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Dwayne_Looney
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Posted - 11/08/2015 : 15:49:45
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Upravo sam pročitao Zagorov specijal Divlja horda u kojem je banda skrivena među stijenama postavila zasjedu za Zagora i šerifa. Ali sve je propalo jer je Zagor u zadnji trenutak vidio odsjaj sunca na pušci. Ne znam samo kako mu to uvijek "uspije", a ni banditi se nikada ne "sjete" zamaskirati metalne dijelove koji svijetle.
Evo taman prekjučer naletio na taj slučaj u almanahu s Digging Billom |
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WOLF-HUNTER
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Posted - 11/08/2015 : 16:05:24
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Evo sta mene malo zivcira kod "Pobunjenici iz Louisiane". Kada u vili nasrnu na Zagora ona dva diva od crnca i olako ga srede. A kasnije kada Zagor pobjedi krokodila sav iscrpljen uspije da sredi divove jednim udarcem. Wtf? |
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VALTER
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morski
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Posted - 11/08/2015 : 17:17:40
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quote: Originally posted by VALTER
Najviše me živiciraju tzv. fanovi i fanatični izučavatelji pojedinih Bonellijevih serijala.
chillaxe, tema je cisto zezanje  bilo bi, u najmanju ruku, cudno da niko ovde nije svestan stupidnosti i infantilnosti pojedinih (cuj, pojedinih - vecine) stripova  |
Kompletni popis Bonelli stripova u Excelu |
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emirem
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Posted - 11/08/2015 : 22:46:04
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Kliseji³ |
"Kompromisi u kolekcionarstvu su one stvari koje ce ti omoguciti da dozivis starost sa pozamasnom ustedjevinom!" |
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Koresh
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Posted - 11/08/2015 : 23:36:53
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opsada, bezizlazna situacija, Tex i Carson se već lagano spremaju da skupo prodaju kožu, i od ničega stiže konjica i spašava situaciju i tjera bandite/indajance u bijeg. poruka: onda kada nema spasa-UVIJEK stižu plave bluze.
slično kao i odsjaj puške, ogroman klišej je mjesečina u noći. onda kad treba uvijek je tu i uvijek pomaže našim junacima da osvjetli put ili neprijatelje. onda kada ne treba, ili kad se treba šuljati onda ni traga mjesečini. poruka: mjesec je UVIJEK vjerni saveznik naših junaka |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 11/08/2015 : 23:45:20
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Najvažnija poruka je; sreća uvijek prati hrabre, pa sada ti budi kukavica ako imaš muda. |
Sinaitakala Tu'imatamoana 'i Fanakavakilangi Fakafanua |
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VALTER
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Croatia
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 20:53:30
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quote: Originally posted by morski
quote: Originally posted by VALTER
Najviše me živiciraju tzv. fanovi i fanatični izučavatelji pojedinih Bonellijevih serijala.
chillaxe, tema je cisto zezanje  bilo bi, u najmanju ruku, cudno da niko ovde nije svestan stupidnosti i infantilnosti pojedinih (cuj, pojedinih - vecine) stripova 
Nema opušteno dok zagorolozi slobodno vršljaju po forumu. |
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Dwayne_Looney
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Posted - 09/02/2017 : 16:40:18
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Kod duljih serijala je dobro ponekad prodrmati status quo. Inače postanu dosadni jer se početne ideje jednostavno izližu.
Npr. Zagor se okrene alkoholizmu nakon što mu neprijatelji ubiju Chica.
Ovo tek vidim hahah... Bushido na početku bio neki revolucionar ili samo malo podbadao? Pa gdje baš da Chico opandrkne... hajde da si rekao bude ranjen pa se ne pojavi u par idućih pustolovina. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 07/05/2017 : 21:32:20
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Danas opet naletio na legendarni bljesak, pa kako su ti banditi uvijek tako neoprezni kada spremaju zasjedu. 
