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DODSFERD
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 16:35:00
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Evo i Bugari 1 smrtni slučaj na samo 7 zaraženih, ne kaže se uzalud rasturen k'o bugarska skupština. |
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emirem
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 16:49:59
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Ja sam jucer jeo makarone pa cu povremeno provjeriti celo. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 17:01:32
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Evo i prvog smrtnog slučaja u Švedskoj, kao da sam ih urekao.  Nešto se čudno događa u Katru, kod njih je išlo dosta sporo i imali su samo 24 zaražena, a danas novih 238. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 17:02:19
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quote: Originally posted by emirem
Ja sam jucer jeo makarone pa cu povremeno provjeriti celo.
Što je bilo s kiselim kupusom, već si potrošio sve zalihe.  |
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MSBlueberry
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 17:54:48
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Ako je vjerovati dostupnim podacima, nema ozbiljnih i kritičnih slučajeva. |
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nagor
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Croatia
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MSBlueberry
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 18:13:10
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Ako je vjerovati dostupnim podacima, nema ozbiljnih i kritičnih slučajeva.
Dobro, oni prvi, kad bi trebali službeno ozdravit (ima li tu neki vremenski...)? |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 18:19:38
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Najnovije ažuriranje za Italiju: 2313 novih zaraženih i 197 umrlih što je novi rekord. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 18:22:56
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quote: Originally posted by MSBlueberry
quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Ako je vjerovati dostupnim podacima, nema ozbiljnih i kritičnih slučajeva.
Dobro, oni prvi, kad bi trebali službeno ozdravit (ima li tu neki vremenski...)?
Minimum 2 tjedna, a mislim da je već toliko prošlo od prvog slučaja. |
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lwood
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lwood
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Colombia
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 19:05:51
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quote: Originally posted by vukozec
quote: Originally posted by lwood
Mediji ne rade nikakvu psihozu,previše se furate na teorije zavjere. Dapače čak i smanjuju paniku.
Ne znam što je prava istina u vezi virusa, no znam da je ovo da mediji ne stvaraju psihozu već smiruju paniku laž.
https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/svijet/zbog-izjave-angele-merkel-zanijemila-cijela-prostorija-koronavirusom-bi-moglo-biti-zarazeno-izmedu-60-i-70-posto-populacije-njemacke/10076872/
Ovo je naslov: "ZBOG IZJAVE ANGELE MERKEL ZANIJEMILA CIJELA PROSTORIJA 'Koronavirusom bi moglo biti zaraženo između 60 i 70 posto populacije Njemačke' "
A ovo je citat sa kraja istog članka kojeg će pročitati oni rijetki koji pročitaju cijele članke: "No, Spahn je istaknuo i da bi i u tom slučaju više od 80 posto zaraženih to preboljelo gotovo bez razvijanja bilo kakvih simptoma."
Nije,nego su ljudi stoka. Ovo je istina šta Merkel kaže,može se dogodit da i oboli toliki broj ljudi (a i ne mora) Ona je rekla ono šta joj kažu njemački epidemiološki stručnjaci, e sad drugi je par cipela šta prosječnu osobu boli kita i uopće nema veze ni s općom biologijom a kamoli brzinom evolucije virusa (u odnosu na npr kralježnjake). Da ne spominjem lošu razinu higijene kod opće populacije itd |
depresivni iskompleksirani primitivac i nadrkana budala |
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lwood
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vukozec
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 19:30:09
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
WHO proglasio globalnu pandemiju koronavirusa.
https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/who-proglasio-globalnu-pandemiju-koronavirusa/2164226.aspx
Proglašavanje pandemije ukazuje na to da se virus više ne nalazi samo u određenim regijama ili zemljama i da bi bilo dobro da zemlje preusmjere fokus s mjera osiguranja, poput pretjerano restriktivnih karantena, na liječenje pacijenata s koronavirusom.
Dosadašnje pandemije: H1N1 (2009.), HIV (1981.), španjolska gripa (1918.), boginje (1870) i kuga (1347.)
