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lwood
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manhunter
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Posted - 26/12/2009 : 23:47:58
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Par pitanja:
-krenuo sam da čitam Zenica sveta, pa me zanima da li je knjiga stvarno toliko dosadna, ili ja nešto pogrešno radim?? Pročitao sam nekih 40str. i čovek nikako da se odluči da krene sa pričom. Isplati li se da čitam dalje? Mogu i blagi spoileri, poređenja sa sličnim delima, i sl.
- treba mi preporuka za neku dobru knjigu o starim Slovenima. Što obimnija, sa što više ilustracija, mitologija, običaji, vojska i ratovi, seobe...
Hm...bilo je još nešto, ali sam zaboravio. 
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I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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mladjo
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vope
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Posted - 27/12/2009 : 14:05:57
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Evo malo domaće fantastike, doduše ne naučne ali ne mari. Radnja se odvija u Beogradu,u 18. vijeku, u kome stoluje austrougarski regent dok Srbiju sa juga napadaju turske horde. Knjiga je podijeljena na dva narativna toka: jedan priča čovjek koji je vjerovatno đavo lično, mada zabavan đavo, koji dolazi u Srbiju tragom priča o pojavi vampira, dok drugi iznosi nesrećna austrougarska princeza, žena regenta-vladaoca Srbije. Put nas nanosi na Savu Savanovića, vampira iz "Leptirice", pa i cijela se jedna scena odvija u legendarnoj Savinoj vodenici. Istini za volju knjiga je dosta zamorna, interesantna u dijalozima/raspravama, uglavnom teološkim, između glavnih karaktera knjige i tu leži njena najveća vrijednost. |
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Rock.Bob Rock
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Croatia
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Barker
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Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 27/12/2009 : 23:46:26
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filip dik ima najbolje naslove ikad! ovaj galakticki iscelitelj keramike je nenadmasiv bas kao i tecite suze moje rece policajac i sanjaju li androidi elektricne ovce |
Bistro i duboko nebo utociste pruza! |
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vope
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Montenegro
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 16:52:00
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[URL=http://img101.imageshack.us/i/savrsenaplaneta.jpg/] [/URL] [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img101/savrsenaplaneta.jpg/1/] [/URL] Stripovski ekvivalent ove odlične knjige bile bi, takođe odlične, Fontove "Priče iz nesavršene budućnosti", i ko je pročitao ovaj strip moći će sebi da dočara koliko je ova knjiga ustvari dobra. Radi se o zbirci priča na temu budućnosti, prividnih utopija, ljudske konstantne nesavršenosti i gluposti i time koliko je čovjek zanemarljivo mali činilac u kosmičkom poretku stvari. Knjiga nosi ime po najdužoj i najboljoj priči "Savršena planeta" koja na satirično-ironičan način opisuje prividnu utopiju na jednoj planeti na periferiji Mliječnog puta. Ostale priče su:
KONTROLNI PREGLED IZGUBLJENA BUDUĆNOST BESMRTNI VOJNIK SEDMA ŽRTVA NAJVEĆI SREĆKOVIĆ NA SVETU DOBRO DOŠLI U STANDARDNI KOŠMAR PET MINUTA PRERANO HODOČAŠĆE NA ZEMLJU SPECIJALISTA PRIČA O STVARANJU ZEMLJE PITAJ TEK DA PITAŠ
Odavno bolji SF ne pročitah. Preporučujem pod obavezno. |
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mladjo
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 19:05:38
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Izvrsna naslovnica. Sviđa mi se taj ejtis futuristički dizajn |
COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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sawitch
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Serbia
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 19:42:32
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
Par pitanja:
-krenuo sam da čitam Zenica sveta, pa me zanima da li je knjiga stvarno toliko dosadna, ili ja nešto pogrešno radim??
Bice da ti pogresno nesto radis... Knjiga je super.. Radnja jeste malo razvucena, i previse mozda kompleksna, ali je super... Zar ti nije zanimljivo to sto su u sred noci Troloci upali i poceli da kolju po seocetu??? Ne vuce te da citas dalje? |
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Imrahil
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 19:55:28
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
Par pitanja:
-krenuo sam da čitam Zenica sveta, pa me zanima da li je knjiga stvarno toliko dosadna, ili ja nešto pogrešno radim?? Pročitao sam nekih 40str. i čovek nikako da se odluči da krene sa pričom. Isplati li se da čitam dalje? Mogu i blagi spoileri, poređenja sa sličnim delima, i sl.
Meni je Dzordan bas PREVISE razvucen i citam ga samo jer obozavam epsku fantastiku. Sad, meni se zaista svidja, ali kapiram da bi mnogima bio dosadan. Jos ako ti je dosadan na pocetku, sta ce tek biti kasnije oko 5og ili 6og dela Pokusaj sa nekim drugim serijalom. Da ne kazem da mi je Dzordan na pocetku ko da citam Tolkina, previse slicnosti... |
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regar
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 22:17:28
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quote: Originally posted by Imrahil
quote: Originally posted by manhunter
Par pitanja:
-krenuo sam da čitam Zenica sveta, pa me zanima da li je knjiga stvarno toliko dosadna, ili ja nešto pogrešno radim?? Pročitao sam nekih 40str. i čovek nikako da se odluči da krene sa pričom. Isplati li se da čitam dalje? Mogu i blagi spoileri, poređenja sa sličnim delima, i sl.
