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johnhartson
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Serbia
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 Posted - 10/11/2012 : 03:51:20
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| Ne kapiram zasto je to bilo kljucno. Na potpuno isti nacin se onda moze izvesti tvrdnja da je dobio izbore glasovima edukovanog stanovnistva. |
Until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes - dis a war |
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Beva
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
5804 Posts
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 11:03:17
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Originally posted by johnhartson
Tabela je odgovor na komentare (sa procentima) da je Obama pobedio jer je dobio glasove od ne-belog stanovnistva. Cudno kako u tome nisi video nikakav fasizam.
Obama je dobioizbore na rasnom kljucu, i belim imigrantima ....
Evo ti statistike, pa zakljuci...
White persons, percent, 2011 (a) 78.1%
Black persons, percent, 2011 (a) 13.1%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2011 (a) 1.2%
Asian persons, percent, 2011 (a) 5.0%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander persons, percent, 2011 (a) 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2011 2.3%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino Origin, percent, 2011 (b) 16.7%
White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2011 63.4% |
Jubilarni Polo 10!http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51213 |
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Mairosu
Advanced Member
6689 Posts
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 13:58:44
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Medju odgovorima...
"I'm hearing that a lot of people are threatening to leave the country because of Obama's re-election and America's liberal turn. They're free to do so if they wish but there are a few things these people should know before they pack their bags: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and all of Europe have universal healthcare (aka, socialized medicine); they all have higher taxes than the US; evolution is taught in all their schools; private gun ownership is banned or heavily restricted in each; gay couples have legal recognition in all, can marry in most and will marry soon in all; abortion is legal in all; all are racially and ethnically diverse and, in the case of Australia, they have a leader who is an unmarried atheist woman living in sin with her boyfriend.
On the other hand, Saudi Arabia and Iran have no taxes, or very low taxes, respectively; neither allows the teaching of evolution; both require prayer in schools; neither allows gay rights, especially not gay marriage; neither allows abortion; women in both countries know their place and don't complain about it; everybody and his brother owns a gun; both are theocracies run strictly by the laws of the old testament; and both have populations with very few black people and no Mexicans. It's practically paradise! Conservative Heaven on Earth!
Unfortunately, even Saudi Arabia and Iran have socialized medicine, but hey, nobody's absolutely perfect." |
Ko igra za raju, i zanemaruje taktiku, zavrsit ce karijeru u nizerazrednom Vratniku.
Kakav ti je kupus, takva ti je sarma -- otac Tadej |
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
13988 Posts
Member since 21/02/2010 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 14:28:39
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Zanimljivo kako ljudi odredenog ideološkog predznaka nevjerojatno jednostrano i paušalno statistiku koriste za afirmaciju svojih stavova, pa samo izbace ono što im ne odgovara, prave se da ne postoji ono što im ne paše, i potpuno ignoriraju kontekst.
I povrh toga olako barataju raistickim stereotipima, a sve uz standardne opaske da je nešto opcepoznato, svima jasno, itd., itsl.
Pa je tako jedna rasa ili etnicka skupina generalno gluplja (to svi znaju!), druga opcenito obrazovanija (to je svima jasno!!), a treca primitivnija i nepismenija (to je notorno!!!).
Naslov knjige Rastka Mocnika glasi "Koliko fašizma".
Koliko? U neogranicenim kolicinama, a sve s alibijem socijalnih analiza i statistickih rezultata. |
Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite,
i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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Elderane84
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Poli
Advanced Member
Slovenia
37791 Posts
Member since 26/10/2007 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 15:20:51
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Originally posted by Mairosu
Medju odgovorima...
"I'm hearing that a lot of people are threatening to leave the country because of Obama's re-election and America's liberal turn. They're free to do so if they wish but there are a few things these people should know before they pack their bags: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and all of Europe have universal healthcare (aka, socialized medicine); they all have higher taxes than the US; evolution is taught in all their schools; private gun ownership is banned or heavily restricted in each; gay couples have legal recognition in all, can marry in most and will marry soon in all; abortion is legal in all; all are racially and ethnically diverse and, in the case of Australia, they have a leader who is an unmarried atheist woman living in sin with her boyfriend.
