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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 14:29:50
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
Sta ja imam od toga sto ce Masa kupovati Zagora i sto ce izdavac trljati ruke. NISTA!
Mozda imas to sto se strip nece ugasiti posle tri broja?
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Djole
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 14:33:40
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quote: Originally posted by Ado
Zar ti idioti nemaju nimalo vizije u glavurdama niko izvan Srbije im to sranje nece kupovati.
Naprotiv, to pokazuje da je imaju veoma puno. Zagora, koga izdaju za raju, stampaju odakle hoce, jer je broj Ludensovih primeraka ovde u najbolju ruku trocifren, gde je prva cifra 2.
Dylana, koji ima manju, ali shall we say profilisaniju publiku, stampaju tamo gde su ostali preskakali.
Ta logika je vise nego legitimna.
Za razliku od svega ostalog.
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 14:34:31
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quote: Originally posted by BiDi
a i onako je 1/2 originalne cjene Ludensa.
i 1/4 kvaliteta. I tu je problem.
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 14:35:12
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quote: Originally posted by Aco
Izvan SCG,stvarno ne znam tko ce to kupiti.
Vise nego dovoljno trziste, ako se mudro igra.
Sto ovi ne rade.
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 14:36:46
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quote: Originally posted by zmcomics
Ali, sta je tu je, valda ce se i to vremenom srediti.
Ummmm... da ponovim ono Markosovo pitanje o ceni printanja na roto papiru i tirazu/broju prodatih primeraka Stripoteke....
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 14:56:52
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
quote: Originally posted by Ado
Zar ti idioti nemaju nimalo vizije u glavurdama niko izvan Srbije im to sranje nece kupovati.
Naprotiv, to pokazuje da je imaju veoma puno. Zagora, koga izdaju za raju, stampaju odakle hoce, jer je broj Ludensovih primeraka ovde u najbolju ruku trocifren, gde je prva cifra 2.
Dylana, koji ima manju, ali shall we say profilisaniju publiku, stampaju tamo gde su ostali preskakali.
Ta logika je vise nego legitimna.
Za razliku od svega ostalog.
I živa daje crn talog.
Pa ja bih uzimao tog Zagora da su poceli sa nekim aktuelnijim brojevima(mislim na talijanske) a sigurno bi i stotinjak drugih fanatika sa ovoga foruma. Ovako izdavac samo moze da se osloni na domacu publiku, a nazalost necemo zakrpiti rupu u odnosu na talijane.(sto me najvise zulja) A za DD si upravu. |
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Markos
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 15:22:28
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quote: Originally posted by zmcomics
quote: Originally posted by Markos
Prava tesko da mogu biti vise od 1000 Eura. A i to je upitno.
A sta ako je slucajno i vise od tog!?!
Zlatko, prilicno te cijenim, ali ovaj angry smile ti nije trebao. Ja sam iznijeo kalkulaciju po kojoj se racunaju prava i ukoliko mislis ili znas da sam u krivu iznesi konkretne podatke, a ovako neargumentirane tvrdnje ispadaju smijesne. 1000 Eura je cifra koju nisam ispalio tek tako, nego zato sto znam dosta podataka o pravima za Bonellija inace.
Ali evo, neko je spominjao prava koja kostaju i preko 3.000 eura, ja kazem 1000. Nek je istina na pola, neka su prava recimo 2000. Cijena stripa na kioscima je 1.3 Eura. Od toga kiosci uzimaju bar 30%, ali dobro, recimo da je manje, pa nek im ostane 1 Euro po stripu. Dakle, oni trebaju prodati 2000 komada samo da pokriju prava?!!!! Ma daj molim te...
I nisi odgovorio na pitanje o stampi na roto papiru i tirazu stripoteke. Vec kad odgovaras onda odgovori na pitanja o kojima sigurno imas tocne podatke.
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DusMan
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 15:24:05
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Evo i ja da se oglasi po ovom pitanju. Mogu samo da sumiram ono sto je gore izreceno. Kvalitet - los (kakav Zagor i zasluzuje), tehnicka priprema - zadivljujuce nije losa, cena - bezobrazna. Zanimljivo je, a jos nije receno, da ceo tim koji rade ovaj strip sacinjavaju dve osobe! Za izdavaca: Milos Pavlovic Prevod: Milos Pavlovic Urednik: Lana Pavlovic - Aleksic Tehnicka realizacija: Lana Pavlovic - Aleksic
I to je sve.
Ispostavilo, jos, da je ulica u kojoj je Abaton i ulica u kojoj je moja skola. I to samo 10 brojeva razlike izmedju jedne i druge zgrade. Ocekujte u toku nedelje da se prosetam do njih, i... khm... "raspitam"... o par stvari.
I jos ovo... copyright je iz 2003. sto potvrdjuje price koje su kruzile, ali zar ne bi bilo logicno da sad pise 2004?
