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globinjo
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Croatia
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 13:15:08
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quote: Originally posted by Damjan Marcello ocajan? To je smiješno. Marcello je vjerojatno najbolji crtac Zagora, a ako se nekome i ne svida, to je subjektivna stvar. Ali objektivno govoreci, ima tehniku i osoban stil o kakvome ostali crtaci Zagora mogu samo sanjati. Dakle, ne, nikako nije ocajan.
cuj,bez uvrede,marcello je užas,chiarola je užas na kvadrat...ferri je za njih boeing 747 skupa sa stjuardesama...
...i onda kad ne bude nas bilo,stripove ce citat' naše... HAJDUK-PRVAK 2004. |
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lmszs
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Slovenia
432 Posts
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 14:11:27
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Ma daj, nemoj govorit svasta. Kao da u zagoru nema dobrih avantura, dobrih prica, naravno da ima. Ne trazim pricu o smislu zivota nego dobru i napetu avanturu, naravno.
Kicking Squeeling Gucci Little Piggy
Slažem se, da je za strip tipa Zagor - primer: prica o Helligenu (zs 941-946) vrhunska, ali ipak je to fantastika, a ako želiš dobre west price (tu so primer Zimske zmije, pa Kapetan zmija...) ali ovaj Toricelli (za mene, i koliko sam skužio na italijanskom) - to nije! Ne bih više u detalje, ja sam samo izneo svoje videnje tog i ostalih ("kod nas" neobjavljivenih) speciala, pa ne bih sad htio, da se zbog toga "zakacim" s nekome, ko misli drugacije. Ljudi... a sad odlazim ja za 14 dana na Azurnu, a kad se vratim nadam se punom kiosku stripova u Slo. (iako sam neke od Ludensa vec uspjeo nabaviti u Cro) Svim forumašima puno dobrih stripova u ovom pomalo vec vrucem ljetu, hladnog piva (ili sokova), te puno svježeg (ženskog) mesa... |
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chemako
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Croatia
758 Posts
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 14:35:03
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Markos je dobro rekao da ce svaki Zagorov specijalac prodat bez obzira na broj,radnju ili crtaca i to je istina.Ja isto kupim ove nove Zagorove epizode iako znam da cu ih procitat najviše jednom,a možda ni toliko.Ali ipak mislim da kako medu redovnim epizodama ima dobrih,loših,vrhunskih,katastrofalnih tako vjerovatno ima i medu specijalcima.Stoga se tu moglo malo povest racuna o tome pa objavit neki koji bi prihvatila "kritika i publika".
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Ramath
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Russia
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 16:08:15
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quote: Originally posted by lmszs
quote: Originally posted by Markos
Ma daj, nemoj govorit svasta. Kao da u zagoru nema dobrih avantura, dobrih prica, naravno da ima. Ne trazim pricu o smislu zivota nego dobru i napetu avanturu, naravno.
Kicking Squeeling Gucci Little Piggy
Slažem se, da je za strip tipa Zagor - primer: prica o Helligenu (zs 941-946) vrhunska, ali ipak je to fantastika, a ako želiš dobre west price (tu so primer Zimske zmije, pa Kapetan zmija...) ali ovaj Toricelli (za mene, i koliko sam skužio na italijanskom) - to nije! Ne bih više u detalje, ja sam samo izneo svoje videnje tog i ostalih ("kod nas" neobjavljivenih) speciala, pa ne bih sad htio, da se zbog toga "zakacim" s nekome, ko misli drugacije. Ljudi... a sad odlazim ja za 14 dana na Azurnu, a kad se vratim nadam se punom kiosku stripova u Slo. (iako sam neke od Ludensa vec uspjeo nabaviti u Cro) Svim forumašima puno dobrih stripova u ovom pomalo vec vrucem ljetu, hladnog piva (ili sokova), te puno svježeg (ženskog) mesa...
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ken2
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Croatia
8204 Posts
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 17:28:38
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marcello je odlican crtac, a ovaj serijal 'krvna braca' je jedan od recimo 15-20 najboljih 'kineska sekta' je slabašna, nece se drugi put citat |
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Damjan
stripovi.com suradnik
   
Italy
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 17:31:33
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quote: Originally posted by globinjo
quote: Originally posted by Damjan Marcello ocajan? To je smiješno. Marcello je vjerojatno najbolji crtac Zagora, a ako se nekome i ne svida, to je subjektivna stvar. Ali objektivno govoreci, ima tehniku i osoban stil o kakvome ostali crtaci Zagora mogu samo sanjati. Dakle, ne, nikako nije ocajan.
cuj,bez uvrede,marcello je užas,chiarola je užas na kvadrat...ferri je za njih boeing 747 skupa sa stjuardesama...
