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Windwalker
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brni
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 17:25:42
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quote: Originally posted by Windwalker
Ti imaš nekog klinca. Ko da je to bolje.
Klinca koji zna sta je pravi film.. |
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Windwalker
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dosada
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 17:36:02
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ako misliš da znaš kaj je dobar film onda nemoj pljuvat po Kaneu, jednom od vrhunac fimske umjetnosti! Uostalom pitaj Jacksona od koga je učil svoj "zanat"!? Naravno da mu je režiser i scenarist tj. autor Kanea, Orson Welles i više od uzora...pogledaj koji intervju s Jacksonom u kojem spominje svoje uzore/učitelje pa se uvjeri i sam! |
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brni
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 17:39:05
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quote: Originally posted by Windwalker
Znam ja što je pravi film. A kažeš da znaš i ti. I sad oba znamo. Kako to?
A slusaj reci za Gradanina Kanea da je proljev mi je malo degutantno..meni je taj film umjetnost..i ne samo meni vec i vodem filmskim kriticarima..ali ok mlad si, sazrit ces s godinama sta se toga tice..
Ok bija sam pregrub prema Hobitu..prihvacam onu Murdocovu da je samo promasen.. |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 17:39:52
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quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc U krivu si , samo je Hobbita namijenio klincima, LOTR mu je bio vec tezi i namjenjen stvaranju jednog novog drustveno i civilizacijski kriticnog osvrta ispricanog u prenesenom znacenju. Kritika industralizacije, morala i pohlepe. Isto tako jedan totalno fascinantan pokusaj stvaranja jednog paralelnog svijeta sa sopstvenim jezikom..kojim je Tolkien bio opsjednut. Boldano necu komentirati jer je jednostavno smijesno.
Pa naravno da je teži od Hobitta, nitko ne tvrdi suprotno; no isto tako promiče zdrave vrijednosti društva, odanost, ljubav, prijateljstvo, hrabrost. Kritika svega onog što si napomeno ukalupirana u jedan dobri stari obiteljski film epskih proporcija. Tolkien je jedan nevjerojatni pozitivac. Možda da rifrejzam što sam napisao, ne bih volio da mi Gospodare radi Burton, malo mi pretjeruje u zadnje vrijeme sa ekstravagancom - i ne mogu ga zamisliti u Jacksonovoj ulozi. Prije sam ga volio, sad baš i ne. Del Toro mi je odličan, obožavam sve njegove filmove (nemoj misliti da mislim suprotno)... Ti si vodio djecu na Panov Labirint? |
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 17:45:40
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc U krivu si , samo je Hobbita namijenio klincima, LOTR mu je bio vec tezi i namjenjen stvaranju jednog novog drustveno i civilizacijski kriticnog osvrta ispricanog u prenesenom znacenju. Kritika industralizacije, morala i pohlepe. Isto tako jedan totalno fascinantan pokusaj stvaranja jednog paralelnog svijeta sa sopstvenim jezikom..kojim je Tolkien bio opsjednut. Boldano necu komentirati jer je jednostavno smijesno.
Pa naravno da je teži od Hobitta, nitko ne tvrdi suprotno; no isto tako promiče zdrave vrijednosti društva, odanost, ljubav, prijateljstvo, hrabrost. Kritika svega onog što si napomeno ukalupirana u jedan dobri stari obiteljski film epskih proporcija. Tolkien je jedan nevjerojatni pozitivac. Možda da rifrejzam što sam napisao, ne bih volio da mi Gospodare radi Burton, malo mi pretjeruje u zadnje vrijeme sa ekstravagancom - i ne mogu ga zamisliti u Jacksonovoj ulozi. Prije sam ga volio, sad baš i ne. Del Toro mi je odličan, obožavam sve njegove filmove (nemoj misliti da mislim suprotno)... Ti si vodio djecu na Panov Labirint?
Ti si vodio djecu na LOTR? |
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Beren
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 17:53:25
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quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
"ono sto je najgore od svega..osjecaj koji ce se probuditi u vama..osjecaj da je ovo sve radeno sa premalo entuzijazma , ali sa spoznajom da ce zaraditi brdo love."
kratki sažetak cijele stvari.
inače, nisam znao da je Richard Armitage u ovoj stvari.
Citiraš Murdokov doživljaj filma sa kojim se slažeš iako nisi gledao film. Prevazišao si sebe s ovim.
quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
quote: Originally posted by Beren
Ne mora, ali ti to tako kažeš da izgleda kao neka neporeciva istina, a ne mišljenje pojedinca. Nema filma za koji nećeš naći određeni procenat ljudi koji će reći da je precijenjen. Ili što ne voli tu vrstu filmova, ili mu ne odgovara režija, gluma, tempo, ovo, ono... Pojam precijenjen film je precijenjen :-)
to što sam ja rekao je i mišljenje i činjenica.
odnosno, to što ja smatram da je film precijenjen je moje mišljenje, ali - ono što je činjenica - je to da ja ujedno nisam jedini koji misli tako.
Šou 
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
a koje bi po tebi bile zamjerke u filmu?
