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VALTER
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mladjo
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Posted - 31/12/2020 : 13:32:41
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Čuo sam se sad sa Iseserinom. On je ok makar mu je kuća stradala (crijepovi, grede...) On je sad u civilnoj zaštiti tako da radi. Kaže da slabo sad stigne na forum ali zahvaljuje svima na podršci |
COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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Spock
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Croatia
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Posted - 31/12/2020 : 15:47:59
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Svaka čast za akciju ljudi. Stavio bih i ja štogod stripova u prodaju po uzoru na Paku i ostale, ali nisam doma, niti ću biti još neko vrijeme.
Uplatio sam nešto sitno, u skladu s trenutnim mogućnostima, ali od srca je, a zrno po zrno - pogača.
Nadam se da će svima ova nova godina donijeti više sreće.
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Cromwell
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Croatia
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Posted - 31/12/2020 : 16:02:54
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Već par dana ne znam što da napišem na sve ovo. Imam nevjerojatno jak poriv za ići tamo na pogođeno područje i pomoći ljudima koji su ostali bez svega a nemrem doslovno niš. Jebem ti nemoć usranu! Samo nonstop pratim vijesti i idem na živce curi a ne znam uopće za kog vraga sve to. Valjda čekam nekakve dobre vijesti u cijelom tom užasu.
Tihomire drž' se. Uplatio sam simbolično i iskreno se nadam da će oni koji raspolažu velikim novcem biti ljudi i da se neće dogoditi sranje kao one godine sa poplavama i strvinarima iz Crvenog križa. :(
Tebi, Iseserinu i svim ostalima na pogođenom području želim najbržu moguću normalizaciju stanja. |
Bok, kako si.
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MD72
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Posted - 31/12/2020 : 18:10:57
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Da ne otvaram Topic na Aukcijama napisat cu ovdje. Poznato mi je da prodavaci na aukcijama gdje trenutno ucestvujem stripove ne salju u inozemstvo. Moje ucesce je iskljucivo humanitarnog karaktera,tako da u slucaju osvajanja neke od aukcija,Tihomiru ide ne samo novac nego i osvojeni stripovi.
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BeaGea
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Posted - 31/12/2020 : 19:10:54
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Nakon 100 promjena uspio staviti svoju prvu aukciju kako bi pomogli kolegi. Nemam bas stripova pa sam u prvi plan stavio filmove. Tu su i dva stripa! Pa ako ima zainteresiranih aukcija je u potpisu. |
Kažite mi, jeste li se umorili Jesu li vas prevarili Je l'nas vrijeme pregazilo |
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anto
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Serbia
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verab
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BeaGea
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Tonka24
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vukozec
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panzer
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tihomirduras
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Posted - 01/01/2021 : 22:03:00
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Samo da se nakratko spojim i javim, još jednom veliko veliko hvala svima na izrazima potpore u ovakvim trenucima to mi stvarno puno znači i to od ljudi koje ne poznajem htio bi svakome ponaosob stisnuti ruku i zahvaliti na svemu.
Napokon sam uhvatio malo vremena ponajviše što sam večeras na poslu iako nisam trebao ići raditi morao sam malo srediti misli pa sam se dobrovoljno prijavio tim više što su i druge kolege isto nastradale u potresu pa mu se to činilo kao i moralan čin.
Najnoviji info je da sutra ujutro poslije noćne vozim suprugu i djecu u hotel u Crikvenici gdje su se ponudili da im organiziraju smještaj sutra ću ja ostati s njima ali već se prekosutra ujutro moram vratiti zbog roditelja uspjeli smo osposobiti našu ljetnu kuhinju i pretvoriti je u sobu za spavanje za njih trenutačno najsigurniji opcija pošto im odlazak od kuće ne pada na pamet.
Moram reći da sam dobio jako puno ponuda za kamp kućice, kamperice i stambene kontejnere ali sam ih sve proslijedio dalje pošto jako, jako puno ljudi nema apsolutno ništa i osjećao bi se užasno da meni pored kuće stoji kamperica dok znam da se ljudi smrzavaju u šatorima i autima.
Jedino što bi htio još zamoliti je da ako netko živi blizu Crikvenice i mojim nešto zatreba da mu se mogu obratiti za pomoć.
Hvala svima još jednom i sretna vam nova godina svima.
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tihomirduras
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ivi skoj
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 11:59:39
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Jao, nigdje betona i armature. Trebalo bi fronte napraviti iste, a iza betonske kocke. Sad je prilika za nešto kvalitetno. Prije sam imao kuću pa smo stalno nekaj varili, betonirali i uvjek smo pomalo pretjerivali sa količinom armature i betona. Susedi su me zafrkavali kaj gradim Importane centar. Frajer kaj je mostove gradio mi ispleo košare za neku škarpu prema susjedu, to je tak dobro isavijao, ispleo i povezao, izgledalo je ko skulptura. Sve mi bilo žao preliti beton preko toga.
