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kreŠa
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Poli
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Slovenia
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Posted - 11/12/2009 : 20:04:25
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Aha, totalno sam zaboravio, sta znaci nedelja na srpskom, sledece nedelje - kao next week a ne kao next Sunday. :) Ok, znacu u Bg dobivate/ju ove VC stripove 3 dana prije "regularne izdaje cetvrtkom", ostali moraju pricekati. Sve jasno sada.
Dobro, mozete nastaviti sa otiskom, koricama, logotipom i maestralnom Blazini. :D |
Anything is possible dec d uej Be the Change You Want to See
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Mhejl
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 11/12/2009 : 23:03:30
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quote: Originally posted by Elesar
Dobrodosao na forum, Pravedni! Potpuno si u pravu sto se toga tice, a koga nesto vise zanima o tome, moze poblize da pogleda u knjizi "Kratak izvestaj o unistavanju Indija" od Bartolomea de Las Kasasa, koja je prevedena i kod nas. A ima takodje jos par knjiga o tome... U svakom slucaju, nevidjeno zverstvo. Kazu da je cak i Spanska Inkvizicija bila zaprepascena brutalnoscu, dok je ona sama bila relativno blaga prema starosedeocima (naravno, uzvesi u obzir "delovanje" Inkvizicije u Evropi ).
Da, a zlato oteto od naroda Amerike je omogucilo Španiji da postane velika svjetska sila. Medutim, citao sam jedan zanimljiv clanak u kome autor istice i da je ovo (pre)brzo i (pre)lako bogacenje Španija imalo i negativnih posljedica po njih. Zbog ogromnog priliva zlata, Španci su u prilicnoj mjeri zapostavili domacu produkciju, kupujuci vec gotove proizvode od drugih nacija. Naravno, trebali su pretpostaviti da ni to bogastvo nece vjecno trajati... Nisam siguran da li je ovaj podatak sasvim vjerodostojan, ali cu ga ipak navesti: dakle, dio klase stanovništva koja se naglo obogatila i ''progospodila'' (pokondirene tikve, haha) je sebi kupovao neki vrstu dokumenta koji im je davao plemicku titulu najnižeg ranga. I tako bi se mnogi odricali fizickog rada, pokušavajuci da žive kao velika gospoda.
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tumen
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Serbia
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Posted - 11/12/2009 : 23:17:06
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Hehe,Španija je u to vreme pod Karlom Petim i Filipom Drugim cak tri puta bankrotirala.Zlato je bilo obezvredeno,ali i troškovi koji su rimsko-nemacki car,španski kralj i vojvoda Burgundije(sve to zajedno i još ponešto) Karlo V i njegov sin španski kralj Filip Drugi imali vezano za mnogobrojne ratove i raskošan život,nadmašili su sve prihode iz prekookeanskih zemalja.Ubrzo zatim,nizozemski posedi su proglasili nezavisnost i njihovi i engleski brodovi i pre svega gusari su vecinu španskih galija pljackali i potapali,tako da je Španija došla u još težu situaciju,da bi posle propasti nepobedive armade pocela nezadrživo slabi,a posle Tridesetogodišnjeg rata i da potpuno propada.A bila je Španija vodeca sila toga vremena.A da su je vodili vladari realniji i pragmaticniji,pre svega pravi Španci i više usmereni na špansku krunu nego na ostale laskave titule,možda bi mapa današnjeg sveta i odnos snaga bio drugaciji i umesto anglo-saksonske imali bi hispano-latinsku dominaciju. |
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Mhejl
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 11/12/2009 : 23:39:27
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Da. Takode, Inkvizicija je usporila špansku nauku i kulturu. Španija je ostala poštedena potresa Lutera Kinga, ali je izgubila korak sa dostignucima tadašnje savremene Evrope. Sve u svemu, žalosna prica. |
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Grujah.
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 01:44:43
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quote: Originally posted by kreŠa
U Beogradu se izdanja koja izlaze cetvrtkom mogu naci ponedeljkom, iste nedelje, znaci pre. Kod mene stripovi dolaze petkom ili ponedeljkom.
Utorkom! Gde to stize ponedeljkom? O.o |
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kico
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Croatia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 09:36:53
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Tex 16 je najocajnije tiskan strip kojeg sam vidija posli vremena ZS i LMSa!