Sve ok, imaš pravo na svoj stav. Samo ponavljam, on ti subjektivno može biti grozan, ali objektivno - po nekim tehnickim standardima - je medu najboljima po pitanju Bonellijeve garde. Dakle, možeš reci da je tebi grozan, ali ne i da je loš crtac. |
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---dp---
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 23:41:53
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quote by globinjo: _______________________ cuj,bez uvrede,marcello je užas,chiarola je užas na kvadrat...ferri je za njih boeing 747 skupa sa stjuardesama... _______________________
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johnhartson
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Serbia
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 00:32:46
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Marcello je fenomenalan crtac ali ne pashe uvek Zagoru. "Nestali istrazivac" je korektan ali vec sa "Bracom po krvi" se to jasno primecuje.
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---dp---
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 05:01:40
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Marcelov Zagor je isti dr. Zistis. Kao sto su se za Ferrijevog Mister Noa svi zalili kako je isti Zagor, takva stvar se desava mnogim crtacima. Meni je stvarno Marcelov Zagor ustvari Dr. Zistis ili Svemirski patroldzija u Zagorovoj majici i to u nekim bezveze pantalonama koje nemaju nikakve veze sa pravim Zagorovim pantalonama... (bljak) |
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globinjo
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 06:26:10
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quote: Originally posted by Damjan
quote: Originally posted by globinjo
quote: Originally posted by Damjan Marcello ocajan? To je smiješno. Marcello je vjerojatno najbolji crtac Zagora, a ako se nekome i ne svida, to je subjektivna stvar. Ali objektivno govoreci, ima tehniku i osoban stil o kakvome ostali crtaci Zagora mogu samo sanjati. Dakle, ne, nikako nije ocajan.
cuj,bez uvrede,marcello je užas,chiarola je užas na kvadrat...ferri je za njih boeing 747 skupa sa stjuardesama...
Sve ok, imaš pravo na svoj stav. Samo ponavljam, on ti subjektivno može biti grozan, ali objektivno - po nekim tehnickim standardima - je medu najboljima po pitanju Bonellijeve garde. Dakle, možeš reci da je tebi grozan, ali ne i da je loš crtac.
dapace,te epizode su meni odlicne,ali mi ne paše crtež...jebi ga,sto ljudi-sto ukusa!
...i onda kad ne bude nas bilo,stripove ce citat' naše... HAJDUK-PRVAK 2004. |
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Orloff
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Croatia
396 Posts
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 09:46:11
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Meni je specijalac ok,prica je malo naivna, ali kod vecine Zagora ja tako, a crtez mi( za razliku od nekih drugih crtaca) nije toliko smetao! Sve u svemu prolazna ocjena! |
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nenno
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 10:13:56
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Nema se sta birat koji ce specijalac izac kad ce ionako svi kupiti ovaj koji izadje a ionako ce uvijek biti zadovoljnih i nezadovoljnih sa ovim ili onim specijalcem (evo meni su npr. 5 i 7 koje lmszs hvali bezvezni. Mislim, crta Ferri, da, pa sta?!). Dakle, potpuno je svejedno:-)
Kicking Squeeling Gucci Little Piggy
tu si u pravu. svaki strip fan ce kupiti svakog zagora koji se pojavi na kioscima, dapace ja bi vjerojatno kupio i gotovu juhu na kojoj je zagorov logo. zato nek zagor i dalje izlazi i sa lošijim i sa dobrim epizodama. a što se tice na primjedbe da Marcellov zagor lici na dr Žistisa, tu se slažem, ali ocito svaki crtac prilagodava zagora svom stilu, pa kod nekih crtaža zagor pomalo gubi svoju osobnost koju mu je dao Ferri. ali kod nekih crtaca uopce ne prepoznajem zagora. da nije obucen u zagovoru odjecu teško bi se moglo reci da je to on. |
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Damjan
stripovi.com suradnik
   
Italy
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 12:07:46
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quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
Marcelov Zagor je isti dr. Zistis. Kao sto su se za Ferrijevog Mister Noa svi zalili kako je isti Zagor, takva stvar se desava mnogim crtacima. Meni je stvarno Marcelov Zagor ustvari Dr. Zistis ili Svemirski patroldzija u Zagorovoj majici i to u nekim bezveze pantalonama koje nemaju nikakve veze sa pravim Zagorovim pantalonama... (bljak)
Ma, tko vam je kriv što ste rigidni. Kakve veze ima jesu li hlace iste ili ne? Stvar je u tome da se prihvati i nešto malo drugacije. Marcello je osvježio Zagora svojim pristupom. Ne moraju valjda svi replicirati Ferrijevu viziju? |
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globinjo
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 12:11:25
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quote: Originally posted by Damjan Ma, tko vam je kriv što ste rigidni. Kakve veze ima jesu li hlace iste ili drugacije? Stvar je u tome da se prihvati i nešto malo drugacije. Marcello je osvježio Zagora svojim pristupom. Ne moraju valjda svi replicirati Ferrijevu viziju?