 Tihomire jesi uspio pohvatati konce u kojem smjeru krenuti? Ak treba neka radna akcija zovi. Skupili bu mo se i odradili.
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samo još vjeverice, Pola i Slatea cekam |
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zeljko
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 12:25:44
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da to sam i ja skontao armatura i beton nepoznanica mogu li foto novijih zgrada i kuća čini mi se da sam na dronu vidio kako je nova zgrada relativno dobro prošla |
Utabanim stazama ocaja! |
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Spiderman
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 12:57:42
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Ipak je dosta tih kuća jako staro i tada nije bila gradnja beton + armatura...
Pa kod mene u selu gdje imam vikendicu ima starih kuća koje su od kamena zidane... Kleti su također od kamena... Stare preko 70-80 godina...
Čudno je da u nekim novijim gradnjama nema armature (našao na FB video ali ga sada ne mogu naći jer je grupa za Petrinju prevelika) gdje se čovjek čudi kako su napravili kuće a ni malo željeza i to iza 90-ih... |
Moj strip Moje aukcije |
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zeljko
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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roby05
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 13:24:48
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Da,lani sam bio u ova doba oko Nove G. u Bjelovaru,Daruvaru,V.Grdjevcu, Djurdjevcu...i bas sam se zacudio sto relativno ima i novijih gradjevina,kuca...zidane bez cerklaza,salivanja greda...vec samo cigla,komplet,samo coskovi naslagani cik cak.Cudno mi bilo skroz,kazu da je to tako kod njih odavno. E sad kad pridodamo starost istih,onda imamo sta imamo.Lako je doduse bit i general posli bitke,kako god bilo zalosno je i tuzno ovo sve... Nije narod kriv,nema se i jos sta je prosao i kroz rat...
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Evala ti dalmatinski puce,pozdrav tebi s Poljuda Hajduce,nasem moru,galebu i skoju,Boze cuvaj Dalmaciju moju. |
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roby05
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 13:29:21
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quote: Originally posted by Spiderman
Ipak je dosta tih kuća jako staro i tada nije bila gradnja beton + armatura...
Pa kod mene u selu gdje imam vikendicu ima starih kuća koje su od kamena zidane... Kleti su također od kamena... Stare preko 70-80 godina...
Čudno je da u nekim novijim gradnjama nema armature (našao na FB video ali ga sada ne mogu naći jer je grupa za Petrinju prevelika) gdje se čovjek čudi kako su napravili kuće a ni malo željeza i to iza 90-ih...
Kod nas su sve stare kuce zidane sa kamenom,drugo nisu nista ni imali,za srecu,ali su zidovi debeli 50-60cm. I sad bi radje imao takvu nego ovu sto sam sad u njoj. |
Evala ti dalmatinski puce,pozdrav tebi s Poljuda Hajduce,nasem moru,galebu i skoju,Boze cuvaj Dalmaciju moju. |
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roby05
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 13:34:09
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quote: Originally posted by zeljko
jednu sam vidio srušenu mislim da je plafon od trstike i blata to je staro 100+ godina
To se i kod nas slicno radilo,ali od trske i maltera.Ne tako ni davno,do cca.76.g Npr,ako nisi imao namjeru vise dizat kucu,nema gornje ploce nego drvene grede i povezana trska i malter Ili pregradni nenosivi zid i sl. |
Evala ti dalmatinski puce,pozdrav tebi s Poljuda Hajduce,nasem moru,galebu i skoju,Boze cuvaj Dalmaciju moju. |
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emirem
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 13:49:51
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Vidio sam i ja snimke sa drona,kao sto veli Zeljko dosta starih kuca starosti 100 i vise godina stare, vec su bile derutne i sklone rusenju. Ono sve sto je radila Austro-Ugarska,car Jozef i drug Josip eno u Zagrebu se jos drzi, a sve one stare stale po Ilici (domaci mestri), znam jer sam bio u jednom kulturnom drustvu u Ilici i to je bilo mislim nekada stala od vatrogasnog drustva. Kako ta dvorista izgledaju pozadi ima samo u Alan Ford stripovima. Ima ovdje zagrepcana i mogu posvjedociti tome da je centar s dvorisnih strana poput reklama za ciglanu. Vidio sam nekada Zavrtnicu kakva je bila,staro Trnje,Tresnjevku...mila majko... A centar se naravno uvijek sminkao i nadosminkavao,farbale se fasade samo da pokriju sramotu. Jurisicevom sam uvijek imao strah i kao tinejdzer,kad sam vidio one gorgojle,Posejdone sa balkona,cekaju jaci vjetar da se odvale. I davno prije u Smiciklasovoj kod vodovoda,Patacickina, se davno odlomila fasada sama od sebe,odnosno od starosti, to je bio sok. Nije se saniralo i uvijek se reagira kad je kasno,ne radi se nista preventivno. Mazi fasadu,napravi reklamu,privuci ljude,turiste,uzmi lovu i ne ulazi u daljnje projekte,sve kratkorocno. Ljudi 20 godina obnavljali Petrinju, **bo te, pa negdje za nekoliko dana dignu bolnicu,pa makar improviziranu. Znam,znam, nije se ulagalo kako je trebalo, to je kraj ionako nekad bio bogat u poljoprivredi,Banovina,Moslavina,ali nitko nije ulagao,diglo se ruke, po obicaju uvijek sirotinja nastrada. To je ono sto je ignorantsko u medijima, kad je potres udario Kasinu prica se o zagrebu,sad kad je Strasnik i Petrinju,Glina se zapostavlja.
