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DeeCay
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wiskey
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Posted - 28/03/2007 : 19:16:37
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300 mi je super izdanje. Na nivou ostalih koje izdaje Beli Put. Ali (uvijek taj ali), strip me uopce nije dojmio. Možda je to posljedica prevelike reklame, pa onda prevelikog ocekivanja, ali meni taj strip nije za sam vrh. Negdje po sredini, dao bih mu 3 (od 1 do 5). Možda se neki nece složiti, ali ovo je moje subjektivno mišljenje, a o ukusima se ne raspravlja. Nikomu ne želim prat mozak, ali meni sam strip (ne crtež) ima jedva prolaz. |
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Duh_koji_hoda
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Posted - 28/03/2007 : 22:45:40
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ja se slazem, Miller ima gomilu boljih stvari...
________________________ "Nikad nisam mogao da utvrdim koja me je od padavicarskih ekipa najvise palila. Metalke, pankerke ili hipici. Mogao si medju njima da nadjes samo najruznije i najbolje ribe na svetu. Sredina nije postojala. Carobni svet rokenrola." |
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wiskey
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Posted - 29/03/2007 : 09:01:49
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Za film 300 imam mišljenje osobe kojoj vrlo vjerujem, a ona kaže da je film MRAK. Kaže da su glumljene scene tako fantasticno isprepletene sa kompjuterskom animacijom, da se smrzneš. OBAVEZNO pogledati kada dode, na moju odgovornost. |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 29/03/2007 : 17:36:27
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quote: Originally posted by wiskey
Za film 300 imam mišljenje osobe kojoj vrlo vjerujem, a ona kaže da je film MRAK. Kaže da su glumljene scene tako fantasticno isprepletene sa kompjuterskom animacijom, da se smrzneš. OBAVEZNO pogledati kada dode, na moju odgovornost.
Znaci da su racunalni efekti, kostimografija i scenografija odlicni, no što je s pricom i scenarijem, grcka klasika + Miller, a?
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Sawaar
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beli luk
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Posted - 29/03/2007 : 20:15:08
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Gledao sam sinoc film, stvarno je dobar, ali ipak mi je ostao gorak ukus Holivuda. To se pre svega oseca u raskoracima filma i stripa-daleko od toga da sam neki freak koji zahteva da se svaka scena iz stripa prenese na film, ali koliko je Miller uspeo da prikaze Spartance kao nadljudske ratnike bez emocija, toliko se u filmu tezi upravo toj emotivnoj strani ratnika. I tu je najveci kiks, i u poprilicnoj meri protivrecnost filma-dok se s jedne strane, one stripovske, predstavljaju kao bezosecajni, toliko se u filmu pokazuju njihove emocije. Ima tu svakavih ljigavstina, da sad ne prepricavam, ali stvarno je zbunjujuce kad u jednoj sceni oni marsiraju a narator ih opisuje kao vojsku bez mane i straha, a u sledecoj oni placu! U svakom slucaju, mora da se pogleda. Scene borbi su FANTASTICNE! Ubedljivo nesto najbolje sto sam ikada video na filmu. Uopste nije ono uobicajeno da heroj mase macem a neprijateljski borci se trkaju ko ce pre da se nabode na njegov mac, vec se bas vide neki uvezbani pokreti i neka logika u toj borbi(nije da sam ja neki vitez i da imam neki bodycount, ali videcete u filmu). Namece se tu i uporedjivanje Sin City-a i 300, i moj glas tu ipak ide Sin City-u.
Serem bajno smrdi trajno. |
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 29/03/2007 : 20:17:28
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quote: Originally posted by Duh_koji_hoda
ja se slazem, Miller ima gomilu boljih stvari...
Scenaristicki - skoro sve je bolje. Sto se tice crteza... nisam bas siguran.
P.S. Odakle ti je ovaj novi sig?  |
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Duh_koji_hoda
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 14:43:02
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quote: Originally posted by Vlaadisha
quote: Originally posted by Duh_koji_hoda
ja se slazem, Miller ima gomilu boljih stvari...
P.S. Odakle ti je ovaj novi sig? 
od Markeca Vidojkovica...
________________________ "Nikad nisam mogao da utvrdim koja me je od padavicarskih ekipa najvise palila. Metalke, pankerke ili hipici. Mogao si medju njima da nadjes samo najruznije i najbolje ribe na svetu. Sredina nije postojala. Carobni svet rokenrola." |
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Renky
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 14:55:12
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quote: Originally posted by beli luk Ima tu svakavih ljigavstina, da sad ne prepricavam, ali stvarno je zbunjujuce kad u jednoj sceni oni marsiraju a narator ih opisuje kao vojsku bez mane i straha, a u sledecoj oni placu!
