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lwood
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Colombia
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Posted - 17/02/2013 : 22:17:24
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quote: Originally posted by anto
@Zlotvor Nabavio sam ga u zimu 2009/2010, od tipa koji ga je prodavao na aukcijama.Tada je već bio rasprodat.A tek sad je došao na red za čitanje.
@lwood pa mogu ti reći, da bih propustio puno
@poli objasnih sve u odgovoru zlotvoru.Nisam te najbolje razumeo - tebi je strip top shit ili?
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depresivni iskompleksirani primitivac i nadrkana budala |
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acestroke
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
11652 Posts
Member since 16/04/2009 |
Posted - 19/02/2013 : 17:59:45
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Ovo sam skoro poceo da citam. Prvi utisci su ovakvi: crtez je ocito osrednji, a najgore je to sto je tesko razlikovat likove, tako da uopste ne znam ko je ko. Svi izgledaju skoro isto, mislim da bi bolji crtez bolje godio ovom stripu. Nadam se da ce se stvari poboljsat, ali prva polovina je veoma naporna za citanju, nadam se da cu moc da zavrsim ovo prije nego sto se predam. |
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Poli
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Slovenia
38181 Posts
Member since 26/10/2007 |
Posted - 19/02/2013 : 18:18:20
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Izdrzi jos malo, pocetak je nista. I sam sam se na pocetku malo lovio i nije mi izgledalo kao nesto, kad onda... ;)
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acestroke
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
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trolodtroje
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3277 Posts
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Posted - 19/02/2013 : 22:58:38
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I meni je početak bio kao nešto - crtež ko neki scratchy pokušaji da nešto kao izgleda, osoba puno i vrlo teško za spojiti međusobno, jedino naracija i priča mi je bila u početku super. samo zbog toga sam ustrajao i vrlo brzo sve se počelo uklapati ko puzle i magla se počela dizat. Crtež sve bolji i bolji, ko da gledaš na svake tolko print slika iz starih novina. !! - posle 30 stranica napravio sam si A4 tabelu sa linkovima ko sa kime na koji način. Uživanje do 300 išlo polako a posle ko blickrig do skoro 600. |
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Ignus
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acestroke
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
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trolodtroje
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3277 Posts
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 17:44:45
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quote: Originally posted by acestroke
Eh, procitao. Jedva. Tesko mi je bilo koji strip bio toliko naporan ... anyway, da ne lupetam vise, stavio sam komentar na recenziju.
Šta? 400 stranica za jedan dan . več vidim komentar na recenzijama - krš...odustao. |
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maddox031
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Croatia
1941 Posts
Member since 23/09/2011 |
Posted - 21/02/2013 : 08:24:23
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evo i ja procitao i moje misljenje je totalno suprotno od ace-a :)
mislim da bi boja bas upropastila sve, crtez mi se bas uklapa u cijeli taj koncept
da je tesko za citat, a ponekad i naporno, to moram priznat |
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anto
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Serbia
21454 Posts
Member since 29/06/2008 |
Posted - 21/02/2013 : 13:52:25
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I moje je mišljenje totalno suprotno od ejsa. Boja bi ovde sve upropastila;crtež se odlično uklapa u priču; a da je strip nešto posebno težak za čitanje i nije,kako koji deo. Naporna mi je bila samo 4. glava. |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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Raven84
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Croatia
1324 Posts
Member since 29/03/2005 |
Posted - 21/02/2013 : 14:42:54
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I moje je mišljenje totalno suporotno od ace-a. :) |
Ima nešto u njemu proslijedeno od nepoznate majke i propala oca na sina. Kaljeno savješcu. Brušeno disciplinom. |
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NESVRSTANI
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Croatia
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 14:49:44
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Očito nas ima dosta sa suprotnin mišljenjen od Ace-a :) Sve mogu razumit, ali ovo obojat???? |
Doli sve stranke!!! Živili naši dušmani!!! |
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anto
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Serbia
21454 Posts
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 15:09:16
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quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI
Očito nas ima dosta sa suprotnin mišljenjen od Ace-a :) Sve mogu razumit, ali ovo obojat????
ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,...ha,ha,... joj, kad se samo setim koliko sam se ismejao kada sam video da je ovo napisao.
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DeeCay
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
21661 Posts
Member since 24/09/2002 |
Posted - 21/02/2013 : 15:12:11
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Ma kakva boja pobogu...  
Ja sam strip čitao dva tjedna, moglo bi se bolje reći proučavao, zajedno s onim bilješkama na kraju. I ja bih svisnuo da čitam toliku knjigu najednom... Ace, pa najbolje stvari se rade polagano. |
“A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies; the man who never reads lives only one." |
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acestroke
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USA
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DeeCay
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Croatia
21661 Posts
Member since 24/09/2002 |
Posted - 21/02/2013 : 15:15:03
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quote: Originally posted by acestroke
jeste, stvarno je predpostavka da bi boja godila ovoj prici duhovita... duhovita kao rak na mudima.
Uz dužno poštovanje prema onima koji imaju rak na mudima... |
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acestroke
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USA
11652 Posts
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 15:52:58
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Da ponovim, u slucaju da ispadne da ste me pogrijesno razumjeli: ovaj strip bi mogo da bude bolji (u mom misljenju, naravno) u boji samo u slucaju gdje bi crtez bio totalni drugaciji, a ne samo da oboje ove stranice. Nesto poput onih Americkih ili Belgijskih crteza, gdje su kadrovi razliciti sa strane na stranu, i gdje su veci nego samo jedna devetina stranice, kao sto je ovdje slucaj (neke stranice imaju vece kadrove, ali te su veoma rijetke). Takodje boja bi bolje godila svom onom krvlju, onom svjetljlucanjem noza (kao u film verziji), onim raznim bojama haljina onih prostitutka, itd. Naravno, ne ovom postojecem crtezu, nego necem potpuno drugacijem, ali eto...
