Author |
Topic  |
mr murdoc
Advanced Member
    

Switzerland
14557 Posts
Member since 02/01/2006 |
Posted - 13/08/2012 : 19:22:59
|
A sto vam ja cijelo vrijeme govorim. Filmsko razocaranje godine..za fanove blockbustera.
|
“To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.”? Oscar Wilde |
 |
|
Billy_the_Kid
Senior Member
   
.jpg)
1519 Posts
Member since 02/06/2005 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 11:22:34
|
oke pogledao napokon, i odmah u startu 9/10
Citam po Nolanu prvi film je imao temu ''Strah'' drugi ''Kaos'' dok je treci ''Bol''  Po meni remek djelo, osjeti se jako tema Dark knight returns, a ima tu i malo No mans Land
Cini mi se da jako puno forumasa uopste ne cita Batman stripove a prica o njima, Burton jest snimio umjetnicke filmove i hvalio se da nije procitao ni jedan strip sto je bilo ocito, Nolan je postigao nezamislivo, uspjesno uklopiti teme stripa u realno okruzenje. Svi likovi od pozitivaca i negativaca su odlicno uradjeni, ukljucujuci i Robina koji me pojavom i ponasanjem ipak vise podsjeca na Tim Drake-a
moja preporuka, podignite koji strip pa ce film poprimiti novu dimenziju |
Seeing things differently can open new paths. |
 |
|
Krscho
Junior Member
 

Croatia
380 Posts
Member since 19/06/2011 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 12:08:59
|
Sta se tice robina ima karaktersitike sva tri robina, siroce kao Grayson, detektiv kao Drake i malo agresivniji, bad guy attidu na momente kao jason todd time je to omaž sva tri robina napravio nolan ) |
 |
|
King Warrior
stripovi.com suradnik
    

22339 Posts
Member since 10/11/2007 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 12:18:59
|
quote: Originally posted by Krscho
Sta se tice robina ima karaktersitike sva tri robina, siroce kao Grayson, detektiv kao Drake i malo agresivniji, bad guy attidu na momente kao jason todd time je to omaž sva tri robina napravio nolan )
bad guy look??? Joseph Gordon-Levitt??? Meni izgleda kao tip od 40 godina koji je ostao zarobljen u tijelu tinejdzera. |
 |
|
maddox031
Senior Member
   
Croatia
1941 Posts
Member since 23/09/2011 |
|
Lord Vader89
stripovi.com suradnik
    

France
9618 Posts
Member since 05/07/2007 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 12:27:23
|
quote: Originally posted by Billy_the_Kid
Cini mi se da jako puno forumasa uopste ne cita Batman stripove a prica o njima, Burton jest snimio umjetnicke filmove i hvalio se da nije procitao ni jedan strip sto je bilo ocito, Nolan je postigao nezamislivo, uspjesno uklopiti teme stripa u realno okruzenje. Svi likovi od pozitivaca i negativaca su odlicno uradjeni, ukljucujuci i Robina koji me pojavom i ponasanjem ipak vise podsjeca na Tim Drake-a
moja preporuka, podignite koji strip pa ce film poprimiti novu dimenziju
indeed :D |
Potpis u dva reda, prema pravilniku: Vader je, kao i uvek, u pravu. ; john connor ; 2022 A.D. |
 |
|
mr murdoc
Advanced Member
    

Switzerland
14557 Posts
Member since 02/01/2006 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 13:55:36
|
quote: Originally posted by Billy_the_Kid
oke pogledao napokon, i odmah u startu 9/10
Citam po Nolanu prvi film je imao temu ''Strah'' drugi ''Kaos'' dok je treci ''Bol''  Po meni remek djelo, osjeti se jako tema Dark knight returns, a ima tu i malo No mans Land
Cini mi se da jako puno forumasa uopste ne cita Batman stripove a prica o njima, Burton jest snimio umjetnicke filmove i hvalio se da nije procitao ni jedan strip sto je bilo ocito, Nolan je postigao nezamislivo, uspjesno uklopiti teme stripa u realno okruzenje. Svi likovi od pozitivaca i negativaca su odlicno uradjeni, ukljucujuci i Robina koji me pojavom i ponasanjem ipak vise podsjeca na Tim Drake-a
moja preporuka, podignite koji strip pa ce film poprimiti novu dimenziju
Batmana citam i kupujem vec 20 godina i posjedujem kolekciju na tri jezika.. |
“To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.”? Oscar Wilde |
 |
|
mr murdoc
Advanced Member
    

