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stinky
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 21:40:29
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bio sam ono pisao jedan osvrt na Bosellijeve Ubojice. i prebrojio sam mrtve. ne sjećam se sad cifre, ali u Morskoj stravi je ogromna, nedostižna cifra. a tu negdje je i u Ubojicama, s tim što se tamo tamane ljudi-zlikovci.
kruger se zabunio. |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 21:42:34
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quote: Originally posted by stinky
bio sam ono pisao jedan osvrt na Bosellijeve Ubojice. i prebrojio sam mrtve. ne sjećam se sad cifre, ali u Morskoj stravi je ogromna, nedostižna cifra. a tu negdje je i u Ubojicama, s tim što se tamo tamane ljudi-zlikovci.
kruger se zabunio.
Možda Krugera takva vrsta akcije ne zanima (masovke, puno likova, puno mrtvih...) već Zagor sam protiv svih. |
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stinky
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Kruger
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 21:47:06
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Ne znam možda je tako kako ti Zoro veliš, iskreno nisam razmišljao o tome. Meni je kod Buratinija radnja puno brža, tečnija, pa i jednostavnija. Kod Boselija puno nekih monologa, što ukoči radnju. |
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solar
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nagor
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 21:52:03
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quote: Originally posted by Kruger
Ne znam možda je tako kako ti Zoro veliš, iskreno nisam razmišljao o tome. Meni je kod Buratinija radnja puno brža, tečnija, pa i jednostavnija. Kod Boselija puno nekih monologa, što ukoči radnju.
Kruger, ti bi morao biti profesionalni kušač vina. Tu te vidim. To je profesija za tebe. Ni oni ne znaju što pričaju.  |
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Kruger
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 21:52:45
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quote: Originally posted by solar
Svašta. Isprva sam mislio da Kruger trola, ali čini se da je zaista ozbiljan.
Pa da, svaštara ponekad može poslužiti za manje obavezan razgovor.
Možeš li mi pomoći da nađem topic o Ken Parkeru, tražio ga i ne mogu ga naći. |
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Kruger
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 21:55:31
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
quote: Originally posted by Kruger
Ne znam možda je tako kako ti Zoro veliš, iskreno nisam razmišljao o tome. Meni je kod Buratinija radnja puno brža, tečnija, pa i jednostavnija. Kod Boselija puno nekih monologa, što ukoči radnju.
Kruger, ti bi morao biti profesionalni kušač vina. Tu te vidim. To je profesija za tebe. Ni oni ne znaju što pričaju. 
A da ako imam drugačije mišljenje odmah ne znam što pričam. Primijetio sam već u ovim rasprava da možemo na istu stvar gledati drugačije. Napr netko misle da je radnja kod Boselija brža, a kod Buratinija sporija, a ja to vidim obrnuto, ne možemo se složiti. |
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nagor
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 22:12:31
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Kad ne bi pisalo ime scenarista na početku svake priče i ti bi realno vidio koje su priče najbolje. Ti vidiš ime scenarista i odmah ti je "sve jasno".
