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Posted - 04/07/2024 : 19:58:33
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ne znam ni ovo koliko je narativna umetnost, ali sviđa mi se ova podela na slike i kaiševe, plus ovo što liči na oblačiće
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Posted - 05/07/2024 : 01:13:13
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quote: Originally posted by Vlaadisha
haha evo izvor (nature): quote: The use of composed scenes in cave art may have enhanced the communicative potential of this visual medium. In contrast to single-figure depictions, the agency of the juxtaposed figures constituting a narrative scene allows a story to be told through images in a manner that does not require the producer of the art to be present to convey the narrative to an audience. Scene-making has therefore been linked to an increase in the potential for images that persisted on rock surfaces to transmit particular narratives (such as myths) over long periods of time, especially when combined with oral traditions. [...] This implies that a rich culture of storytelling developed at an early period in the long history of H. sapiens in this region — in particular, the use of scenic representation to tell visual stories about human–animal relationships.
razumem šta hoće da kaže, ali zvuči kao neko ko nije video sliku u životu ili nedajbože nacrtao nešto.
Točno tako. Evo dva stripa iz nešto kasnije stilske faze ove narativne vrste. Dosad se takva ostvarenja trpalo pod posve neadekvatne nazivnike "portreta" ili "žanr-scena", ali autori članka objavljenog u Nature (Nature, čovječe!!!!) uvjerljivo su pokazali kako je zapravo riječ o narativnim djelima pa ih možemo dodati na ovu temu:
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nije mu loša ova svinja. podseća na bloodstara ![](icon_smile_cool.gif)
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culture vulture
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Posted - 14/07/2024 : 16:46:14
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Bavarsko svetište Naše Gospe od Altöttinga posebno je po tome što se ex voto darovi pojavljuju u obliku sličica koje prikazuju situaciju u kojoj je pomoć dobivena (i/ili sretan kraj).
![](https://i.imgur.com/gQ7OzAD.png)
Svega se tu nađe - od pobjede nad vukodlakom (ili sretnog ponovnog susreta s omiljenim vukodlakom, teško je reči)
![](https://i.imgur.com/skQEI79.png)
preko... a žetve nekakve, valjda
![](https://i.imgur.com/Q9Jtg2c.png)
nekakve drame u šumi
![](https://i.imgur.com/kkxJbRd.png)
i drame u kući
![](https://i.imgur.com/p7Qg2rX.png)
do modernijih scena, poput ledene kugle pale s aviona
![](https://i.imgur.com/Hf5tJuO.png)
ratnih strahota i zarobljeništva
![](https://i.imgur.com/KYqdTkM.png)
![](https://i.imgur.com/p9UaS1Z.png)
i koronavirusa
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U jednom sretnijem i manje ciničnom dobu (1974.), djeca čitaju stripove (i razumijevaju puno više nego ja danas):
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Posted - 14/07/2024 : 19:13:54
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sorry, mislio sam da ima opis u linku. isto ex voto:
quote: Artist Unknown (lifespan c. 1730 - c. 1790)
Title Battle of Guararapes (ex-voto)
Description Religious painting depicting the scene of the Battle of Guararapes. In the foreground, in the lower right corner, a little angel supporting a baroque frame with his right hand and pointing to the inscriptions, in white paint with a dark background, with his left hand. In the upper left corner, image of Our Lady with Baby Jesus observing the battle.
The Battle of Guararapes was fought in two clashes between the Dutch army and the defenders of the Portuguese Empire at Morro dos Guararapes, current municipality of Jaboatão dos Guararapes, located in the Metropolitan Region of Recife, in Pernambuco, Brazil. The first confrontation was on April 18 and 19, 1648, and the second and decisive one was on February 19, 1649. It marked the end of the Dutch presence in Brazil, in the 17th century.
Date 1758 Medium oil on canvas Dimensions height: 151 cm (59.4 in); width: 245 cm (96.4 in)
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culture vulture
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Posted - 14/07/2024 : 19:28:04
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Ma ne ta portugalska slika, nego ovaj niz španjolskih. Odakle je to? |
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USA
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Posted - 14/07/2024 : 19:42:51
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quote: Originally posted by culture vulture
Ma ne ta portugalska slika, nego ovaj niz španjolskih. Odakle je to?
google image search "ex voto" ![](icon_smile_tongue.gif) |
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Posted - 14/07/2024 : 22:06:15
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Koliko uspijevam pročitati te švrljotine, ipak jesu parodije. Ali se naslanjaju na jako zanimljivu tradiciju, o kojoj do nedavno nisam puno znao.