Jel tu gotova prica,da ne otpakiram uzalud? |
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Going-Going
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Serbia
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kreŠa
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pravedni
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 12:49:56
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Da se jos jednom pridruzim kolegama u diskusiji po pitanjima osvajanja Srednje i Juzne Amerike od strane Konkvistadora iz Spanije...Jedno od dela koje na najbol;ji nacin opisuje taj period je Preskotova knjiga "Osvajanje Meksika",gde je do pojeddinosti opisan osvajacki pohod Kortezove horde pljackasa. Jedna zanimljiva okolnost je isla na ruku Spancima i Kortezu - mislilo se da je on reinkarnacija dobrog boga Kecelkoatla,koji je tamosnje domoroce naucio mnogo korisnih stvari i bio mitski utermeljitelj njihove civilizacije...U njihovim legendama se spominje da je bradati bog bele boje koze otisao preko mora,ali da ce se jednog dana vratiti...Na njihovu nesrecu,umesto Kecalkoatla dosla je surova banda razbojnika koja je unistila njihovu civilizaciju,namecuci im verovanja strana njihovom bicu i skoro ih sasvim unistila nametnuvsi im surovi rezim eksploatacije...A sve to se cinilo u ime Hrista i njihovih katolickih velicanstava,vladara Spanije"...Mnogi su zaboravili da 1492.godine nije otkrivena samo Amerika (za koju se u prvo vreme mislilo da je Indija),vec i godina kada je u Spaniji zauzeto poslednje muslimansko uporiste - Grenada,a u isto vreme su iz Spanije proterani i svi Jevreji koji su odbili da se pokrste...Kolumbove ladje su tako u isto vreme krenule puit "Novog sveta",a nesrecne muslimanske i jevrejske izbeglice put Severne Afrike...I sta reci..."Historia magistra vitae est!!! |
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pravedni
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 12:58:40
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Dragi prijatelju Mhejl,potkrala ti se u tekstu verovatno nenamerna greska - nije Luter King vec Martin luter,verski reformator iz 16.veka. Martin Luter King je ubijen 1968.godine...Ne zameri,ovo napisah samo da ne zbunimo manje upucene u doticnu problematiku...Veliki pozdrav iz Beceja svim ljubiteljima strip-umetnosti!!! |
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pravedni
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 13:06:39
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Ima li ikakve nade da "Veseli cetvrtak" pocne sa objavljivanjem serije "Price sa Divljeg zapada",koija je nekada davno izlazila u "Zlatnoj seriji" i "Lunovom magnus stripu",i to hronoloski,od prve epizode? Sigurno bi jos njihovih citalaca pozdravilo taj korak,a ne samo ja...Serijal je kvalitetan,prati zivot porodice Mekdonald-Adams kroz sve bitne dogadjaje koji su se desili u USA tokom devetnaestog veka...Edukativno i poucno stivo!!! |
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Renky
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Croatia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 13:41:43
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Sigurno bi se netko naša zainteresiran jer je to vrlo kvalitetan vestern i jedan od boljih Bonelli serijala ali su pirati sve objavili. I ne toliko loše, tako da je mislim tu interes izdavaca prestao... ako je postojao. |
"Zlocin je spomenuti reci "velikani" i "umetnost" u kontekstu sa Zagorom, veruj mi..." - Manhunter |
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Bruce Springsteen
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 14:43:02
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quote: Originally posted by pravedni
Ima li ikakve nade da "Veseli cetvrtak" pocne sa objavljivanjem serije "Price sa Divljeg zapada",koija je nekada davno izlazila u "Zlatnoj seriji" i "Lunovom magnus stripu",i to hronoloski,od prve epizode? Sigurno bi jos njihovih citalaca pozdravilo taj korak,a ne samo ja...Serijal je kvalitetan,prati zivot porodice Mekdonald-Adams kroz sve bitne dogadjaje koji su se desili u USA tokom devetnaestog veka...Edukativno i poucno stivo!!!
Apsolutno podržavam tvoju ideju, mada iskretno sam skeptican po tom pitanju Evo ovde imaš topic u vezi PSDZ http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=33143&whichpage=1
PS. Sa malim zakašnjenjm, dobro došo na forum |
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Imrahil
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Serbia
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kreŠa
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kasper
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 15:25:03
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Otvara se nova Trafika na Banjici, 5 minuta lakog hoda od mog doma. Taman klinci da imaju gde trositi pare dobijene na uzinu . Ups, il sam samo to ja radio u kraju u poslednjih 20 godina. |
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Poli
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Slovenia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 16:00:30
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Tek sada sam zapazio, ali ove godine bi znaci trebalo biti 14 brojeva MN!
Kronologija u 2009: MN VC 12 "Na tragu gospodina Kaplana" (1.01.2009.) MN VC 13 "Oci u tami" (29.01.2009.) MN VC 14 "Na ivici ambisa" (26.02.2009.) MN VC 15 "Noc žrtvovanja" (26.03.2009.) MN VC 16 "Pobunjenik Huanito" (23.04.2009.) MN VC 17 "Odblesci bitke" (21.05.2009.) MN VC 18 "Nemilosrdni lov" (18.06.2009.) MN VC 19 "Prijatelj u opasnosti" (16.07.2009.) MN VC 20 "Gringov izazov" (13.08.2009.) MN VC 21 "Teror Rio Negra" (10.09.2009.) MN VC 22 "U piratskoj jazbini" (8.10.2009.) MN VC 23 "Smrt u Manausu" (5.11.2009.) MN VC 24 "Senka škorpiona" (3.12.2009.)
I sledeci 25 broj 31. 12. 2009.
Heh he, jedan izasao 1. 1. 2009 a drugi 31. 12. 2009. 