Meni je Dzordan bas PREVISE razvucen i citam ga samo jer obozavam epsku fantastiku. Sad, meni se zaista svidja, ali kapiram da bi mnogima bio dosadan. Jos ako ti je dosadan na pocetku, sta ce tek biti kasnije oko 5og ili 6og dela Pokusaj sa nekim drugim serijalom. Da ne kazem da mi je Dzordan na pocetku ko da citam Tolkina, previse slicnosti...
Ja sam poceo da citam cim se pojavio kod nas, ali tada nisam znao koliko ima delova. Stao sam na mislim sestom delu. Ne mogu reci da nije zanimljiv, ali vremenom i delovima zaista postaje zamorno. Pogotovo me nerviraju likovi koji su samo crni i beli, nema one realnosti da junaci imaju slabosti ili da neki negativci imaju vrline. Tu se razlikuje pre svega od Martina i njegovog serijala (Pesme vatre i leda), gde u pozitivni likovi imaju mane, kao i negativni koji imaju vrline, u prevodu realniji. Mislim da vredi citati, ali u ovom trenutku ima nekoliko mnogo boljih serijala epske fantastike da se nadje na ovim prostorima.
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Mhejl
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 23:20:29
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quote: Originally posted by regar
quote: Originally posted by Imrahil
quote: Originally posted by manhunter
Par pitanja:
-krenuo sam da čitam Zenica sveta, pa me zanima da li je knjiga stvarno toliko dosadna, ili ja nešto pogrešno radim?? Pročitao sam nekih 40str. i čovek nikako da se odluči da krene sa pričom. Isplati li se da čitam dalje? Mogu i blagi spoileri, poređenja sa sličnim delima, i sl.
Meni je Dzordan bas PREVISE razvucen i citam ga samo jer obozavam epsku fantastiku. Sad, meni se zaista svidja, ali kapiram da bi mnogima bio dosadan. Jos ako ti je dosadan na pocetku, sta ce tek biti kasnije oko 5og ili 6og dela Pokusaj sa nekim drugim serijalom. Da ne kazem da mi je Dzordan na pocetku ko da citam Tolkina, previse slicnosti...
Ja sam poceo da citam cim se pojavio kod nas, ali tada nisam znao koliko ima delova. Stao sam na mislim sestom delu. Ne mogu reci da nije zanimljiv, ali vremenom i delovima zaista postaje zamorno. Pogotovo me nerviraju likovi koji su samo crni i beli, nema one realnosti da junaci imaju slabosti ili da neki negativci imaju vrline. Tu se razlikuje pre svega od Martina i njegovog serijala (Pesme vatre i leda), gde u pozitivni likovi imaju mane, kao i negativni koji imaju vrline, u prevodu realniji. Mislim da vredi citati, ali u ovom trenutku ima nekoliko mnogo boljih serijala epske fantastike da se nadje na ovim prostorima.
Džordan je fenomenalan pisac. Moje lično mišljenje je da se kvalitet knjiga stalno povećava, da bi dostigao svoj vrhunac u knjizi br.5, ''Nebeski oganj''. Nakon toga, kvalitet pomalo opada ali su knjige 6, 7 i 8 na odličnom nivou, premda ne toliko fenomenalnom kao prethodne knjige. Deveta knjiga je veoma loša, barem par prvih poglavlja koje sam pročitao, jelte. Dalje nisam čitao.
Džordanov problem je što kroz knjige polako gubi viziju i volju da napralvi serijal neprolaznih vrijednosti, premda mu je to uspijevalo do šeste knjige. Mnoge nebitne i efemerne stvari se uporno forsiraju, dijalozi i unutrašnji monolozi se sve više ponavljaju, a sporedni likovi i poluzavršeni zapleti se grandiozno gomilaju sve dok u tami te ogromne strukture ne nestane ono što nas zaista interesuje, tri glavna junaka! Muško-ženski odnosi (bez smijeha molim, ko je čitao knjige zna o čemu pričam) su prikazani vrlo usiljeno, sa, blago rečeno, promašenim oblicima humora. Čitava poglavlja se nizaju, a da ništa ne saznajemo. A onaj osjećaj epske bitke, Divova dobra i zla, velikih promjena i još većih razaranja polako nestaje, samo da bi ga zamijenila zamršena mapa pukog završavanja linija priča, nabrajanja onoga što se dogodilo. Pisac nam kroz knjige baca razne ''koske'', koje poredim sa bitnim događajima i zaista kvalitetnim poglavljima, ali ti biseri su zatrpani gomilom osrednjeg pisanja. To previše liči na slučajeve u kojima se stari, dobri serijali izdaju u nedogled, gubeći parče po parče svoje suštine, koja je zamijenjena željom da se zaradi još koji dolar. Svaki lik ima barem tuce unutrašnjih monologa i dijaloga, ali ipak mnogima nedostaje duše i pravih, logičnih motiva.