Zašto pandemija 2009. nije uzrokovala jednaku globalnu reakciju? |
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DODSFERD
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grofica Varga
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 20:25:16
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quote: Originally posted by Risar_69 a sami presudite šta je istina
Nemamo mi tu što sami prosuđivati. Možemo, čavrljanja radi i druženja po forumu. Gušt mi je čitati ovaj topik i neka nas tu, ali moramo sami sebe smjestiti u pravi kontekst. Donositi odluke i ponašati se u skladu s nekim našim viđenjima – ne smijemo. Rečeno je da se radi o virusu koji se širi po planetu, koji je smrtonosan, mnogo toga u vezi njega treba tek doznati i nema lijeka. Nosimo teret odgovornosti za čitav kolektiv i nemamo mi što izvoditi neke individualne prosudbe, „moj život – moja stvar“ i slično. U fazi smo sprječavanja širenja zaraze, tu je najvažnije kako će se cijela zajednica ponašati. Krivim interpretacijama možemo ugroziti nekog samo zato što smo „postojali“ kraj njega u datom trenutku. Ljudi koji smatraju da je sve ovo teorija urote su najopasniji, jer se neće pridržavati propisa koji su nametnuti od ovih i onih. Manje šteti onaj paničar koji će pokupovati toaletni papir... (Naći će se u kolekciji neki Ken Parker bude li baš tolika frka.) Paničar se uplašio, teoretičar zavjere negira možebitnu opasnost, a u situaciji smo da se ponašanje i jednog i drugog se tiče svih.
Moramo se držati pravila i naša pojedinačna razmišljanja baciti u drugi plan. Prevelika je to odgovornost za brijanje nekih vlastitih brija. |
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Tonto
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 20:34:28
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quote: Originally posted by grofica Varga
quote: Originally posted by Risar_69 a sami presudite šta je istina
Nemamo mi tu što sami prosuđivati. Možemo, čavrljanja radi i druženja po forumu. Gušt mi je čitati ovaj topik i neka nas tu, ali moramo sami sebe smjestiti u pravi kontekst. Donositi odluke i ponašati se u skladu s nekim našim viđenjima – ne smijemo. Rečeno je da se radi o virusu koji se širi po planetu, koji je smrtonosan, mnogo toga u vezi njega treba tek doznati i nema lijeka. Nosimo teret odgovornosti za čitav kolektiv i nemamo mi što izvoditi neke individualne prosudbe, „moj život – moja stvar“ i slično. U fazi smo sprječavanja širenja zaraze, tu je najvažnije kako će se cijela zajednica ponašati. Krivim interpretacijama možemo ugroziti nekog samo zato što smo „postojali“ kraj njega u datom trenutku. Ljudi koji smatraju da je sve ovo teorija urote su najopasniji, jer se neće pridržavati propisa koji su nametnuti od ovih i onih. Manje šteti onaj paničar koji će pokupovati toaletni papir... (Naći će se u kolekciji neki Ken Parker bude li baš tolika frka.) Paničar se uplašio, teoretičar zavjere negira možebitnu opasnost, a u situaciji smo da se ponašanje i jednog i drugog se tiče svih.
Moramo se držati pravila i naša pojedinačna razmišljanja baciti u drugi plan. Prevelika je to odgovornost za brijanje nekih vlastitih brija.
Slazem se s tobom u potpunosti, ali budi svjesna da govoris ljudima da ne rade upravo ono sto najvise vole - da se prave pametni. |
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Dwayne_Looney
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 20:39:29
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quote: Originally posted by zeljko
quote: Originally posted by izivko
U BiH su najavili od sutra zatvaranje svih škola. Jedna od razumnijih odluka naše vlade. Bolje odmah nego kasnije.
mi nemamo krovnu vladu svaki dio bih je zadužen ponaosob
prvo je RS na 21 dan ukinula školu onda je sutradan i Federacija BiH mada vidim svaki kanton ima pravo odlučivati :D
Da, u HNK nije ukinuta nastava. U Mostaru, neslužbeno, ima zaraženih, već mjesec dana su ukinute posjete, šutnja na SKB Mostar no nema poziva na snimanja ili promatranja u drugim odjelima, ako si čekao na CT 5 mjeseci možeš još 2... dakle, Veliki vođa je naredio da istina ne smije u javnost. Tek kad ih bude 10-ak reći će da je prvi, umre li netko od zaraženih pripisat će nečemu drugom, kao da narod išta zna. Meni samo ide na živce ismijavanje straha od virusa jer je kao smrtnost nikakva. Pa, jbt, ne bojim se ja smrti (... toliko, jel?) ali kome je drago biti bolestan i od čega a posebno u izolaciji i do/preko 3 tjedna čak.