Switzerland
14557 Posts
Member since 02/01/2006 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 13:56:11
|
quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by Krscho
Sta se tice robina ima karaktersitike sva tri robina, siroce kao Grayson, detektiv kao Drake i malo agresivniji, bad guy attidu na momente kao jason todd time je to omaž sva tri robina napravio nolan )
bad guy look??? Joseph Gordon-Levitt??? Meni izgleda kao tip od 40 godina koji je ostao zarobljen u tijelu tinejdzera.
  |
“To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.”? Oscar Wilde |
 |
|
Billy_the_Kid
Senior Member
   
.jpg)
1519 Posts
Member since 02/06/2005 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:04:27
|
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Batmana citam i kupujem vec 20 godina i posjedujem kolekciju na tri jezika.. [/quote]
nisam na tebe ni mislio, nego kad sam procitao od nekog da catwoman ne bi trebala znati otvoriti sef i sl gluposti morao sam to napisati
sto se tice tvog vidjenja filma ne slazem se oko 2 stvari... ovaj film nece biti zaboravljen, od Schumacherovih filmova je proslo otprilike 17 godina i idalje se aktivno prica o njima sa svakim novim Batmanovim filmom koji izadje... i svaki slj reboot ljudi ce spominjati sve Nolanove Batmane... ovi filmovi ne umiru  sto se tice izgleda gothama priznajem da je u ovom dijelu malo svijetliji nego inace al opet ovo je Nolan ne Burton
|
Seeing things differently can open new paths. |
 |
|
Billy_the_Kid
Senior Member
   
.jpg)
1519 Posts
Member since 02/06/2005 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:06:44
|
quote: Originally posted by Krscho
Sta se tice robina ima karaktersitike sva tri robina, siroce kao Grayson, detektiv kao Drake i malo agresivniji, bad guy attidu na momente kao jason todd time je to omaž sva tri robina napravio nolan )
oke onda Grayson/Drake omaz slazem se... al vjeruj mi nema nista od Jasona  |
Seeing things differently can open new paths. |
 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:22:42
|
quote: Originally posted by Davor2403
Što ti je reći kako se ukusi razlikuju, meni je ono što je Burton snimao djetinjasto i previše, i sve ovo što si ti napisao da ti ne valja meni je zbog toga Batman postao možda i najbolji stripovski film (iako mi nije medju najdražima nikad bio), za mene je Nolan bog i batina jer je uspio napraviti film koji je pa gotovo realan, i ne želim u batmanu bajkovitost, ne želim Catwoman koja skače poput mačke sa zgrade na zgradu, ne želim da Gotham izgleda kao neki kineski grad iz 2200-e godine... Ne znam, možda vama koji ste čitali batman stripove ovi filmovi i nisu toliko vjerni, ali za mene koji nisam nikad pročitao ni jedan broj batmana, i do Nolana su mi batmanovi filmovi bili smijurija ovo mi je revolucija, genijalna akcijska trilogija sa odličnim glumcima i odlično odrađeno, a Bane mi je prejak lik, da se čovjek naježi... 
Ne kaže se bez veze da se o ukusima ne raspravlja 
Po meni strip junak treba takav i ostati, ne vidim zašto od njega raditi nešto što nije i ubaciti ga u nekakav "pravi" svijet? Već imamo spidermana, supermana... svi oni skaču i lete po pravim gradovima i kreću se među pravim ljudima. Batman je tu bio drugačiji, ali sad više nije. Sad ide na burzu, kupuje dionice... Ok tebi se to sviđa, svaka čast.
Meni su i dalje Sin City i Batman Returns među top 5 strip adaptacija. |
 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:27:17
|
quote: Originally posted by maddox031
a nije li catwoman i bila pljackasica sefova u pocetku :)
Da u stripu, referirao sam se na film. Ali ok, moguće da sam se krivo izrazio :)
U svakom slučaju njen lik je u zadnjem batmanu loše razrađen. |
 |
|
Billy_the_Kid
Senior Member
   