So lock up your daughter, lock up your wife, lock up your back door, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! |
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DusMan
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 15:40:59
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Sledeca epizoda za mesec dana - Atlantis. Tu se nisu morali muciti oko prevoda epizode. :)
So lock up your daughter, lock up your wife, lock up your back door, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! |
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zmcomics
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 15:52:12
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Pored njih imamo i Ken Parkera a ocekujemo i Magica Venta (dakle, Zlatko, ako racunamo "Ludens", to su onda TRI izdavaca Bonelijevih stripova kod nas)
Magico Vente jos nije krenuo, dakle ipak dva
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zmcomics
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 16:09:06
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Zlatko, prilicno te cijenim, ali ovaj angry smile ti nije trebao. Ja sam iznijeo kalkulaciju po kojoj se racunaju prava i ukoliko mislis ili znas da sam u krivu iznesi konkretne podatke, a ovako neargumentirane tvrdnje ispadaju smijesne. 1000 Eura je cifra koju nisam ispalio tek tako, nego zato sto znam dosta podataka o pravima za Bonellija inace.
Ali evo, neko je spominjao prava koja kostaju i preko 3.000 eura, ja kazem 1000. Nek je istina na pola, neka su prava recimo 2000. Cijena stripa na kioscima je 1.3 Eura. Od toga kiosci uzimaju bar 30%, ali dobro, recimo da je manje, pa nek im ostane 1 Euro po stripu. Dakle, oni trebaju prodati 2000 komada samo da pokriju prava?!!!! Ma daj molim te...
I nisi odgovorio na pitanje o stampi na roto papiru i tirazu stripoteke. Vec kad odgovaras onda odgovori na pitanja o kojima sigurno imas tocne podatke.
Kopirajti i tirazi su u domenu poslovnih tajni ali, zamisli da su kopirajti za svesku bonelija izmedju 1000 i 2000 eura. Zamisli da kiosci uzimaju NAJMANJE 35% rabata, ako drzis duze od mesec dana na kioscima onda i 55%.
Da, jako puno mora da se proda da bi takva izdanja bila rentabilna!!! Zato je i malo izdavaca stripova. Zato se moraju baviti dodatnim izdanjima i poslovima kako bi izdrzavali strip edicije dok ne postranu rentabilne. Albumi su druga prica.
Cene roto stampe neznam, a i to se razlikuje od stamparije do stamparije, ovde je rec o lepljenju a nasa izdanja se vezuju zicom. jedna je cena kada radis u nekoj stampariji 15 izdanja mesecno a druga kada radis 2. Cene drasticno padaju sa velicinom tiraza...
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 16:45:42
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quote: Originally posted by Ado
Pa ja bih uzimao tog Zagora da su poceli sa nekim aktuelnijim brojevima(mislim na talijanske) a sigurno bi i stotinjak drugih fanatika sa ovoga foruma. Ovako izdavac samo moze da se osloni na domacu publiku, a nazalost necemo zakrpiti rupu u odnosu na talijane
Da, ali ti nisi ciljna grupa ovog izdvaca. Boli ga uvo za tebe. Ne izdaje taj strip u dovoljno kvalitetnoj opremi da bi ga fanovi cenili, pa ne vidim zasto bi se osvrtao na izabir brojeva.
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 16:49:21
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quote: Originally posted by zmcomics
Kopirajti i tirazi su u domenu poslovnih tajni
Majkumu, a Rusalic izbaci tiraze ko iz topa. Nije da mu verujem...
quote: Originally posted by zmcomics
Cene roto stampe neznam
Cek, a znas da bi Akira sa ovim kvalitetom kostao 45 dinara?! Kako?!
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MAGIC
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 16:51:46
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djole's on the road again ;-))))
...ali on sanja otvorenih ociju.A ti sto sanjaju otvorenih ociju su opasni,jer ne znaju gde im san prestaje.. |
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 16:55:16
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Daleko bilo, za razliku od nekih drugih, cenim Zlatka i mislim da je za strip u nas uradio vise nego iko drugi.
Samo me nervira kad neko vrda.
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 17:03:33
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quote by Djole: ____________________ Majkumu, a Rusalic izbaci tiraze ko iz topa. Nije da mu verujem... ____________________
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 18:53:03
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nije vala iz mene izbacio nista
*-*"The only thing we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."*-*
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 19:04:42
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quote: Originally posted by zmcomics
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Zlatko, prilicno te cijenim, ali ovaj angry smile ti nije trebao. Ja sam iznijeo kalkulaciju po kojoj se racunaju prava i ukoliko mislis ili znas da sam u krivu iznesi konkretne podatke, a ovako neargumentirane tvrdnje ispadaju smijesne. 1000 Eura je cifra koju nisam ispalio tek tako, nego zato sto znam dosta podataka o pravima za Bonellija inace.
Ali evo, neko je spominjao prava koja kostaju i preko 3.000 eura, ja kazem 1000. Nek je istina na pola, neka su prava recimo 2000. Cijena stripa na kioscima je 1.3 Eura. Od toga kiosci uzimaju bar 30%, ali dobro, recimo da je manje, pa nek im ostane 1 Euro po stripu. Dakle, oni trebaju prodati 2000 komada samo da pokriju prava?!!!! Ma daj molim te...