Ova talijanska mi je super, jer me podsjeća na The Gashleycrumb Tinies Edwarda Goreyja:
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Posted - 18/07/2024 : 21:11:14
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quote: Originally posted by Vlaadisha
spada ovde i ono što ne spada, o tome je topic ![](icon_smile_big.gif)
Po meni, ako literatura može biti sve od pjesme od samo jedne riječi do romana-rijeke, onda ni ikonaturu nema smisla svoditi na "strip", nego ona obuhvaća sve instance gdje su bar dvije slike ili jedna slika i jedna riječ povezane u bilo kakav slijed. Ovdje imamo slijed vladara od 12. do 20. stoljeca, dakle, imamo slijed, dakle - spada itekako! Hvala! |
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Posted - 18/07/2024 : 21:57:02
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quote: Originally posted by culture vulture
quote: Originally posted by Vlaadisha
spada ovde i ono što ne spada, o tome je topic ![](icon_smile_big.gif)
Po meni, ako literatura može biti sve od pjesme od samo jedne riječi do romana-rijeke, onda ni ikonaturu nema smisla svoditi na "strip", nego ona obuhvaća sve instance gdje su bar dvije slike ili jedna slika i jedna riječ povezane u bilo kakav slijed. Ovdje imamo slijed vladara od 12. do 20. stoljeca, dakle, imamo slijed, dakle - spada itekako! Hvala!
naravno.
moj post nije bio upućen peyu nego svima koji prate iz prikrajka ali ne učestvuju u strahu da će promašiti temu. uostalom, topic je počeo kao interna šala, sa primerom u prvom postu, "videh broj pet u zlatu". ko nije upoznat sa slikom, prikazana su vatrogasna kola sa brojem 5 koja se udaljavaju od posmatrača. znači, imamo naraciju i to je "slika koja se može čitati". u drugim primerima imamo tekst, možda čak i oblačiće, ponekad niz slika, ali uvek tražimo ono što je jedan autor nazvao "umjetnost slijeda". jasno, ništa od ovoga nisu stripovi o kakvima pričamo u ostatku foruma. no, zanimljivo je pratiti formu koja je starija i od prvih protostripova, možda čak i 50000 godina starija, ili barem tako piše nature. ![](icon_smile_big.gif)
kod peyovog primera meni je interesantan i format; da bismo videli sve ove alfa mužjake kroz stoleća, moramo ili skrolati (onlajn) ili hodati (uživo). tako da ne samo da je odličan primer za strip, nego i za film. ![](icon_smile_clown.gif) |
Edited by - Vlaadisha on 19/07/2024 05:21:36 |
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Posted - 18/07/2024 : 23:41:21
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Šta je tajni sastojak? Kao klinac sam Denisa automatski svrstavao u strip, dok mi je Sneško Raymonda Briggsa ostao slikovnica.
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Posted - 19/07/2024 : 08:30:05
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S izložbe trenutno u Norman Rockwell Museum (https://www.nrm.org/2023/11/mad)
Richard Williams parodira poznatu sliku Normana Rockwella (Triple Self-Portrait, 1960., objavljeno na naslovnici The Saturday Evening Post)
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Posted - 19/07/2024 : 10:54:47
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Je, za naslovnicu te knjige je ilustracija i napravljena! |
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Posted - 21/07/2024 : 03:02:48
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narodna radinost iz indije, uglavnom mitološki narativi. duga tradicija je opstala do danas, pa mi se čini da se ovaj treći primer bavi kovidom. upada u oči ova kapcija na savremenom engleskom.
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Posted - 21/07/2024 : 03:09:32
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priča o kraljici od sabe, autor janbaru wandemu (etiopija, oko 1950) rešetka 4x11, a ne ko onaj amater gibbons sa 3x3
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Posted - 21/07/2024 : 03:19:35
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gornji kaiševi pričaju priču o kupidonu i psihi, donji o artemidi. nepovezano? ko oni dodaci u zs i lms takođe, doria komoda (oslikao lorenzo de ferrari 1737) može da posluži i kao skladište za vaše zs i lms
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