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anto
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 17:34:05
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quote: Originally posted by pravedni
Dragi prijatelju Mhejl,potkrala ti se u tekstu verovatno nenamerna greska - nije Luter King vec Martin luter,verski reformator iz 16.veka. Martin Luter King je ubijen 1968.godine...Ne zameri,ovo napisah samo da ne zbunimo manje upucene u doticnu problematiku...Veliki pozdrav iz Beceja svim ljubiteljima strip-umetnosti!!!
Bože, koja blamaža! |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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kasper
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 17:40:48
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quote: Originally posted by anto
quote: Originally posted by pravedni
Dragi prijatelju Mhejl,potkrala ti se u tekstu verovatno nenamerna greska - nije Luter King vec Martin luter,verski reformator iz 16.veka. Martin Luter King je ubijen 1968.godine...Ne zameri,ovo napisah samo da ne zbunimo manje upucene u doticnu problematiku...Veliki pozdrav iz Beceja svim ljubiteljima strip-umetnosti!!!
Bože, koja blamaža!
Delujes potreseno. Mhejl, stidi se, sta to uradi coveku  |
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Imrahil
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 17:45:35
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quote: Originally posted by kreŠa
Ima ih u Alan Fordu, 275 dinara komad, do pre par meseci je bilo svih brojeva. Ima ih i u Beopolisu i Stubovima Kulture, za Darkvud nisam siguran.
Ma ja bih to ispocetka da neko objavljuje, mrzi me da skupljam sve odjednom  |
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Lord Vader89
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France
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 18:00:11
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quote: Originally posted by anto
quote: Originally posted by pravedni
Dragi prijatelju Mhejl,potkrala ti se u tekstu verovatno nenamerna greska - nije Luter King vec Martin luter,verski reformator iz 16.veka. Martin Luter King je ubijen 1968.godine...Ne zameri,ovo napisah samo da ne zbunimo manje upucene u doticnu problematiku...Veliki pozdrav iz Beceja svim ljubiteljima strip-umetnosti!!!
Bože, koja blamaža!
daj, pusti coveka, ni ti nisi video dok mu nije skrenuta paznja  |
Potpis u dva reda, prema pravilniku: Vader je, kao i uvek, u pravu. ; john connor ; 2022 A.D. |
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Mhejl
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 18:41:24
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
quote: Originally posted by anto
quote: Originally posted by pravedni
Dragi prijatelju Mhejl,potkrala ti se u tekstu verovatno nenamerna greska - nije Luter King vec Martin luter,verski reformator iz 16.veka. Martin Luter King je ubijen 1968.godine...Ne zameri,ovo napisah samo da ne zbunimo manje upucene u doticnu problematiku...Veliki pozdrav iz Beceja svim ljubiteljima strip-umetnosti!!!
Bože, koja blamaža!
Delujes potreseno. Mhejl, stidi se, sta to uradi coveku 
Ajoj, kakav lapsus, hocu u zemlju da propadnem...
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tumen
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 19:26:41
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Španija je bila najžešci protivnik reformacije i ucenja Martina Lutera uz naravno rimsko-nemackog cara i to ceo jedan vek.Šmalkaldenski ratovi koji su vodeni po nastanku ucenja Martina Lutera nisu doneli uspeha,ali je put protestantizmu i partikularnosti i nezavisnosti odredenih država i državica utro Tridesetogodišnji rat(1618-1648).Medutim,treba napomenuti i to da za procvat protestantske religije veci znacaj ima Kalvinizam nego Luteranizam,Kalvinisti su uglavnom izneli glavni teret borbe,a možda i najznacajniju ulogu u tome je imala Nizozemska i svi oni ucenji ljudi i umetnici koji su se tamo skrivali od progona.Tamo je i bilo najviše kalvinista.Mnogi kalvinisti su inace i bili protiv luteranskog ucenja. A što se tice španske vojske koja je na kopnu bila prakticno nepobediva sa svojom cuvenom kvadrat formacijom(preuzetom od Švajcaraca inace),i ta saga je završena sa Tridesetogodišnjim ratom. |
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anto
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 20:30:59
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quote: Originally posted by Mhejl
quote: Originally posted by kasper
quote: Originally posted by anto
quote: Originally posted by pravedni
Dragi prijatelju Mhejl,potkrala ti se u tekstu verovatno nenamerna greska - nije Luter King vec Martin luter,verski reformator iz 16.veka. Martin Luter King je ubijen 1968.godine...Ne zameri,ovo napisah samo da ne zbunimo manje upucene u doticnu problematiku...Veliki pozdrav iz Beceja svim ljubiteljima strip-umetnosti!!!
Bože, koja blamaža!
Delujes potreseno. Mhejl, stidi se, sta to uradi coveku 
Ajoj, kakav lapsus, hocu u zemlju da propadnem...
Kao što kaže Sale Norvežanin, ne bih video ni ja da nam Pravedni nije skrenuo pažnju Sale, opet se pecaš na moje pošalice ? |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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