.jpg)
1519 Posts
Member since 02/06/2005 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:42:29
|
quote: Originally posted by Billy_the_Kid
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Batmana citam i kupujem vec 20 godina i posjedujem kolekciju na tri jezika..
nisam na tebe ni mislio, nego kad sam procitao od nekog da catwoman ne bi trebala znati otvoriti sef i sl gluposti morao sam to napisati
sto se tice tvog vidjenja filma ne slazem se oko 2 stvari... ovaj film nece biti zaboravljen, od Schumacherovih filmova je proslo otprilike 17 godina i idalje se aktivno prica o njima sa svakim novim Batmanovim filmom koji izadje... i svaki slj reboot ljudi ce spominjati sve Nolanove Batmane... ovi filmovi ne umiru  sto se tice izgleda gothama priznajem da je u ovom dijelu malo svijetliji nego inace al opet ovo je Nolan ne Burton
Pretpostavljam da misliš na mene, vezano za catwoman, odi još jednom pročitaj što sam napisao...
blockbuster prozvati remek djelom, jako teško. Remek djelo treba puno više od ovoga što nam Nolan može ponuditi. On je pokazao da može složiti jako dobru akciju/triler, ali NIKADA on neće napraviti remek djelo jer jednostavno ne radi tip filma koji bi zadovoljio kriterije za remek djelo. Nadam se samo da se neće pretvoriti u Schumachera i početi raditi imbecilne blockbustere čija je jedina svrha preseravanje specijalnim efektima.
Izgleda da je većini ok što film čiji je glavni junak Batman/Dark Knight/čovjek šišmiš sadrži preko 80% dnevnih scena. ?? To je ta realnost na koju se pozivate? :)
Ranije sam zaboravio, moja ocjena filma je 6.7/10 Prethodnom bi dao 7.2/10. |
Edited by - stripofil on 14/08/2012 16:46:51 |
 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:45:35
|
quote: Originally posted by Billy_the_Kid
zbog cega? mozes bar napisati?
Možeš li molim te quotati na što točno misliš, jer nisam siguran, napisao sam odjednom više postova :) |
 |
|
acestroke
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
11652 Posts
Member since 16/04/2009 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:52:55
|
Najveca razlika izmedju Burtonovog i Nolanovog Batmana je to sto je Burtonov cilj bio da vizualno stvori onaj comic book world na ekranu, a razvoj likova i njihova psiha mu uopste nisu padali na pamet. Zato su mu skoro svi likovi nedostajali ikakve dubine i dimenzionalnosti.
Nolan se potrudio da udje u psihu Bruce Wayna/Batmana, i da od njega stvori pravog covjeka, s kojim bi publika mogla da identificira. Njegov Bruce zivi u strahu, cesto sumnja u svoje sposobnosti, i svjestan je pozitivnih stvari koje Batmanovo postojanje je donijelo, a onda polako postaje svjestan i negativnosti i opasnosti koje dolaze s ovim njegovim 'poslom'.
Sada, nekima je ovdje vizualni Batmanov svijet vazniji, a nekima je razvoj likova. Ja spadam u ovu drugu grupu, i naravno svako ko misli obrnuto ce da preferira Burtonove filmove. |
http://www.acestroke.blogspot.com |
 |
|
swamp thing
Advanced Member
    