Pa, možda najveća zamjerka bila bi što osim Thorina i Balina ne možemo reći za ostale patuljke da su nešto posebno profilirani. Mislim, to donekle mogu prihvatiti, jer shvaćam da je dramaturški teško izvedivo, a tome čak ni Tolkien nije baš posvetio previše pažnje u svojoj knjizi.
Doduše, moram priznati da je Jackson u nekim ključnim scenama dobro uhvatio osobnost pojedinih patuljaka.
u tom slučaju bi bilo najbolje da ih jednostavno izbaci iz filma.
Pričaš o nečemu o čemu nemaš pojma jer ne poznaješ Tolkinovo djelo. Ja bi se barem uzdržao komentarisanja. |
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Felagund
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:08:28
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Ja isto ne vidim problem u tome sto je Windwalker nazvao Citizen Kanea losim. Sta sad, film mu se nije svidio i to je ok. Mozda je bio malo grub, ali zasto bi nam se svima morali svidati isti filmovi, to je jednostavno stvar ukusa. Isto tako ljudi dosta hvale Death Proof, pa je MENI film bio smece.
@Darth Ivan Sad bi bilo najbolje da poslusas svoje savjete koje si svima djelio za Draculu. Ljudi nisu citali knjigu i sudili su o filmu bez knjige i bio im je dobar, dok tebi nije jer si ga sudio po knjizi, a sad ti radis istu stvar sa lotr-om. Ja ne mogu gledati film odvojeno od knjige i lotr je jedna jako jako dobra ekranizacija (najveca zamjerka je Frodo koji je u filmu uzasan, a u knjizi nije ni problizno tako jadan). Jednostavno, ono sto si ti drugima govorio za Draculu, reci cu ja tebi: procitaj knjigu(lotr) i vidjet ces da ono sto je u filmu nista nije prazan hod, jer je jos i dosta stvari izbaceno iz knjige, a i sve ono sto imas u filmu je tu da pridonosi atmosferi i bogatstvu svijeta, ako vec ne pridonosi radnji.
Sto se tice Hobbita, naravno da nisu mogli izbaciti ostale patuljke, jesi li normalan, pa svi hardcore fanovi bi od samog pocetka odbili ici gledati film i popljuvali bi ga zbog toga. Kao sto i tebi i meni smeta promjena samog lika Dracule u filmu u odnosu na knjigu, tako bi mi isto (a vjerujem i ostalim fanovima) smetalo kad bi isla samo 2 patuljka u avanturu a ne njih 13, ipak ne mozes samo tako izbaciti toliko likova. |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:08:59
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quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
a koje bi po tebi bile zamjerke u filmu?
Pa, možda najveća zamjerka bila bi što osim Thorina i Balina ne možemo reći za ostale patuljke da su nešto posebno profilirani. Mislim, to donekle mogu prihvatiti, jer shvaćam da je dramaturški teško izvedivo, a tome čak ni Tolkien nije baš posvetio previše pažnje u svojoj knjizi.
Doduše, moram priznati da je Jackson u nekim ključnim scenama dobro uhvatio osobnost pojedinih patuljaka.
u tom slučaju bi bilo najbolje da ih jednostavno izbaci iz filma.
To ne bi imalo smisla. Blago rečeno. |
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Beren
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:17:09
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Ima li što gore nego opisati svoj doživljaj nekog filma jednom riječju: smeće, proliv, govno i slično. Brate, ako ti se nešto ne svidi, a ti to fino obrazloži, reci da ti se nije svidjelo to i to, pa će možda neko i shvatiti ozbiljno to što pišeš. Ovako je samo jadno.
Osvrnuo bih se i na dosadu kao čestu stavku u "ocjenjivanju" kvaliteta nekog filma. To je toliko individualna kategorija da je u ovakvim raspravama (blago je reći) irelevantna. |
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Leonid
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:18:29
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quote: Originally posted by brni
Malo mi je glupo pricati o filmovima s covikom koji na avataru ima Steva Seagala.. 
To što ja imam na avataru Seagala ne znači da nemam pojma o filmovima  Nema potrebe za niskim udarcima  Ja sam se samo osvrnuo na činjenicu da vam je čovjek vraćao milo za drago. Kritizirali ste remek-djelo koje on voli,pa je uzvratio kritikom na remek-djelo koje vi volite...... Kao što su kritičari pohvalili Građanina Kanea,tako su hvalili i Gospodara prstenova.
Darth Ivan kritizira film a nije pročitao knjigu kao i većina drugih koji kritiziraju. Film je usko vezan uz knjigu jer većina dijaloga je prepisana iz knjige ili malo dorađena kako bi film dobio na dramatici. |
"Liston even smells like a bear. I'm gonna give him to the local zoo after I whup him" |
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:25:34
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Procitao Hobbita i LOTR na 3 jezika. Pogledao ih sve u kinima. Doma imam The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition.. Hobbit ..kao film je jedno veliko razocaranje i neko meko s.... |
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dosada
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:28:45
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quote: Originally posted by Leonid Kao što su kritičari pohvalili Građanina Kanea,tako su hvalili i Gospodara prstenova.
ipak nemaš pojma....filmaši cijene Kanea jer se iz njega jako puno nauči o procesu stvaranja filma (kadriranje, montaža i sl. su vrijednosti Kanea). Kasnije se u ga počeli hvaliti i pojedini kritičari, ali oni su ionak u cijeli priči nebitni...jebeš kritičare kao kritičare i njihovo mišljenje! |
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dosada
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Beren
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:31:49
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quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Procitao Hobbita i LOTR na 3 jezika. Pogledao ih sve u kinima. Doma imam The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition.. Hobbit ..kao film je jedno veliko razocaranje i neko meko s....