Ok, ali zašto bi plakanje bilo odraz straha ili mana. Nisu opisani kao vojska bez osjecaja. Dapace, krecu u bitku kako bi odbranili "posljednju svjetsku nadu za razum i pravdu." Po meni je to osjecaj a ne mana ili odraz straha.
Graficki, crtež je baš onakav kakav paše za ovakav strip, kolor pogoden a scenaristicki odlicno prikazano na poprilicno malo stranica. Zadovoljan sam ali mi frmat pomalo smeta no kao takav dozvoljava "široke" scene. Iznad prosjeka ali ljutili se neki ili ne, fr-be produkcija ima puno boljih ostvarenja. Možda je to stvar navike ali mi je euforija oko ovog stripa pomalo pretjerana. No, kažem, stvar ukusa.
www.sd-gradac.hr ( nogomet ) www.gradac.hr |
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darth-vader
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 17:46:32
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da je scenaristicki jaci, bio bi genijalan ovako se izvlaci samo na vizualnom polju ( to me naravno ne smeta :) )
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axle munshine
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Serbia
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 18:24:39
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quote: Originally posted by Renky
quote: Originally posted by beli luk Ima tu svakavih ljigavstina, da sad ne prepricavam, ali stvarno je zbunjujuce kad u jednoj sceni oni marsiraju a narator ih opisuje kao vojsku bez mane i straha, a u sledecoj oni placu!
Ok, ali zašto bi plakanje bilo odraz straha ili mana. Nisu opisani kao vojska bez osjecaja. Dapace, krecu u bitku kako bi odbranili "posljednju svjetsku nadu za razum i pravdu." Po meni je to osjecaj a ne mana ili odraz straha.
Graficki, crtež je baš onakav kakav paše za ovakav strip, kolor pogoden a scenaristicki odlicno prikazano na poprilicno malo stranica. Zadovoljan sam ali mi frmat pomalo smeta no kao takav dozvoljava "široke" scene. Iznad prosjeka ali ljutili se neki ili ne, fr-be produkcija ima puno boljih ostvarenja. Možda je to stvar navike ali mi je euforija oko ovog stripa pomalo pretjerana. No, kažem, stvar ukusa.
Podrzavam... ...Bravo Renky...
www.sd-gradac.hr ( nogomet ) www.gradac.hr
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draskomisterno
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 07:24:55
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najbolje ekranizovan strip svih vremena,onaj ko nalazi mane ovom filmu a citao je strip..s takvom budalom ja nemam o cemu da pricam! OBAVEZNO GLEDATI film 300!
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beli luk
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 07:58:41
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quote: Originally posted by draskomisterno
najbolje ekranizovan strip svih vremena,onaj ko nalazi mane ovom filmu a citao je strip..s takvom budalom ja nemam o cemu da pricam! OBAVEZNO GLEDATI film 300!
drale
HM, euforija na nivou osnovne skole... Mada ne znam zasto me nazivas budalom samo zato sto mi film nije ispunio sva ocekivanja. Po meni u samom filmu ima kontradikcije, jer se u jednoj sceni predstavljaju kao roboti, a u drugoj kao "osecajni". To mi je previse holivudski, kao i "najjaci placu". Ne verujem da bi jedan spartanski kralj dozvolio da mu kapetan cmizdri pred svim ostalim ljudima. Kako to utice na moral ostalih? Bolji mi je strip, ja obozavam Miller-a, a ovaj film i dalje ostaje kao jako dobar.
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DeeCay
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 12:05:03
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Ko što rekoh na nekom drugom topicu glede filma.
Epska prica o odvažnosti, slavi i junaštvu ispricana na epski nacin... Prizori bitka savršeni, velicanstveni i dižu adrenalin. Tipicni Millerov nacin naracije je prisutan u monolozima likova. Pretenciozno? Mislim da ne, uklapa se u onu prvu recenicu koju spomenuh.
Da se osvrnem na belog luka u pogledu onog plakanja. Osim njihovih štitova, najviše u životu Spartancima je znacilo i muško nasljede, odnosno sin, i to živ (i još ako ti direktno spasi život scenu prije). Otac je plakao, istina, no nije niti pobjegao, ni posrnuo pred neprijateljem. Kolko god ljudi bili roboski istrenirani, ipak su ljudi. Jedan od 300 znaci iznimka koja potvrduje pravilo, barem po meni. Ne osvrcuci se striktno baš na strip, mislim da film funkcionira.
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dcopic
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 12:55:19
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Sve u svemu, jedva cekam da pogledam film! Nadam se vrlo uskoro.