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Dwayne_Looney
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Posted - 07/05/2017 : 22:23:28
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Sad sam pogledao o kojoj se epizodi radi i pročitao i svoj komentar pa da dodam što mene u Bonelli stripovima, zapravo Zagoru, živcira. A to je kad se odmetnuti, najčešće Indijanci, vrate (ali ono umno vrate) nakon svega nekoliko njegovih riječi. Dosta sam puta o tom pisao u komentarima na recenzije ali ne da mi se sad tražiti, ovako iz prve ću navesti 3 primjera u ne više od 6-7 zadnjih epizoda koja idu u Zagoru extra. Prvo, upravo epizoda s bradatim Indijancima ("Kameni ubojica") i to kako oni spoznaju da Zagor otpočetka nije imao loše namjere; drugo, ona s epskim Pequotom kad ih prosvijetli da su napravili grešku stavši uz Pequota i da prestanu razmišljati o alkoholu. A onda oni kao "Joj, Zagore, oprosti nam što smo bili zaslijepljeni", ovo-ono. I treće, u epizodi s Grayjem ("Alkemičareve žrtve") o kojoj smo nedavno pričali kada Gray zavede neke Mohawke ali naravno nakon što ga Zagor porazi Bog ih prosvijetli pa opet imamo nešto tipa "Zagore, oprosti nam, nismo smjeli posumnjati u tebe i da si nam ti vođa". Takva rješenja se koriste da bi se "presjekla radnja", izbjegle dodatne komplikacije i spriječili počeci nakon kraja. Ne treba nam daljnji sukob Zagora i Mohawka kad Zagor sredi glavnog negativca Graya koji je ove samo iskoristio... jer gdje bi to otišlo? Ovako najbezbolnije rješenje, Indijanci dožive prosvjetljenje uma i happy end.
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 07/05/2017 : 22:39:57
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Barem treba priznati da bradati indijanci nisu nešto što se viđa često, ja sam se iznenadio kako se Toninelli (ili možda Torricelli) toga sjetio. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 07/05/2017 : 22:46:36
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Evo, čak i Texov dvojnik misli da bradati indijanci ne postoje kada je zatražio od svoje bande da se maskira u Navaje. Možda je samo stvar u tome da je Tex realniji strip od Zagora. 
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cat claw
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 01:06:28
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Navodno su Zagor i Ciko u nekoj epizodi onesvestili sami sebe. Da li je to legenda kao ono 'Mirko pazi metak'* ili je stvarno bilo?
*to sa metkom, btw, nikada nije bilo u Mirku i Slavku ali se uvek u drustvu u kome se spomenu Mirko i Slavko nadje gmaz koji uz nadmocan nipodastavajuci smeh izvali tu recenicu  |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 01:29:28
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Naravno da je stvarno bilo, majstor Castelli se sjetio tog bisera da izvuče Zagora i Chica iz nevolje. Još je čudnije što su obje glave drugačije zazvučale nakon udarca. 
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Poli
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 08:58:33
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Danas opet naletio na legendarni bljesak, pa kako su ti banditi uvijek tako neoprezni kada spremaju zasjedu. 
http://oi63.tinypic.com/2dj9xcp.jpg
A jos smijesnije je to, da je bljesak bas usred tame. Ono totalni mrak u tom djelu sume (barem na vinjeti se to tako vidi), nigdje tracka suncavih zraka ... a Zagor vidi bljesak. 
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mogorovic
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 13:51:21
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Obzirom da su vidljive jasne i oštre sjene likova, kao i na deblima drveća, sigurno je da postoji neki izvor svjetla, sunce ili puna mjesečina, nebitno. Dakle, odbljesak je moguć. |
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 13:58:07
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Barem treba priznati da bradati indijanci nisu nešto što se viđa često, ja sam se iznenadio kako se Toninelli (ili možda Torricelli) toga sjetio.
Baš sam tu priču i ja nedavno čitao i ostavio komentar:
quote: Originally posted by Kontrast 2
Kameni ubica
Ocena 7 Na osnovu naslovne strane drugog dela - pomislio sam da se radi o ponovljenoj (vidi: Tajna Kristifora Kolumba) priči o Golemu. Medjutim - ipak je u pitanju varijacija na Dorijana Greja. Nije loše, mada je moglo i bolje (i duže, da se daju neka bitna objašnjenja, malo zakomplikuje radnja, a ne da se troše desetci strana na manje bitne scene). Pažnju mi je privuklo navedeno čudno pleme Vankari. Na prvi pogled - izgledalo je da je Tonineli lupio potpunu besmislicu. Pleme Indijanaca sa brkatim i bradatim (i nalik belcima) pripadnicima, crnokosim i plavokosim(!) uz klasične Indijanske face, plus sa klasičnim indijanskim skvo. Obzirom da autor nije ponudio nikakvo objašnjenje za to (a pljujete Bureta, pljujete)- preostalo mi je samo da sam pokušam da objasnim dotičnu neobičnost. Sem jedne stvari - ovakvo pleme i nije nemoguće. Ako su se nekada davno (ali ne previše davno) tu pojavili neki Vikinzi, onda bi to moglo da objasni belolike bradate i brkate ratnike, pa čak i plavokose (mada je ovo zadnje, zbog protoka vremena, malo prenategnuto). Ona jedna stvar, koja kvari sreću - su klasične indijanske skvo. Svakom ko malo proučava ljude, rase i njihove odlike (a taj sam) poznata je jedna stvar - ženski deo populacije mnogo više čuva odlike svoje rase od muškog dela. Danas (i uvek)je mnogo više plavokosih žena, nego plavokosih muškaraca (mada, zbog potreba uočljivosti različitih likova u stripu - autori o tome ne vode previše računa). Zato je i u plemenu moralo biti plavokosih skvo - ako već još uvek ima i plavokosih ratnika. I to - mnogo više (procentualno) od njih. (kao što malo ko vodi računa o tome - da plavokosi ljudi uvek imaju plave oči; plavooki ne moraju biti plavokosi, ali obrnuto mora)
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 14:01:17
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quote: Originally posted by cat claw
Navodno su Zagor i Ciko u nekoj epizodi onesvestili sami sebe. Da li je to legenda kao ono 'Mirko pazi metak'* ili je stvarno bilo?