ne moraju replicirati ferrija,dapace,ali kockaste glave,iskrivljeni nosevi,produžene ruke mi nisu po volji...nema zagorovog stripa kojeg necu uzeti,ali mogu komentirati da mi se ne svida...jebote,šta skacete,pa nisu vam marcello i chiarolla braca 
...i onda kad ne bude nas bilo,stripove ce citat' naše... HAJDUK-PRVAK 2004. |
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---dp---
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 15:43:31
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quote by Damjan: ___________________ Ma, tko vam je kriv što ste rigidni. Kakve veze ima jesu li hlace iste ili ne? Stvar je u tome da se prihvati i nešto malo drugacije. Marcello je osvježio Zagora svojim pristupom. Ne moraju valjda svi replicirati Ferrijevu viziju? ___________________
"Osvezili" su ga i Chiarolla, Cassaro i D'Archangelo svojim pristupom... (bljak) |
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VALTER
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Croatia
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 17:29:09
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Moj komentar ovogodisnjeg Zagor Specijala: Protiv crteza nemam nista, ali prica... Valjda je to premijerni uradak scenarista Peloa. Neoriginalno, predvidljivo i plitko. |
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Curunir
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/07/2004 : 02:16:48
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Da, kupovat ce se svi Zagori, ali ipak nije svejedno sto se izdaje, nije onima koji vole DOBROG Zagora, jer ipak tog dobrog jos uvijek ima. Ovo je katastrofalno losa epizoda s ocajnim, sterilnim i vostanim crtezom (Chiarolla i Laurenti su odlicni naspram Torricelija!, a meni su oni loshi) i ultramegaturbodebilnim scenarijom. Naime, kao nekakva arkadna igrica iz osamdesetih na Commodoreu. Kako se tako nesto moze napisati 2003/2004???????? Zato Bernarde ne stedi Cico specijalce, jer koliko god bili ocajni, Zagor to ocito moze jos gore!!!!!
Nice view from Orthanc inspite of these psychotic trees. |
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---dp---
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Curunir
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Posted - 03/07/2004 : 02:47:31
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Moze se dp, moze itekako! Jer ja od Cika ne ocekujem vise ama bas nista, a zaluta i katkad koja fora. On ide na policu iz nostalgije. Ovaj Zagor nema niti toliko....a od Zagor specijalca nekako ocekujem barem jedva natprosjecnu epizodu. Da ne govorimo o lanjskoj.....
Nice view from Orthanc inspite of these psychotic trees. |
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Dr. Westax
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/07/2004 : 07:13:28
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Istina. Nije nesto ovaj novi specijalac. Prilikom citanja, skoro sam dva puta zaspao, a nisam bio umoran. Prilicno dosadno i predvidljivo.
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chemako
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/07/2004 : 08:01:30
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Ja sam procitao tog specijalca.Malo mi je bolji od "Povratak Kejna" kojeg sam procitao do 50 stranice,a dalje nisam mogao.Ovoga sam u tri puta ipak uspio dovest do kraja.Sada se tek vidi kvalitet "Andela smrti". Ne znam stvarno kao se odabiru ovi specijalci,ali najbolje je po meni da iduci put krene od specijalca br.3 pa dalje po redu. |
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---dp---
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Posted - 03/07/2004 : 08:06:36
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Pa, ja do skoro nisam mogao da zamislim da moze da mi se desi da ne procitam neki Zagorov strip, ali bas smo skoro spominjali onog "Obojenog coveka", a rekoh tad da jos neke nisam uspeo da procitam do kraja. Ipak, malo mi je neverovatno da takav ispadne specijalac. Obicno je 160 stranica upravo dobra mera za lepu pricu. |
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globinjo
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/07/2004 : 08:48:01
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quote: Originally posted by chemako .Sada se tek vidi kvalitet "Andela smrti".
e vidiš,meni je ovaj sp katastrofa...
...i onda kad ne bude nas bilo,stripove ce citat' naše... HAJDUK-PRVAK 2004. |
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chemako
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/07/2004 : 09:10:40
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Nisi u pravu Globinjo.Ti gledaš samo crtež ako nije Ferri onda ništa.Pogledaj malo radnju tog specijalca on je po meni najprije realistican i napet dok je ovaj toliko predvidiv da mu je trebalo još dvi-tri borbe i moga ga je razvuc na 260 stranica. Ja jedino vjerujem da je broj 15 gori od njega. |
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