'Moj je dojam, za koji doista nemam egzaktnih argumenata, da nigdje nema toliko banalnosti i trivijalnsti kao u tekstovima na ekranima'
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wanderer
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 14:47:22
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quote: Originally posted by draskomisterno
najbolje ekranizovan strip svih vremena,onaj ko nalazi mane ovom filmu a citao je strip..s takvom budalom ja nemam o cemu da pricam! OBAVEZNO GLEDATI film 300!
pogledao sam za vikend film, OK film, ali ne bas toliko koliko ti pricas, previse je tu specijalnih efekata, previse se osjeca utjecaj Hollywoda, previse je sve "plasticno"... cak nemam zelju da ga opet ponovo gledam...
od novijih strip ekranizacija meni osobno je Ghost Rider puno bolji... |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 15:09:57
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Cuj, mislim da je blue screen tehnika najpogodnija za snimanje tih filmova, logicno je i bilo pretpostaviti da ce rabiti istu tehniku kao i kod Sin Cityja. Snime li ikad npr. Dark Knight Returns, bit ce jako slican ili ovome ili Sin Cityju, a Millerove struje svijesti ne možeš izbjeci. Snyderov prijašnji film bio je nabrijani remake Dawn of The Dead-a i to dosta dobra, pa mislim da i dalje nastavlja u nizu dobrih filmova. Negdje sam procitao da mu je ovaj film bio veeeliko olakšanje jer je krv bila samo na ekranu, umjetna, dok se kod Dawna jednostavno utapao u hektolitrima fizicke krvi.
Oni koji su citali 300, jesu li lajnovi direktno preneseni na film? Ono velicanje, monolozi jel to sve isto pretrpano i u stripu? Kako je tip rjecit, mislim da je...
Kad nas vidiš, ne bi rekao da možemo stvarati svjetove, zar ne? Yu-bi-tu? Mi-tu! |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 15:33:32
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Eh da, kad smo vec tu, da pitam jel vam ponekad ne ide na živce ili izgleda malkice pretenciozno ili kao seruckanje pojedini dijelovi kad autori ispuštaju dušu i prepuštaju se struji svijesti? Ili volite kad autori tako pišu i zapravo podižu strip tekstualnu naraciju na jedan viši nivo?
Kad nas vidiš, ne bi rekao da možemo stvarati svjetove, zar ne? Yu-bi-tu? Mi-tu! |
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wiskey
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 17:11:36
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Iako još nisam vidio film, moram nešto reci. Podržavam Belog luka, jer su Spartanci najvjerojatnije bili vrlo nemilosrdni. Pa, ucili smo o njihovom odgoju (spartanski odgoj je ušao u enciklopedije kao okrutan i bez emocija), zatim, ako bi na djetetu našli bilo kakav feler, odmah niz liticu, a isto tako i sa "starcima" iznad 4 banke (ili malo više, ne sjecam se baš). E, pa sad, ljudi koji rade takve stvari, rasplacu se...? Kako da ne! |
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Toninho
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DeeCay
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 17:35:17
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Zažmirite radi mogucih spoilera
quote: Originally posted by wiskey
Iako još nisam vidio film, moram nešto reci. Podržavam Belog luka, jer su Spartanci najvjerojatnije bili vrlo nemilosrdni. Pa, ucili smo o njihovom odgoju (spartanski odgoj je ušao u enciklopedije kao okrutan i bez emocija), zatim, ako bi na djetetu našli bilo kakav feler, odmah niz liticu, a isto tako i sa "starcima" iznad 4 banke (ili malo više, ne sjecam se baš). E, pa sad, ljudi koji rade takve stvari, rasplacu se...? Kako da ne!
Sve je to tocno, ali... Izvadili ste iz konteksta ulomak i komentirate izvan konteksta... A što ako je pisac scenarija htio prikazati da i najjaci mogu zaplakati (ne cmizdriti i tuliti, vec zaplakati)? Naime, o plakanju govorimo kod kraljeve ostarjele desne ruke radi njegovog prerano umrlog sina. Koji cak nije casno umro vec onako bezveze... S druge strane, zašto onda i Leonida nije reko ni rijec do kraja cak i kad je imao priliku po zadnji put oprostiti se s ženom? I svi ostali. Radije cu se prikloniti jednoj ostarjeloj iznimci koja potvrduje pravilo.
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wiskey
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 17:56:37
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Pa da, to što Leonida nije rekao ženi ni rijec, a znao je da se možda nece vratiti, to i ide u prilog prici o njihovoj neemotivnosti. Takav place samo ako mu nešto upadne u oko. |
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CortoMaltese
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Posted - 02/04/2007 : 18:17:36
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quote: Originally posted by wanderer
pogledao sam za vikend film, OK film, ali ne bas toliko koliko ti pricas, previse je tu specijalnih efekata, previse se osjeca utjecaj Hollywoda, previse je sve "plasticno"... cak nemam zelju da ga opet ponovo gledam...
Slazem se. Preumjetno djeluje. |
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