vampirima uopce(a gledo sam filmova,cito stripova...)
Slažem se da je kod Bosellijevog Kandraxa ona druga priča nepotrebna!Solidna epizoda!! |
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:25:06
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Vidim na italijanskom forumu postavili poll da li su za to da Sclavi opet napise nekoliko epizoda za Zagora. Vecina glasala za NE. E blago se nama s njima.
I u pravu su. |
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Rahazlam
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:26:13
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quote: Originally posted by Kontrast 2
quote: Originally posted by Rahazlam
Kako stoje kod njih Demoni,vidio sam da ih nema među top 10,ispred njih je Nolittin zadnji Hellingen sto je po meni suludo!!
Kako kome. Teror šeste planete je i za mene najbolja priča o Helingenu - do sada.
Tesko,probaj zajebat nostalgiju,mozda je ta priča imala potencijala da postane najbolja ali po meni nije Nolita to dobro izveo i to je samo i isključivo njegova greška!!
Uvod je predug,kraj je kratak,previše kratak,umjesto da je Nolitta ubacio neku akciju na kraju,napad vojske na vanzemaljce,pa ih onda oni razvale kolko su moćni,pa se vojska povlači,pa ih umre na tisuće,pa panika,ovo,ono,e onda stupa Zagor na scenu sa onim Rakumovim lukom i strijelom,pa ih praši jednog po jednog,oni bježe ali ipak pokušaju Zagora pogoditi sa onom paralizirajućih zrakom ali Zagor ih sa štitom odbija...
Ma da je moglo puno bolje,moglo je,šteta za tu epizodu,to je po meni najveće razočaranje kod Zagora,još je to zadnja Nolitina priča,trebao se vise potruditi da ode u stilu,šteta previše je razvukao uvod a kraj ubrzao!! |
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:45:58
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Uvod je taman kakav treba. To je jedna od osnovnih karakteristika dobre priče - lagani nagoveštaji onog što sledi, podizanje napetosti, ....
Kraj nije zbrzan, a to što nema velikog obračuna sa vojskom - to je zato, što su nekada scenaristi vodili računa o istoriji. Nema zabeleženog sukoba regularne vojske SAD sa vanzemaljcima - onda to treba izbeći i u scenariju. Kao i velike (nigde zabeležene) bitke protiv Indijanaca.... A zato su i svi "tajni" gradovi uvek uništeni na kraju priče... |
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:51:25
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quote: Originally posted by Kontrast 2 Kraj nije zbrzan, a to što nema velikog obračuna sa vojskom - to je zato, što su nekada scenaristi vodili računa o istoriji. Nema zabeleženog sukoba regularne vojske SAD sa vanzemaljcima - onda to treba izbeći i u scenariju.
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 00:51:29
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Samo kod Bozelija može da se desi, da mu džinovski robot sruši pola nekog Američkog grada, ili da podmornica potopi X brodova - i sve to onako usput, kao da je to nešto beznačajno. To je još jedna mana njegove priče. S neba pa u rebra - ali na pogrešan način. Recimo....ova situacija: Magla...dva mornara razgovaraju pored ivice broda....ništa bitno, običan razgovor...čuje se neki zvuk....jedan od njih pita drugog da li je čuo nešto... tada u krupnom planu podmornica izranja iz vode (jednim delom, naravno), dok oni užasnuto gledaju...brod potopljen - ostali samo delovi dasaka. Mnogo veći značaj dat pojavljivanju te famozne podmornice. Slična scena i za Titana. A tek onda ide scena sa Zagorom i Čikom... I to bez kentaura. |
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 07:53:23
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nedavno sam opet pročitao tu epizodu i što kažeš atmosfera je bolja nego u prvom kandraksu, ali radnja poslije masakra u selu nije tako dobra kako mi je bila prije 30 godina.quote: Originally posted by igor 12
Baš me zbediralo ovo,Kandrax je jedan koji čini sveto trojstvo Zagorovih neprijatelja i nije mu se smjelo ovako neozbiljno pristupiti.Nije riječ toliko o samom Kandraxu,njegova karakterizacija je odlična. Dodao mu je Nicolai dozu okrutnosti i zloće,puno je mračniji nego u prvom pojavljivanju,čak je i osnovao svoje malo carstvo zla.Ono što me najviše smetalo radnja,njen tijek i puno bedastoća koje se pojavljuju na samom putovanju do dvorca.Pogodio je scenarist atmosferu epizode,bar početak . Mračna,napeta i tajanstvena,nožem ju možeš rezati u onom selu,pogotovo kad ulete Kandraxovi podanici i počine masakr.Ali zbunjoze počinju kad naši junaci krenu u potjeru. Između Čikovih i Zagorovih podjebavanja uletavaju podanici i pokušavaju ih roknit.I to sa mačevima,kopljima i strelicama.Mogao je moćni Kandrax pokojeg podanika i modernijim oružjem oboružati.A ni te borbe nisu nešto,pogotovo uz priglupe dijaloge koji dolaze sa obje strane.I samo putovanje čamcem je podosta bezvezno,znači prije će doći čamcem veslajući uzvodno nego da su išli cipelcugom?Pa onda gablec na ražnju?Njima se žuri,ali stanu usput,puste krv srni,oderu ju,izvade iznutrice,pripreme ražanj,nabiju srnu na ražan i peku ju?Pa brat bratu za to bi trebalo kojih šest-sedam sati.I tako svako malo,baš krajnje banalno,nekako preobično za takvog starog neprijatelja,kao i sukob u dvorcu. Pohvala kako je ubacio Zagorove frendove pod utjecajem hipnoze da roknu našeg junaka kao i na finalnom obračunu dva neprijatelja,fora sa sjenom je odlična.Sve u svemu da se pročitati ali ostaje blago razočaranje,ne podiže ju ni faktor nostalgije.
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igor 12
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Posted - 24/10/2016 : 08:47:36
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Drugi Kandrax je meni najslabiji dio trilogije.Boselli ipak šiša i Nolittu i Nicolaia.Uveo nas je u Kandraxov svijet i predstavio novu plejadu likova,što je odlično.Jer nije mogao ići putem prve dvojice i opet olinjala druida forsirati u stvaranju keltske civilizacije u Americi.To smo već imali i vidjeli kako je završilo. |
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