Takodje skoro 600 stranica je nesto predugo za strip, vjerujem da se ista prica mogla ispricat sa manje stranica (mozda i u pola), i da bi istovremeno ostavila isti dojam kao ovo, a mozda i bolji (drugaciji i bolji crtez u boji, itd).
Moguce je da mi je film verzija totalno pokvarila dojam ovog stripa, jer samo film gledo deset godina prije nego sto sam citao strip, i film mi je djelovao puno bolje vizualno nego strip. A moguce je da ipak nije, jer ovako nemastovit crtez se ne moze naci ni u Bonelijevim stripovima, koji ipak napreduju iz godine u godinu sa svojim crtacima i razvojima u kadrovima.
Znam da sam u manjini s ovim misljenjem, i stvarno moram priznat da sam htjeo da mi se ovaj strip svidja, jer izgleda da u svijetskoj strip sceni zauzima veoma visoko mjesto. Ovako ja ispade kao 'crna ovca' koji je hejter neceg svetog. Sorry svim fanovima koje sam mozda uvrijedio sa niskim ocjenama, ali ne mogu protiv svoje iskrene reakcije, ma kako god drugacija bila od vecine.
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anto
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Serbia
21454 Posts
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 16:08:45
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Ma ajde ace, vidiš da se malo zezamo s tobom :). Iskreno si napisao svoje mišljenje i to je sto puta bolje nego da lažeš i sebe i druge da ti se nešto svidelo što nije, samo zato što većina tako misli.
Pa i ja sam nedavno "ocrnio" Mebijusovu biblioteku, stripove koji su brže rasprodani nego i Pakao i koji predstavljaju ikone evropskog stripa.
Mada mislim da bi nekad trebao dati ovom stripu još jednu šansu, ali sa mnogo više pažnje i posvećenog vremena - možda tad promeniš mišljenje. |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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acestroke
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USA
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trolodtroje
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3277 Posts
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 20:08:53
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otprilke pre 14 dana sam pročito strip i prošli tedan pogledo i film From Hell. film nije ni za polaqrca. Loš izbor glumaca osim "Hagrida", Depp se skoro zajebava ko u Piratima, a film kao tmuran prikaz Londona i Whitechapela krajem 19 veka!??! Mabežibrebudalo. Priča uopšte ne sledi priči iz stripa, dodano puno komerciale, (iako zanimljiv absint+laudanum) vizualizacija ispod kritike, glavne osobine stripa u filmu su zaboravljene....sve u svemu film za instant komercialnu publiku za penzionersko lagano ljetno veče na terasici. Jajca. |
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Poli
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Slovenia
38181 Posts
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DeeCay
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Croatia
21661 Posts
Member since 24/09/2002 |
Posted - 28/02/2013 : 00:28:18
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Povijesni kontekst u stripu na primjeru djela From Hell Alana Moorea i Eddiea Campbella tekst by Ivan Vekić (nickname unknown) From Hell, ili, u hrvatskom prijevodu, Pakao, prvi je ekranizirani Mooreov strip, s Johnnyem Deppom u glavnoj ulozi, no taj je pokušaj braće Alberta i Allena Hughesa teško ocijeniti uspjelim. Dijelom svakako i zbog nemogućnosti supstitucije crteža izvornika, koji je rad Eddiea Campbella, škotskog strip crtača i scenarista rođenog 1955. godine u Glasgowu, a otprije zapaženog zahvaljujući poluautobiografskom stripu Alec, te stripu Bacchus, baziranome na liku popularnog antičkog boga vina. Campbellov crtež do punog izražaja dolazi upravo u From Hell, po kojemu je do danas ostao najpoznatiji. Gigantski uradak britanskog dvojca...

Detaljna analiza "Pakla" povjesničara Ivana Vekića (koliko god se to može nazvati detaljnom kad se radi o tako monumentalnom djelu), stripa kojeg samo rijetki ne poznaju... Eto, pročitajte! |
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alen
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Croatia
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 15:06:04
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Sram me priznati, ali tek sam nedavno nabavio Pakao (drugo izdanje) i nakon pročitanih pedesetak strana (prva dva poglavlja) moram priznati da sam mesmeriziran. Ma ovo je, mogu to već sada tvrditi, remek-djelo. Nisam čitao ovaj topic pa ne znam kako je opčinstvo reagiralo na crtež, ali ovo je savršeno. Na svakom se kadru zadržim nekoliko sekundi i proučavam svaki detalj, svaki natpis na zgradama, što likovi imaju obučeno (ili skinuto, ovisi ), zašto su nešto izgovorili ili nekako postupili. Poznajuči opus g.Moorea znam da na takve stvari treba paziti. |
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DeeCay
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Croatia
21661 Posts
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 15:50:36
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Alene, u pravi si i ja sam tako reagirao. Nego pročitaj i anotacije iz onog dodatka na kraju... Prava mala detaljna dizertacija na temu. Baš ultimativno djelo i izdanje. |
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alen
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Croatia
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 17:23:30
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Je, upravo to i pročitam nakon svakog poglavlja. To je nešto kao onaj "vodič za čitanje Lige Gentlemana" :) |
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Edited by - alen on 18/10/2013 17:24:48 |
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