OK, imaš svoj stav koji si obrazložio, što poštujem, ali treba imati na umu da si vidio samo trećinu priče. Ja se neću zalijetati ni sa hvalospjevima ni sa kritikama iz tog razloga. |
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Leonid
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:34:48
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quote: Originally posted by dosada
quote: Originally posted by Leonid Kao što su kritičari pohvalili Građanina Kanea,tako su hvalili i Gospodara prstenova.
ipak nemaš pojma....filmaši cijene Kanea jer se iz njega jako puno nauči o procesu stvaranja filma(kadriranje, montaža isl. su vrijednosti Kanea). Kasnije se u ga počeli hvaliti i pojedini kritičari, ali oni su ionak u cijeli priči nebitni...jebeš kritičare kao kritičare i njihovo mišljenje!
Molio bih te da mi se ne obraćaš i ne osvrćeš na moje postove....ti si svoje položio ljetos s "Korejancima" i ispravljanjem mojih rečenica a zapravo si ispao nenormalno neodgojen i neobrazovan  |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:38:03
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quote: Originally posted by Beren
Citiraš Murdokov doživljaj filma sa kojim se slažeš iako nisi gledao film. Prevazišao si sebe s ovim.
niti se slažem, niti se ne slažem. sa bilo kojim od vas koji komentirate film. samo sam naveo ono što je on rekao.
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:40:20
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quote: Originally posted by Beren
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Procitao Hobbita i LOTR na 3 jezika. Pogledao ih sve u kinima. Doma imam The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition.. Hobbit ..kao film je jedno veliko razocaranje i neko meko s....
OK, imaš svoj stav koji si obrazložio, što poštujem, ali treba imati na umu da si vidio samo trećinu priče. Ja se neću zalijetati ni sa hvalospjevima ni sa kritikama iz tog razloga.
Ne bi se ni ja zalijetao sa izjavama tipa..nastavak ce biti bolji od prvjenca.. U povijesti filma..Kum..x-man...hmmmm..tankooo |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:40:32
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
To ne bi imalo smisla. Blago rečeno.
onda je za nadati se da će dobit više prostora u idućim filmovima. |
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Beren
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:41:10
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quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
quote: Originally posted by Beren
Citiraš Murdokov doživljaj filma sa kojim se slažeš iako nisi gledao film. Prevazišao si sebe s ovim.
niti se slažem, niti se ne slažem. sa bilo kojim od vas koji komentirate film. samo sam naveo ono što je on rekao.
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dosada
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:42:05
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quote: Originally posted by Leonid
quote: Originally posted by dosada
quote: Originally posted by Leonid Kao što su kritičari pohvalili Građanina Kanea,tako su hvalili i Gospodara prstenova.
ipak nemaš pojma....filmaši cijene Kanea jer se iz njega jako puno nauči o procesu stvaranja filma(kadriranje, montaža isl. su vrijednosti Kanea). Kasnije se u ga počeli hvaliti i pojedini kritičari, ali oni su ionak u cijeli priči nebitni...jebeš kritičare kao kritičare i njihovo mišljenje!
Molio bih te da mi se ne obraćaš i ne osvrćeš na moje postove....ti si svoje položio ljetos s "Korejancima" i ispravljanjem mojih rečenica a zapravo si ispao nenormalno neodgojen i neobrazovan 
obračam se svima a ne tebi......raspravljam s napisanim tekstom a ne osobom, jer ovo je virtualni svijet!
Zato odi cvili negdje gdje te uvažavaju  |
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Beren
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:42:25
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quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
quote: Originally posted by Beren
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Procitao Hobbita i LOTR na 3 jezika. Pogledao ih sve u kinima. Doma imam The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition.. Hobbit ..kao film je jedno veliko razocaranje i neko meko s....
OK, imaš svoj stav koji si obrazložio, što poštujem, ali treba imati na umu da si vidio samo trećinu priče. Ja se neću zalijetati ni sa hvalospjevima ni sa kritikama iz tog razloga.
Ne bi se ni ja zalijetao sa izjavama tipa..nastavak ce biti bolji od prvjenca.. U povijesti filma..Kum..x-man...hmmmm..tankooo
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dosada
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Leonid
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Posted - 18/12/2012 : 18:45:27
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Ako se obraćaš svima onda nemoj citirati moj post.......već sam ti rekao nisi pametan koliko misliš. Ja bih se nakon "Korejanaca" pokrio ušima te iz pristojnosti prema osobi ne bi više citirao njegove rečenice.
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