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I baš u međuvremenu: https://www.bljesak.info/vijesti/flash/sumnja-se-na-koronavirus-dvije-osobe-u-mostaru-primljene-na-kliniku-za-infektivne-bolesti/304649
Da li će kao i u dosadašnjih 4-5 slučajeva nalaz biti negativan ili se više ne može lagati? Bit će nastavljeno... |
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vukozec
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 21:29:14
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quote: Originally posted by grofica Varga
quote: Originally posted by Risar_69 a sami presudite šta je istina
Nemamo mi tu što sami prosuđivati. Možemo, čavrljanja radi i druženja po forumu. Gušt mi je čitati ovaj topik i neka nas tu, ali moramo sami sebe smjestiti u pravi kontekst. Donositi odluke i ponašati se u skladu s nekim našim viđenjima – ne smijemo. Rečeno je da se radi o virusu koji se širi po planetu, koji je smrtonosan, mnogo toga u vezi njega treba tek doznati i nema lijeka. Nosimo teret odgovornosti za čitav kolektiv i nemamo mi što izvoditi neke individualne prosudbe, „moj život – moja stvar“ i slično. U fazi smo sprječavanja širenja zaraze, tu je najvažnije kako će se cijela zajednica ponašati. Krivim interpretacijama možemo ugroziti nekog samo zato što smo „postojali“ kraj njega u datom trenutku. Ljudi koji smatraju da je sve ovo teorija urote su najopasniji, jer se neće pridržavati propisa koji su nametnuti od ovih i onih. Manje šteti onaj paničar koji će pokupovati toaletni papir... (Naći će se u kolekciji neki Ken Parker bude li baš tolika frka.) Paničar se uplašio, teoretičar zavjere negira možebitnu opasnost, a u situaciji smo da se ponašanje i jednog i drugog se tiče svih.
Moramo se držati pravila i naša pojedinačna razmišljanja baciti u drugi plan. Prevelika je to odgovornost za brijanje nekih vlastitih brija.
Jebiga, lako je tebi u Germany vjerovati u sljeđenje pravila, nama ovdje pravila diktiraju likovi poput Pavla Kalinića :) |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 21:47:44
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Da se testiranja rade kako spada broj zaraženih bi barem u Hrvatskoj i Srbiji bio troznamenkast. Evo, Norveška prošla 600, Danska 500, a države sličnog broja stanovnika. |
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nagor
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Posted - 11/03/2020 : 23:11:36
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Zar je do toga došlo? Triaža? Spasit mlađe na račun starijih?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8101135/Intensive-care-units-stop-treating-elderly-coronavirus-outbreak-worsens.html
Rather than admit patients on a 'first come first served' basis, hospitals should swap to 'catastrophe medicine' guidelines - typically used in war zones and during natural disasters - where those with the greatest chance of survival are given priority.
The guidelines should apply to all patients needing intensive care treatment and not just those suffering from coronavrius, according to guidance published this week by the Society of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SAARI).
If a limit on beds is implemented it could mean elderly patients with no signs of coronavirus being turfed off ICU wards to make space for younger patients who have longer left to live. |
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Peyo
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grofica Varga
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Posted - 12/03/2020 : 00:31:56
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quote: Originally posted by vukozec Jebiga, lako je tebi u Germany vjerovati u sljeđenje pravila, nama ovdje pravila diktiraju likovi poput Pavla Kalinića :)
Čisto da ti razbijem određene mitove. U onome što se govori građanima ovdje i građanima u Hrvatskoj nema neke razlike. Rečeno vam je da perete ruke, izbjegavate bliski kontakt, ne munjesate okolo kad ne treba, pogotovo da ne idete u događaje s velikom skupinom ljudi, izbjegavate javni prijevoz... Dopunite namirnice u domaćinstvu da imate za dva tjedna. U slučaju karantene trebate biti osigurani i ne paradirati zaraženi po dućanima.
Testovi se ni ovdje ne rade ako među simptomima nema povišene temperature. (Iako korona može biti i bez toga.) Koliku ćeš pozornost dobiti ovisi jesi li stariji, dijabetičar, astmatičar, imaš li probleme srcem, jesi li bio na putovanju u kritične zemlje, je l' u tvojoj firmi/školi/kući bio neki slučaj. Najviše toga pak ostaje na pojedincu samom, hoće li ako se osjeća loše kontaktirati doktora i samoizolirati se (ako ti kažu) i pratiti simptome. Nekih jačih mjera od onog što rade druge države nema. Ljudi neozbiljnih i šlampastih ima na bacanje, kao i onih koji zagovaraju žešće mjere. Obustavu rada svega osim dućana i apoteka, zatvaranje škola itd. |
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Poli
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emirem
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Posted - 12/03/2020 : 09:05:23
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Bas mi veli maloprije jedan Portugalac,imamo klince u vrticu,bio kod doktora zbog svoje zene koja ima astmu,kaze doktor da se penzioni fond hoce rijesiti starijih jer opterecuju fond.wtf? Ima teorija zavjere oko toga,ali..hmm, tete jos nisu nista sluzbeno rekle,ali moguce u ponedeljak se zatvaraju preventivno,roditelji ostaju kod kuce imaju placeno. |
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Edited by - emirem on 12/03/2020 09:05:45 |
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