Pomalo paradoksalno, zar ne? Nažalost. |
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Bardho
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 23:50:43
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Pročitao sam prvih deset knjiga i mogu samo reći da se Jordan izgubio putem. Monotono monotono monotono ništa se ne događa pa opet monotono dosadno monotono. Htio je ep, a po mome osobnom mišljenju dobio je ćorak. Meni recimo puno više paše Raymond E. Feist sa svojim čarobnjakom Pugom i ostalim knjigama iz Kingdom of the Isles. |
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sawitch
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 01:23:35
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Ja sam rekao da je malo radnja rastegljena i previse siroka, za moj ukus, ali reci da je monotono.. Ne bih se slozio... Ideje o Trolocima i Mirdraalima, Perinovim zutim ocima i bratstvu sa vukovima itd.. Meni je to fantasticno... Ima delova stvarno koji smore ali ima i dobrih koji daleko premase te dosadne... Po meni vredi citati.. |
Patricia hic mea totus mundus est |
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Imrahil
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sawitch
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Serbia
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 10:24:01
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Joj, pusti me, imam jos 20 knjiga koje MORAM da procitam.. Ne smem ni da pomisljam nesto drugo da ubacim... |
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Bardho
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 12:35:33
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quote: Originally posted by sawitch
Ja sam rekao da je malo radnja rastegljena i previse siroka, za moj ukus, ali reci da je monotono.. Ne bih se slozio... Ideje o Trolocima i Mirdraalima, Perinovim zutim ocima i bratstvu sa vukovima itd.. Meni je to fantasticno... Ima delova stvarno koji smore ali ima i dobrih koji daleko premase te dosadne... Po meni vredi citati..
Premalo je tih zanimljivih djelova i utopljeni su u previše monotonije. |
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Malicius
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mladjo
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Posted - 31/12/2009 : 10:58:30
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Da, Izvori fakat imaju dobre cijene. Ova "Odisejska trilogija" od Clarkea košta 140 kn, pa to je džabe včovječe... Nemam njihov Dan Trifida, to bih morao uzeti. Nego šta je ovo "Nemogući susreti" od Živkovića na trećoj strani? Stvarno, trebamo što prije početi obrađivati ex - Yu sf ovdje... |
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mladjo
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vope
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Rock.Bob Rock
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Posted - 31/12/2009 : 13:04:58
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quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Da, Izvori fakat imaju dobre cijene. Ova "Odisejska trilogija" od Clarkea košta 140 kn, pa to je džabe včovječe... Nemam njihov Dan Trifida, to bih morao uzeti. Nego šta je ovo "Nemogući susreti" od Živkovića na trećoj strani? Stvarno, trebamo što prije početi obrađivati ex - Yu sf ovdje...
Meni su malo preskupi  A i traljavo rade, čitam sad njihovu Dinu (knjižnica) i nemogu se skoncentrirati, kad oni recimo napišu pola riječi normalno, a pola kurzivom. Malo iritantno,ne? |
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vope
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 18:45:57
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Priča o pojedincima koji mogu putovati kroz vrijeme, kako u prošlost tako i u budućnost, kao rezultat prirodne mutacije (ili božje volje?). Poruka ove knjige je da će nas beslovjesno uništavanje prirode i resursa na kraju vjerovatno dovesti do kraja postojanja, što i bez naučne fantastike nije teško zaključiti. Problem koji ova knjiga ima, kao i većina koja za temu ima putovanje kroz vrijeme, je gomila nelogičnosti i nedovoljno uvjerljivih objašnjenja vezanih za prostorno-vremenske paradokse, vremenske manipulacije i sl. Ali bez obzira na te nedostatke knjiga je solidno dobra i lijepo napisana tako da tumbs go up! |
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Imrahil
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 18:59:13
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quote: Originally posted by sawitch
Joj, pusti me, imam jos 20 knjiga koje MORAM da procitam.. Ne smem ni da pomisljam nesto drugo da ubacim...
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mladjo
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 23:44:44
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quote: Originally posted by vope

Priča o pojedincima koji mogu putovati kroz vrijeme, kako u prošlost tako i u budućnost, kao rezultat prirodne mutacije (ili božje volje?). Poruka ove knjige je da će nas beslovjesno uništavanje prirode i resursa na kraju vjerovatno dovesti do kraja postojanja, što i bez naučne fantastike nije teško zaključiti. Problem koji ova knjiga ima, kao i većina koja za temu ima putovanje kroz vrijeme, je gomila nelogičnosti i nedovoljno uvjerljivih objašnjenja vezanih za prostorno-vremenske paradokse, vremenske manipulacije i sl. Ali bez obzira na te nedostatke knjiga je solidno dobra i lijepo napisana tako da tumbs go up!
Ovo nisam čitao, ali čitao sam od njega"Hodnike vremena". Čitljivo, ali ništa više od toga. Već par puta se navlačim da počnem čitati njegovu Time patrol seriju knjiga... |
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