On the other hand, Saudi Arabia and Iran have no taxes, or very low taxes, respectively; neither allows the teaching of evolution; both require prayer in schools; neither allows gay rights, especially not gay marriage; neither allows abortion; women in both countries know their place and don't complain about it; everybody and his brother owns a gun; both are theocracies run strictly by the laws of the old testament; and both have populations with very few black people and no Mexicans. It's practically paradise! Conservative Heaven on Earth!
Unfortunately, even Saudi Arabia and Iran have socialized medicine, but hey, nobody's absolutely perfect."
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 17:42:51
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Originally posted by Poli
Da ne bismo o tome kako su za Obamu De Niro, Pacino, Freeman, Spike Lee,
Lynch, Forman, Sean Penn, Streep... a za Romneyja "muskarcine" Chuck Norris, Stallone, Schwarzenegger,Eastwood...
Za Obamu Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, Hancock, Maddona, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Elton John, Jagger, McCartney... a za Romneyja countryjasi sa nashvillskim naglaskom.
Eastwood je za mene filmaš broj 1, daleko ispred svih ovih koji podržavaju Obamu i ovih par koji su za Romneyja.
I što sad, country glazba je nešto lošija od jedne isfurane Madonne, bezveznjakovica 50 centa i tamo nekakvog Eltona Johna?? |
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johnhartson
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Serbia
2814 Posts
Member since 17/10/2003 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 17:59:33
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Da, country muzika JE znatno losija od Brusa Springstina i Arete Frenklin. By faaaaaaar. O Stonsima i Bitlsima da ne pricamo.  |
Until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes - dis a war |
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Poli
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Slovenia
37791 Posts
Member since 26/10/2007 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 18:00:41
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
I što sad, country glazba je nešto lošija od jedne isfurane Madonne, bezveznjakovica 50 centa i tamo nekakvog Eltona Johna??
Ono sto je meni najvaznije: da, meni je.
A sto si samo ove ostavio, a ostali?
S druge strane Romney bas i nema neke druge ("muzicarske") podrske.
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brni
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Croatia
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 18:01:06
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
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Originally posted by Poli
Da ne bismo o tome kako su za Obamu De Niro, Pacino, Freeman, Spike Lee,
Lynch, Forman, Sean Penn, Streep... a za Romneyja "muskarcine" Chuck Norris, Stallone, Schwarzenegger,Eastwood...
Za Obamu Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, Hancock, Maddona, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Elton John, Jagger, McCartney... a za Romneyja countryjasi sa nashvillskim naglaskom.
Eastwood je za mene filmaš broj 1, daleko ispred svih ovih koji podržavaju Obamu i ovih par koji su za Romneyja.
I što sad, country glazba je nešto lošija od jedne isfurane Madonne, bezveznjakovica 50 centa i tamo nekakvog Eltona Johna??
Kako bi reka Zdravko Mamic - olinjali peško.. |
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
Edited by - brni on 10/11/2012 18:01:35 |
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selanne
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 18:03:00
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Where other men blindly follow the truth, remember - nothing is true. Where other men are limited by morality or law, remember - everything is permitted. We work in the dark to serve the light. We are assassins! Nothing is true, everything is permitted. |
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brni
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Croatia
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Member since 18/06/2009 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 18:03:58
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Od svih ovih, ti si baš njega komentirao. Ima tu nešto...
A tvoja jedina svrha na ovom forumu je pracenje di ces uletit sa gey spikom.. |
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
Edited by - brni on 10/11/2012 18:04:13 |
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johnhartson
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Serbia
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dsormaz1
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Member since 28/04/2002 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 18:19:15
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Originally posted by Poli
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
I što sad, country glazba je nešto lošija od jedne isfurane Madonne, bezveznjakovica 50 centa i tamo nekakvog Eltona Johna??
Ono sto je meni najvaznije: da, meni je.
A sto si samo ove ostavio, a ostali?