Taj problem imaju i kušači vina... oni vide crveno vino i počnu dijeliti superlative uobičajene za crveno vino. Floskule. |
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Giuda Ballerino
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 22:39:27
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a shvacam sto Kruger govori i ima pravo. Boselli je genijalac, prepametna i intelektualno superiorna osoba u odnosu na sve u Bonelliju i uz to stara garda iz drugih vremena. Svoje ogromno znanje prenosi u svojim radovima i uz puno sporednih likova koji svak ima svoju pricu i nekoliko likova koji prepricavaju povijest/proslost, obicaje, puno pojmova njihovih znacenja, etimologije, svacega dolazi do strasnog zasicenja. Ali kad je prica dobra, a uglavnom jest, onda to znanje obogacuje pricu i imamo dojam da smo citali nesto veliko i legendarno. Stvar je da za citanje treba biti koncentriran, neometan i slobodan. U suprotnom je veliko mucenje, nije za laku zabavu. Ovo pisem vise iz Dampyrovog kuta koji ni nagi ni solar ne citaju, ali donekle vrijedi i za Zagora. |
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Kruger
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 22:40:15
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Nije tako, primijetio bih razliku. Kao što sam odmah primijetio da osim Ferija ima i Vernija, nisam skužio za Sedodija, nisam isprva vidio ovaj topic, pa me na kiosku iznenadio ovaj broj. |
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nagor
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 22:46:48
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Evo, gujda samo za tvoju informaciju, pročitao sam prvih 13 brojeva Dampyra i iskreno očekivao sam više od serijala odnosno od Bosellija. Više ovoga što si napisao gore. Osim praških epizoda nema tu neke dubine. Dampyr je akcijski horor. Očekivao sam inteligentan mystery horor. Vjerujem da će se kasnije razmahati, ali za sad mi je Boselli puno jači na Zagoru... vjerojatno zbog toga što su mu tu priče duže ima dovoljna prostora za razmahati se. |
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Giuda Ballerino
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 22:58:56
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Ja sam procitao 80 brojeva i ima tu ludjackih epizoda po prethodnom pitanju, ne znam brojeve napamet, u glavi su mi ostale prica o jazzu u Luizijani, prica o bitkama republikanaca i napoleonovaca u Bretanji i prica iz Napulja koja je vise od polovice napisana napolitanskim dijalektom i onaj tko to prevodi stvarno treba biti mudonja. |
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 23:00:26
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quote: Originally posted by Kruger
quote: Originally posted by solar
Svašta. Isprva sam mislio da Kruger trola, ali čini se da je zaista ozbiljan.
Pa da, svaštara ponekad može poslužiti za manje obavezan razgovor.
Možeš li mi pomoći da nađem topic o Ken Parkeru, tražio ga i ne mogu ga naći.
Topic o Kenu je malo dolje, treba ga "podići"  |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 23:01:42
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quote: Originally posted by velka031
quote: Originally posted by Kruger
quote: Originally posted by solar
Svašta. Isprva sam mislio da Kruger trola, ali čini se da je zaista ozbiljan.
Pa da, svaštara ponekad može poslužiti za manje obavezan razgovor.
Možeš li mi pomoći da nađem topic o Ken Parkeru, tražio ga i ne mogu ga naći.
Topic o Kenu je malo dolje, treba ga "podići" 
Potone Ken pored toliko topica o Zagoru. |
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tinton
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 23:06:19
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
Kad ne bi pisalo ime scenarista na početku svake priče i ti bi realno vidio koje su priče najbolje. Ti vidiš ime scenarista i odmah ti je "sve jasno".
Taj problem imaju i kušači vina... oni vide crveno vino i počnu dijeliti superlative uobičajene za crveno vino. Floskule.
Ovo o kušačima vina pričaš ozbiljno nili? |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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nagor
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 23:13:09
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
quote: Originally posted by nagor
Kad ne bi pisalo ime scenarista na početku svake priče i ti bi realno vidio koje su priče najbolje. Ti vidiš ime scenarista i odmah ti je "sve jasno".
Taj problem imaju i kušači vina... oni vide crveno vino i počnu dijeliti superlative uobičajene za crveno vino. Floskule.
Ovo o kušačima vina pričaš ozbiljno nili?