*to sa metkom, btw, nikada nije bilo u Mirku i Slavku ali se uvek u drustvu u kome se spomenu Mirko i Slavko nadje gmaz koji uz nadmocan nipodastavajuci smeh izvali tu recenicu 
Meni se čini da je ipak bilo - u svakom slučaju prvi deo da, a ono: "Hvala ti Slavko, spasao si mi život" - to nisam siguran. |
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 14:03:21
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Naravno da je stvarno bilo, majstor Castelli se sjetio tog bisera da izvuče Zagora i Chica iz nevolje. Još je čudnije što su obje glave drugačije zazvučale nakon udarca. 
Jedna od najlošijih priča. Kasteli se ovde baš nije proslavio. |
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cat claw
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 14:57:19
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Meni se čini da je ipak bilo - u svakom slučaju prvi deo da, a ono: "Hvala ti Slavko, spasao si mi život" - to nisam siguran. [/quote]
čuvena rečenica „Mirko, pazi metak“ ne postoji, i nikada nije objavljena u tom stripu. To je Ljubomir Kljakić izmislio u jednom svom članku da bi dezavuisao kvalitet Mirka i Slavka. S jedne strane opravdano, pošto je većina epizoda stvarno bila slabog kvaliteta, ali kao pojava nisu mogli biti zanemeraljivi i imali su veliku ulogu u istoriji našeg stripa.
Ovde se vidi https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%BE#/media/File:Mirko,_pazi_metak.jpg
da nije u pitanju originalna tabla stripa koja nikad nije imala tri slike uspravno, da je tekst upisan Times Romanom velika i mala slova (!!!???) i da je rec ''spasao'' napisana zapadnom varijantom . ''spasio''. Ocigledan falsifikat |
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DODSFERD
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mladjo
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 17:40:14
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Mene najviše ali najviše nervira ono Ja...Ja ne... Pa kaj je to? Tko tak govori? Naravno, vjerojatno je spika da talijani imaju neku uzrečicu ili tak nekaj ali to bi naši trebali nekak drukčje prevoditi. Bio je i poll gdje se pita kaj vas živcira u stripovima i mislim da je to bilo pri vrhu liste :D
Eh da, i ono "Ne mogu pucati mogao bih pogoditi xyz-a" :D |
COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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Dukidule
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Posted - 08/05/2017 : 18:15:01
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quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Mene najviše ali najviše nervira ono Ja...Ja ne... Pa kaj je to? Tko tak govori? Naravno, vjerojatno je spika da talijani imaju neku uzrečicu ili tak nekaj ali to bi naši trebali nekak drukčje prevoditi. Bio je i poll gdje se pita kaj vas živcira u stripovima i mislim da je to bilo pri vrhu liste :D
Eh da, i ono "Ne mogu pucati mogao bih pogoditi xyz-a" :D
Ma sve to mene ne tangira, sve ja to iskuliram i često već nekako automatski previdim. A ukoliko je prijevod jednog izdavača baš u cjelini užasan (kao što to kod Ludensa često zna biti), jednostavno pređem na drugog. Dakle, gotovo ništa mi ne smeta.....osim vječitog trna u oku - loših crteža!!! Kad vidim ovako nešto, naprosto se naježim te me narednih par dana prođe volja i same pomisli na Bonelli!

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Za koga ja navijam samo je moja stvar. A ljubav je jedna, jedina... |
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mladjo
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