S druge strane Romney bas i nema neke druge ("muzicarske") podrske.
Ima onaj neki glazbenik koji ga je podržao pa je bio izložen medijskoj liberalnoj harangi, ali ne mogu se sad sjetiti kako se zove i kakvu glazbu svira... |
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Poli
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Slovenia
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selanne
stripovi.com suradnik
Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Member since 11/09/2009 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 18:20:45
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Originally posted by brni
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Originally posted by selanne
Od svih ovih, ti si baš njega komentirao. Ima tu nešto...
A tvoja jedina svrha na ovom forumu je pracenje di ces uletit sa gey spikom..
Samo tebe hvatam u iznošenju skrivenih poruka. |
Where other men blindly follow the truth, remember - nothing is true. Where other men are limited by morality or law, remember - everything is permitted. We work in the dark to serve the light. We are assassins! Nothing is true, everything is permitted. |
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ken2
stripovi.com suradnik
Croatia
8101 Posts
Member since 30/07/2002 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 19:12:40
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
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Originally posted by Poli
Da ne bismo o tome kako su za Obamu De Niro, Pacino, Freeman, Spike Lee,
Lynch, Forman, Sean Penn, Streep... a za Romneyja "muskarcine" Chuck Norris, Stallone, Schwarzenegger,Eastwood...
Za Obamu Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, Hancock, Maddona, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Elton John, Jagger, McCartney... a za Romneyja countryjasi sa nashvillskim naglaskom.
Eastwood je za mene filmaš broj 1, daleko ispred svih ovih koji podržavaju Obamu i ovih par koji su za Romneyja.
I što sad, country glazba je nešto lošija od jedne isfurane Madonne, bezveznjakovica 50 centa i tamo nekakvog Eltona Johna??
i ja obožavam eastwooda i ništa mi ne znaci što je republikanac
jedino mi je žao što se pomalo osramotio onim perfomansom na pocetku kampanje
a madona baš i nije nekakva reklama za demokratsko uvodenje socijalne pravednosti - njeni zahtjevi kad ide u hotele na turnejama su izvan svake pameti
da sam obama, više bih volio da me willy nelson podržava nego ona i 50cent
the boss je druga prica - on je pošten covjek, velicina, uz bok dylanu po znacaju za americku i svjetsku kulturu |
if you tolerate this, then your children will be next |
Edited by - ken2 on 10/11/2012 19:13:49 |
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kiky
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 19:28:50
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| ma poserem se na sve te zvijezde i zvjezdice koje su prikljucili kampanji... i na strani obame i romnija. da ih pitaš što je to obama napravio u posljednje cetiri godine, ili koliko razumiju unutarnje ili vanjskopoliticku situaciju zemlje, nebi znali niti zucnut. ali predsjednicki izbori su ogromna medijska stvar i svatko se tu može nametnuti i ukrasti barem djelic pozornosti na sebe, pa tako ne cudi koliko se jedna madonna ili lady gaga prenapinju za obamu... i koliko je to iritantno i jadno za vidit. |
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Tutta
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Germany
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Member since 19/02/2010 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 20:21:59
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| ne znam za druge,al sean penn se stvarno zauzima za dobre stvari i cesto kritizira us.vanjsku i unutrasnju politiku. a kolega sa druge strane je c.eastwood. on je nesto poput busha i zalaze se za gradnju zida na granici sa meksikom. |
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 22:01:50
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Eastwood je samo deklarativno republikanac, dijelom cak i onako, "iz inata", a i jer to nekako ide uz image Prljavog Harryja.
No u svojim filmovima i idejama koje zagovara je zapravo cisti liberal. Pogledajmo samo Gran Torino, s pricom o starom desnicaru koji ispocetka mrzi imigrante protiv cijih se sunarodnjaka nekad borio, da bi ih s vremenom zavolio toliko da na kraju odluci dati i život za njih.
Ili recimo Zamjena (Changeling), u kojoj je Angelina Jolie nezašticena hrabra žena u borbi protiv totalitarnog (desnog) sustava.