Exhibit B mi je najjači. Nemaju pojma što govore, samo da govore.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/wine-tasting-is-bullshit-heres-why-496098276
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Rahazlam
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 23:16:34
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Pa kusaci vina su najveci prodavaci magle na svijetu,budale i niskoristi!Ko ce meni reci koje je vino bolje od kojeg pa to i sam vidim kad probam i jedno i drugo! |
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Rahazlam
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Posted - 21/02/2016 : 23:21:34
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A sto se Bosellija i Buratinija tice meni su njih dvojcia skroz slicni,samo sto su mi Bosellijeve price puno bolje!Zapravo Bosellijevi scenariji su mi puno kvalitetniji od Burattinijevih!Al da se razumijemo cijenim ja i Burea ima i on dobrih epizoda,zapravo je najbolje kad su zajedno!Iako ne pise Boselli/Burattini ja vjerujem da su oni zajedno napisali dosta epizoda cijeli put u Afriku su zajedno pisali makar u jednoj epizodi pise Burattini a u drugoj Boselli! |
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Gru
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 00:32:50
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
Evo, gujda samo za tvoju informaciju, pročitao sam prvih 13 brojeva Dampyra i iskreno očekivao sam više od serijala odnosno od Bosellija. Više ovoga što si napisao gore. Osim praških epizoda nema tu neke dubine. Dampyr je akcijski horor. Očekivao sam inteligentan mystery horor. Vjerujem da će se kasnije razmahati, ali za sad mi je Boselli puno jači na Zagoru... vjerojatno zbog toga što su mu tu priče duže ima dovoljna prostora za razmahati se.
Od Bosellijevog stvaralaštva sam čitao Zagora period SA, Afrika i JA, zatim dosta njegovih Texova, te ponešto Dampyra. Po meni, njegovo najbolje ostvarenje je ipak Zagorova SA odiseja. Kod ostalih perioda Zagora te na Texu i Dampyru ipak je to dosta slabije. |
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emirem
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 00:35:04
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
quote: Originally posted by stinky
quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx Hellingen je zanimljiv zbog njegova odnosa prema Zagoru, a njegova prošlost je tu suvišna ukoliko ne obogaćuje karakter lika.
Ali ja ne pričam o Hellingenovoj prošlosti!!!!! To je buratini-boljka, tipična racionalizacija (nagorovskog tipa, paradoksalno): svaka stvar mora biti objašnjena plitkim psihologiziranjem, recimo dok sam još gutao mahnito slashere, novi Halloween = prošlost Myersa, traumatično djetinjstvo, Texas Chainsaw = prošlost Leatherfacea, traumatično...)
Ne znam kako je Burattini ovdje uradio, nisam čitao strip. Sad kažeš da je pisao o prošlosti. Bezveze.
Ne, pričam o samom Hellingenu - i on se može razviti u "rasnog teoretičara". To nije nespojivo sa njegovim likom. Ali da ne tupimo.
Možda i može, ali mislio sam da već znaš da je Bure ovdje pisao o prošlosti Hellingena, da se zove Garth, da je porijeklom iz Nizozemske (:)) O tome se već ranije pričalo. Također, u priči je Buratini navodno čak objasnio i otkud Helingenu znanje moderne tehnologije. Ništa nije izostavljeno.
Zbilja, gdje je to Bure procitao? 
Prenosim svoje postove...
Ja velim da sam ideju imena bio predlagao davno i bilo je Jacob Van Bruin iz holandske kolonije na sjeveru drzave New York(ideja po "Sleepy Hollow") i da bi se "amerikanizirao" promjenio ime u Brown(ideja iz "Back to the Future”-Dr.Emmet Brownova prica oko imena) i nadimak Hellingen je dobio zbog neuobicajenih ideja u tadasnjem svijetu znanosti.. Hell Ingenieur... ali Signor Bure je mastovit koliko i drekec ima vitamina... na vidiku nista novo, on ce Z-a do penzije pokopati, ajos najavio kad se zadnja epizoda bude pojavila na raporedu to ce biti zavrsna prica ,koliko ono epizoda,netko je napisao otprilike 6-10 epizoda kao neki "long farewell"...
Davno sam pisao u Sbe redakciju...scenarij kritiziran zbog previse SF i Hellingenovog porijekla...Ime koje sam izmislio je bilo Jacob Van Bruin(posveta i ideja dosla od Emmet von Brauna,rekao u trecem dijelu filma BTTF nakon dolaska iz Njemacke skratili ime u Brown:-))..nizozemskog porijekla...medju kolegama imao puno nerazumijevanja zbog ekscentricnih i previse nekonvencionalnih metoda istrazivanja i ideja...ima dosje u "nowhere else"...ekskomuniciran iz udruge znanstvenika...bas me zanima sta su oni izmislili...ili plagirali...ionako se danas price i scenariji vise manje svugdje preklapaju i slice jednim drugima tako da je vise-manje sve predvidljivo...