I nisi odgovorio na pitanje o stampi na roto papiru i tirazu stripoteke. Vec kad odgovaras onda odgovori na pitanja o kojima sigurno imas tocne podatke.
Kopirajti i tirazi su u domenu poslovnih tajni ali, zamisli da su kopirajti za svesku bonelija izmedju 1000 i 2000 eura. Zamisli da kiosci uzimaju NAJMANJE 35% rabata, ako drzis duze od mesec dana na kioscima onda i 55%.
Da, jako puno mora da se proda da bi takva izdanja bila rentabilna!!! Zato je i malo izdavaca stripova. Zato se moraju baviti dodatnim izdanjima i poslovima kako bi izdrzavali strip edicije dok ne postranu rentabilne. Albumi su druga prica.
Jos uvijek me nisi uvjerio da su prava BITNO veca od 1000 Eura. Ja sam svojevremeno obavio neke razgovore oko objavljivanja Magico Venta i ni u kojoj kalkulaciji ta prava nisu bila skuplja.
quote: Originally posted by zmcomicsCene roto stampe neznam, a i to se razlikuje od stamparije do stamparije, ovde je rec o lepljenju a nasa izdanja se vezuju zicom. jedna je cena kada radis u nekoj stampariji 15 izdanja mesecno a druga kada radis 2. Cene drasticno padaju sa velicinom tiraza...
Sve ja to znam, ali ti meni nisi odgovorio na pitanje.
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 19:13:47
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quote: Originally posted by Djole Majkumu, a Rusalic izbaci tiraze ko iz topa. Nije da mu verujem...
Da sam sam izdavac i ja bih mozda govorio o tirazima, ovako izmedju mene i tiraza ima par ljudi
quote: Originally posted by zmcomics Cek, a znas da bi Akira sa ovim kvalitetom kostao 45 dinara?! Kako?!
Kad je pokretana Akira na stolu su bila dva predloga sa svim kalkulacijama, to jes finalnim cenama. Ili da ide na roto hartiji za 45 dinara i nesto vecem broju strana ili da ide ovako kako sada ide
Ima nas puno u firmi i svako radi svoj deo posla, niti imam vremena niti mi je nuzno da se petljam u sve. I ovoga, sto sam preuzeo na sebe, mi je previse Izvestaji o prodaji stizu parcijalno i po nekoliko meseci jer se radi sa preko 20 razlicitih distributera, a Stripoteka se razlicito prodaje od meseca do meseca jer ima razlicite serijale u njima. Tako da ni nepitam o prodaji. Pogotovo sto ja u glavi imam carobnu cifru od 20.000 koja je po meni realna za ex-yu trziste. Pa bi me svaki izvestaj opasno razocarao
Za 20.000 jedino su vazni niska cena i popularan strip.
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2004 : 19:42:34
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Jos uvijek me nisi uvjerio da su prava BITNO veca od 1000 Eura. Ja sam svojevremeno obavio neke razgovore oko objavljivanja Magico Venta i ni u kojoj kalkulaciji ta prava nisu bila skuplja.
Dakle priznajes da su iznad 1000 eura (iznenadi me pa resi da su izmedju 1000 i 1500) . Znas kol'ko su, nisi pod nekom obavezom poslovne tajne a ne kazes?! Ha  
Da sam ja izdavac nikad ne bih za Bonelija plati vise od 5 eura po tabli (realnije je ok 3, ali nema veze), a to je oko 470 po svesci. Ne zato sto ne postujem te radovi ali je forma takva da ne moze da se meri sa Francuskim albumima i ne moze tabla Zagora da se placa vise i li jednako kao table... Loazela, Ziroa, Marinija, Juliarda,...
quote: Originally posted by zmcomicsCene roto stampe ne znam, a i to se razlikuje od stamparije do stamparije, ovde je rec o lepljenju a nasa izdanja se vezuju zicom. jedna je cena kada radis u nekoj stampariji 15 izdanja mesecno a druga kada radis 2. Cene drasticno padaju sa velicinom tiraza...
Sve ja to znam, ali ti meni nisi odgovorio na pitanje.
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Ne znam cene stvarno. To direktor dogovara sa stamparijom. Ali isto tako mi u toj stampariji radimo jos 15 ljubavnih romana i postoje drugaciji-dugorocniji dogovori tako je odnos drugaciji nego sa nekim ko dodje sa strane. Znam samo garantovano da su neuporedivo nize nego kada se ide sa tabacnom stampom. A i posebno se placaju filmovi koji se radi na drugom mestu tako da se cene moraju sabirati.
A, k'o sto rekoh u prethodnom post, nemam vremena da to sve sabirem i racunam. Neki drugi ljudi u firmi za to dobijaju pare. Meni je vise cilj da pokusavam da se izborim za neke nove projekte i neke nove stripove.
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