Ili nacin na koji prikazuje J. Edgara Hoovera, koji je sve samo ne pozitivan i simpatican.
Naposljetku, tu je i socijalno osviještena reklama za Chrysler zbog koje su ga republikanci otvoreno napali, jer je jasno najavio da je pred Amerikom / Obamom "drugo poluvrijeme".
Uostalom, sam je Clint u više intervjua isticao da je on liberal i feminist, ali da to ljudi ne razumiju.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite,
i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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Poli
Advanced Member
Slovenia
37791 Posts
Member since 26/10/2007 |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 22:56:06
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Bas prigodno, veceras pogledah The Ides of March. :)
Nije najbolji Gosling, ni najbolji Clooney, ali dobar.
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Mairosu
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Posted - 11/11/2012 : 00:28:18
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Clint je ono sto bi kolege sa one strane okeana rekli "libertarian". Ne liberal. Ima razlike. Million Dollar Baby je bukvalno libertarijanski manifesto.
Sto se politickih platforma tice, Clint je bio gradonacelnik Carmela na nepartijskom mandatu, podrzavao je Nixona i Eisenhowera, kritikovao Vietnam i Koreju, na lokalnim izborima svrljao levo i desno. Zaboga, glasao je za Graya Davisa, coveka koji je zbacen sa funkcije guvernera Californije jer je bio...pa...idiot. Da ne zborimo o cinjenici da vec 40 godina podrzava zakone o ogranicavanju nosenja oruzja - kakav crni republikanac ! |
Ko igra za raju, i zanemaruje taktiku, zavrsit ce karijeru u nizerazrednom Vratniku.
Kakav ti je kupus, takva ti je sarma -- otac Tadej |
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masni
Senior Member
Serbia
2240 Posts
Member since 03/07/2008 |
Posted - 11/11/2012 : 00:36:23
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Originally posted by Tutta
ne znam za druge,al sean penn se stvarno zauzima za dobre stvari i cesto kritizira us.vanjsku i unutrasnju politiku. a kolega sa druge strane je c.eastwood. on je nesto poput busha i zalaze se za gradnju zida na granici sa meksikom.
Sta bi trebali uraditi, pustiti da im se ceo Meksiko useli u USa? ILegalni imigranti snizavaju cenu rada i uzimaju zaposlenje nekome drugome. Kako bi se ti oecao da u tvoju zemlju dodje na hiljade stranaca i da ti uzimu radno mesto? Postoje legalni tokovi..... Sad je druga stvar sto je jedan deo tih jznih zemlaja USa nekad bio Mexico |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 11/11/2012 : 01:09:45
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Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Eastwood je samo deklarativno republikanac, dijelom cak i onako, "iz inata"
Iz inata prema kome ili cemu?
U filmu "The Outlaw Josey Wales" Eastwood niti ne prikriva svoju naklonost prema Konfederaciji. Prilicno "liberalan" stav.
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Uostalom, sam je Clint u više intervjua isticao da je on liberal i feminist, ali da to ljudi ne razumiju.
Ocito Clint ima neki svoj specifican smisao za humor. |
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Tutta
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Germany
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Member since 19/02/2010 |
Posted - 11/11/2012 : 01:10:57
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Originally posted by masni
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Originally posted by Tutta
ne znam za druge,al sean penn se stvarno zauzima za dobre stvari i cesto kritizira us.vanjsku i unutrasnju politiku. a kolega sa druge strane je c.eastwood. on je nesto poput busha i zalaze se za gradnju zida na granici sa meksikom.
Sta bi trebali uraditi, pustiti da im se ceo Meksiko useli u USa? ILegalni imigranti snizavaju cenu rada i uzimaju zaposlenje nekome drugome. Kako bi se ti oecao da u tvoju zemlju dodje na hiljade stranaca i da ti uzimu radno mesto? Postoje legalni tokovi..... Sad je druga stvar sto je jedan deo tih jznih zemlaja USa nekad bio Mexico
californija,new mexico,nevada,arizona,texas...meksikanci se samo vracaju kuci!!! |
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