Posted - 28/03/2014 : 16:52:27 Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Reply with Quote Delete Reply Originally posted by PijaniPatak
Ja sam mislio na običnu fan-prijateljsku posetu :)
Pozdravi ih od nas i reci da ima entuzijasta
http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19852&whichpage=307
Hellingen je dobio nadimak od svojih kolega na studijima u Londonu nakon sto je dosao iz Nizozemske proucavajuci princip rada vjetrenjaca (pa je drvene kotacice zamijenio americkim celikom, to cemo za kasnije )i sukobljavao se sa kolegama i dekanima zbog nekih revolucionarnih ideja u podrucju mehanike..sto bi se nadovezao na pricu o dr.Frankensteina o vjecnom zivotu i budjenju mrtvoga tkiva pomocu elektriciteta. nakon progonstva iz Britanije i nakon sto je stekao diplomu jedvice zagusujuci svoje strasti skrasio se u Baltimoru sto je privuklo i lokalne novinare (Edgar Allan Poe) koji ga je jednom intervjuirao. itd itd samo treba razraditi...
Hell - Pakleni Ingeneer, tj. Engineer - Inzenjer
Ja bi mu dao ime Jacob Van Bruin ( von braun iz back to the future)
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Originally posted by solar
Vjerujem da nam detaljnih objašnjenja neće faliti u novom Hellingenu, nažalost.
(Sjecam se da je to jednom vec netko predlozio, ali valja ponoviti. )
Ja sam to bio! 
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stinky
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 09:45:40
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quote: Originally posted by Gru Od Bosellijevog stvaralaštva sam čitao Zagora period SA, Afrika i JA, zatim dosta njegovih Texova, te ponešto Dampyra. Po meni, njegovo najbolje ostvarenje je ipak Zagorova SA odiseja. Kod ostalih perioda Zagora te na Texu i Dampyru ipak je to dosta slabije.
Američka odiseja jest najbolje ostvarenje (poimence: Nestali istraživač, Osveta vudu, Teksaški rendžeri, Cibola), ali nije ni ostalo na Zagoru loše. Morska strava i Otočka skupina idu u vrh... Kainov povratak... pa čak ni za osporavane Hurone nisam siguran je li nepravedno podcijenjena ta epizoda.
Čak ni ono što je sumnjivo, šesti Hellingen i treći Kandrax, čak i to oscilira između genijalnosti i bunila.
Pa neprimjetni Kradljivac sjena ima solidnu kvalitetu.
Burattini nema priče u rangu najboljih Bosellijevih, njegovi vrhunci su tu negdje, na razini Bosellijeve druge lige. Dakle, i on ima podosta sjajnih.
No, ima i podosta slabih, tj. jednolično ponavljanje = ne možemo mu vrednovati vrhunski to, osim ovako kako zahtijeva Kruger: bum, tras, opuštanje. Ali meni se ne opušta, valja biti uvijek spreman. |
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stinky
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 09:52:14
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Eh da, ono što je najsumnjivije (Dampyra nisam baš nešto pratio, a i vrlo malo Texa) od Bosellija, to je njegov izlet na DD. Pasji otok je slabašan, neka vrsta depotenciranog i manje lucidnog Medde iz Otkucaja vremena, recimo. |
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piquet
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 11:26:28
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malo ću detaljnije o stripu kasnije...sada samo moram spomenuti klasično ubacivanje tri nebitna klošara koje zagor razbuca...sada smo sigurni da helingen ide prema brdu natani...prestrašno... 
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adriano
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 12:07:21
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došao sam do 300 stranice. Sviđa mi se ideja da se Helingen vraća u vrijeme prije demona ludila i da utjelovljuje 100 % zločinca. Buratini je bio dovoljno pristojan pa nije mijenjao nolitine osnovne postavke helingenovog lika i djela. |
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