.jpg)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
4078 Posts
Member since 05/08/2009 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:56:11
|
quote: Originally posted by stripofil
quote: Originally posted by Billy_the_Kid
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Batmana citam i kupujem vec 20 godina i posjedujem kolekciju na tri jezika..
nisam na tebe ni mislio, nego kad sam procitao od nekog da catwoman ne bi trebala znati otvoriti sef i sl gluposti morao sam to napisati
sto se tice tvog vidjenja filma ne slazem se oko 2 stvari... ovaj film nece biti zaboravljen, od Schumacherovih filmova je proslo otprilike 17 godina i idalje se aktivno prica o njima sa svakim novim Batmanovim filmom koji izadje... i svaki slj reboot ljudi ce spominjati sve Nolanove Batmane... ovi filmovi ne umiru  sto se tice izgleda gothama priznajem da je u ovom dijelu malo svijetliji nego inace al opet ovo je Nolan ne Burton
Pretpostavljam da misliš na mene, vezano za catwoman, odi još jednom pročitaj što sam napisao...
blockbuster prozvati remek djelom, jako teško. Remek djelo treba puno više od ovoga što nam Nolan može ponuditi. On je pokazao da može složiti jako dobru akciju/triler, ali NIKADA on neće napraviti remek djelo jer jednostavno ne radi tip filma koji bi zadovoljio kriterije za remek djelo. Nadam se samo da se neće pretvoriti u Schumachera i početi raditi imbecilne blockbustere čija je jedina svrha preseravanje specijalnim efektima.
Izgleda da je većini ok što film čiji je glavni junak Batman/Dark Knight/čovjek šišmiš sadrži preko 80% dnevnih scena. ?? To je ta realnost na koju se pozivate? :)
Ranije sam zaboravio, moja ocjena filma je 6.7/10 Prethodnom bi dao 7.2/10.
Po meni je 'Memento' remek djelo. I ostali filmovi su mu odlični, ali ovaj nema mane. |
 |
|
acestroke
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
11652 Posts
Member since 16/04/2009 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:57:08
|
quote: Originally posted by stripofil
blockbuster prozvati remek djelom, jako teško. Remek djelo treba puno više od ovoga što nam Nolan može ponuditi. On je pokazao da može složiti jako dobru akciju/triler, ali NIKADA on neće napraviti remek djelo jer jednostavno ne radi tip filma koji bi zadovoljio kriterije za remek djelo.
Vidis, tebi ako "The Dark Knight" (2008) nije remek djelo od akcionog i superherojskog filma, onda jednostavno ne znam sta smatras da pripada u tu kategoriju. Jedan od rijetkih flmova koji se moze zvati blockbuster i remek djelo, i mislim da je misljenje vecine o njemu vec jasno.
 |
http://www.acestroke.blogspot.com |
 |
|
Darth Ivan
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
7978 Posts
Member since 21/03/2010 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:57:47
|
quote: Originally posted by acestroke
Najveca razlika izmedju Burtonovog i Nolanovog Batmana je to sto je Burtonov cilj bio da vizualno stvori onaj comic book world na ekranu, a razvoj likova i njihova psiha mu uopste nisu padali na pamet. Zato su mu skoro svi likovi nedostajali ikakve dubine i dimenzionalnosti.
ako mene pitaš, Burtonovi Batmani nemaju baš neke veze sa stripom. za mene je službena definicija tih filmova ova: burtonizacija.
što se razvoja likova tiče, ne možeš reći da toga u Burtonovim filmovima nema. ima, ali ali u manjem omjeru (puno) nego kod Nolana, jer to nije bio Burtonov glavni fokus. |
"Nothing lasts forever." |
 |
|
acestroke
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
11652 Posts
Member since 16/04/2009 |
|
acestroke
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
11652 Posts
Member since 16/04/2009 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 16:59:46
|
quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
što se razvoja likova tiče, ne možeš reći da toga u Burtonovim filmovima nema. ima, ali ali u manjem omjeru (puno) nego kod Nolana, jer to nije bio Burtonov glavni fokus.
Naravno, ovo sam upravo i objasnio u gornjem postu. Je'l ti ovo ovdje mene citiras, ili sta?
   |
http://www.acestroke.blogspot.com |
 |
|
swamp thing
Advanced Member
    