U Japanu se otvori rupa nasred ceste i vec isti dan je i asfalt gore. Dok mi salijemo plocu ostecenima, vec bu Japanci otvorili Sushi bar na marsu.
Nije da nije bilo novaca za obnovu,bilo je, sad cemo koristiti novac EU jer svoje love nemamo.

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jaki
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 14:30:41
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Ali kad je kuća već jedanput napravljena i to onako kako se u tom kraju radilo(a nego kako drukčije)onda je teško "popravljati" jer ionako ne bi imao razloga za popravljati i da hoćeš.Kako bi popravio kuteve kuća pravljene od malih cigli i nalivati armirranobetonske grede?Pa sam bi srušio kuću popravljajuči je.Uostalom,ovakav potres se dogodi u koliko vremena?1 put u 500/1000 godina na istom mjestu?
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ken2
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/01/2021 : 15:59:57
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kuće u centru petrinje su građene u vrijeme kada armirani beton nije postojao ili nije bio u široj primjeni na području hrvatske / austro ugarske... a nisu postojale ni metode statičkih proračuna, a pogotovo otpornosti na potres i stari graditelji su razmišljali o potresu, ali radilo se po iskustvu i pravilima zanata: zidovi u prizemlju su bili deblji nego na katu, a ovi su bili deblji od drugog kata... cilj je bio smanjiti masu koja ubrzava na višim etažama i lomi konstrukciju stropne konstrukcije su drvene, koje su lagane i elastične i dobro podnose potresne sile (a kod rušenja ostavljaju međuprostore koji spašavaju živote ljudi), ali ne mogu prenijeti horizontalnu silu na zidove i to je najveći problem stare gradnje: zidovi su praktički konzole, koje jedva da su pridržane u razini međukatnih konstrukcija to se donekle rješavalo čeličnim traverzama ispod pregradnih zidova i dvostrukim daščanim oplatama ispod i iznad greda, ali u biti bez krutog diska u razini stropa zidovi ne mogu biti na zadovoljavajući način povezani u sustav koji se može oduprijeti djelovanju horizontalnih sila kad tome dodate još i starost, propadanje morta, koji je u to vrijeme bio većinom ili isključivo vapneni, nepridržane visoke zabatne zidove, dimnjake koji su u zagrebu napravili pola štete, konzolne vijence koji otežavaju nadozide krovišta, koji su i bez konzola i ukrasa ranjivi ... moja procjena iz snimki i u razgovoru s kolegama koji su po terenu, je da su te zgrade dobro izdržale ( u smislu broja žrtava, ne po materijalnoj šteti) - iz razloga što su niske uglavnom su to katnice s krovom iznad, što nije prevelika masa koja bi u ovakvo strašnom potresu dobivala ubrzanje i svojom silom lomila konstrukciju zidova i tako u potpunosti rušila zgrade (takvih je ipak bilo relativno malo) rekao bih da je to velika sreća i da je ta niska gradnja spasila stotine života
u svakom slučaju, ovaj potres je bio velike snage, a posljedice ovise o raznim faktorima: gradnji, vrsti tla, orijentaciji nosivih zidova, visini zgrada... ma o svemu prijatelj mi ima vikendicu u nebojanu - to je gotovo u samom epicentru onog prvog potresa, a nije daleko ni od drugog - ali nema štete, jer je kuća u naselju vikendica blizu kupe, na mekom, aluvijalnom tlu, pa je kuća 'plovila' zajedno s tlom s druge strane, naselje nebojan je na višoj koti, na drugačijem, tvrđem tlu, i pretrpilo je ogromne štete
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