.jpg)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
4078 Posts
Member since 05/08/2009 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 17:00:25
|
Ma, i meni je 'The Dark Knight' fantastičan, ali opet neki koji se ne lože na tu herojštinu i akciju mogu da seruckaju po njemu, za 'Memento' mogu samo da se poklope ušima :D |
 |
|
Zagor12
Advanced Member
    
 - kopija.jpg)
Croatia
6763 Posts
Member since 23/08/2010 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 17:00:31
|
quote: Originally posted by acestroke
Najveca razlika izmedju Burtonovog i Nolanovog Batmana je to sto je Burtonov cilj bio da vizualno stvori onaj comic book world na ekranu, a razvoj likova i njihova psiha mu uopste nisu padali na pamet. Zato su mu skoro svi likovi nedostajali ikakve dubine i dimenzionalnosti.
Nolan se potrudio da udje u psihu Bruce Wayna/Batmana, i da od njega stvori pravog covjeka, s kojim bi publika mogla da identificira. Njegov Bruce zivi u strahu, cesto sumnja u svoje sposobnosti, i svjestan je pozitivnih stvari koje Batmanovo postojanje je donijelo, a onda polako postaje svjestan i negativnosti i opasnosti koje dolaze s ovim njegovim 'poslom'.
Čovjek vam je sve rekao. Točka. |
Z12 je sada Golub, ali sajt je ostao isti: http://superheroji.com.hr/ - Najnovije iz svijeta superheroja
|
 |
|
Darth Ivan
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
7978 Posts
Member since 21/03/2010 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 17:08:18
|
quote: Originally posted by acestroke
Naravno, ovo sam upravo i objasnio u gornjem postu. Je'l ti ovo ovdje mene citiras, ili sta?
  
ne, ti si rekao da je Burton prvenstveno pokušao dočarati stil stripa na ekranu, ali da mu razvoj likova i psiha uopće nisu padali na pamet.
to ti je isto kao da si rekao da razvoj likova u tom filmu ne postoji. |
"Nothing lasts forever." |
 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 14/08/2012 : 17:09:42
|
quote: Originally posted by acestroke
Najveca razlika izmedju Burtonovog i Nolanovog Batmana je to sto je Burtonov cilj bio da vizualno stvori onaj comic book world na ekranu, a razvoj likova i njihova psiha mu uopste nisu padali na pamet. Zato su mu skoro svi likovi nedostajali ikakve dubine i dimenzionalnosti.
Nolan se potrudio da udje u psihu Bruce Wayna/Batmana, i da od njega stvori pravog covjeka, s kojim bi publika mogla da identificira. Njegov Bruce zivi u strahu, cesto sumnja u svoje sposobnosti, i svjestan je pozitivnih stvari koje Batmanovo postojanje je donijelo, a onda polako postaje svjestan i negativnosti i opasnosti koje dolaze s ovim njegovim 'poslom'.
Sada, nekima je ovdje vizualni Batmanov svijet vazniji, a nekima je razvoj likova. Ja spadam u ovu drugu grupu, i naravno svako ko misli obrnuto ce da preferira Burtonove filmove.
Slažem se manje više sa svim što si napisao.
Uz napomenu da nije baš točno da je Burton napravio jednodimenzionalne likove. Npr. njegov joker mi je bolji od Nolanovog, catwoman isto tako, Max Shreck... Nolan je najviše i rekao bih jedino detaljno razradio lik samog Batmana, svi ostali likovi su mu sporedni i poprilično površni.
Burtonov batman je stripovski junak, Nolanov je bliži realnosti, posjeduje manje više sve ljudske osobine i karakteristike.
I to je dio koji se meni ne sviđa :) Zašto? Zato što kad gledam film poput Batmana želim da me ubaci u svoj svijet i makne iz naše stvarnosti. Nolanov Batman to ne postiže, što više zadržava me u našoj svakodnevnici i pokušava poslati nekakvu političku poruku. E to mi ne treba, ja se želim na 2:30h katapultirati u Gotham City, izmišljeni grad pun izmišljenih likova  |
 |
|
Topic  |
|