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boddhisatva
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Posted - 15/04/2015 : 11:03:47
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a gle Storm je ovdje dat tek kao primjer, u to da li se nekome sviđa ili ne sviđa nisam ulazio Storm po meni potpada pod SFF - dakle: Science Fiction+Fantasy - jer ima i elemente toga u sebi i Blade Runner je Science Fiction iako Dick to nigdje striktno ne naglašava ali i drama + triler + alternativna historija Iz iskustva sa bezbroj rasprava o tom žanru znam da ono F na kraju SF zna i zbunjivat ljude a naročito jer se žanrovi i podžanrovi preklapaju, neki krivo misle da je F = Fantasy umjesto Fiction [Sve to u književnosti potpada pod generalni žanr Fantastična književnost...] Problem je tu i u samom jeziku Fiction je kao prijevod često i fikcija, nestvarno, izmaštano ali i - fantastično, pa i fantastika... Dok je Fantasy čisto "fantastika" Dobar SF u sebi može i ne mora sadržavati i znanstvene utemeljenosti koje su točne, to mu je odavna prestala biti sama bit ... e da, Watchmen - ja bih ga postavio u žanr koji nazivam "ShF" - SuperHeroic Fiction, nekako sam izveo tu kovanicu pročitavši da Conan potpada pod Heroic Fantasy, ipak se dešava u paralelnom univerzumu od našega LOEG bih svrstao pod SF koji uzima i elemente Fantasy književnih i sl. likova a u podžanru steampunka koji je zapravo alternativna historija kao žanr a Baladu o Halo Jones pak svrstavam kao full čisti SF, točnije kao space operu....
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lwood
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Posted - 15/04/2015 : 11:09:37
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Storm je u početku odličan,posli malo pada. triba spomenit Druunu ka sf/erotic |
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paro
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Posted - 15/04/2015 : 11:13:09
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quote: Originally posted by boddhisatva
i Blade Runner je Science Fiction iako Dick to nigdje striktno ne naglašava ali i drama + triler + alternativna historija
LOEG bih svrstao pod SF koji uzima i elemente Fantasy književnih i sl. likova a u podžanru steampunka koji je zapravo alternativna historija kao žanr a Baladu o Halo Jones pak svrstavam kao full čisti SF, točnije kao space operu....
Šta ne spada alternativna historija pod SF? |
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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boddhisatva
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Posted - 15/04/2015 : 11:15:41
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točno i to lwoode: Druuna kao uspjela SF+erotic+postapokalipsa
ili da krenemo na ajmo reči i serije: Fringe koji je Sci-Fi + Mistery, pa X-Files i još masa
jedino što ja mogu reči kao zaključak dugogodišnjeg čitanja SF-a je da ponovim - da smatram da SF nije nikada uspio ako je bio samo SF kao žanr, inzistiranje na nekakvim tehnologijama, tehnici, znanosti, fizici itd... jedino gdje je on bio najuspjeliji je kada je u sebi preklapao žanrove, ubacivao društvene kritike itd itd - unači ono S iliti science7znanstveno je u njemu samo kao baza, temelj na kojem gradi kuću, zemlja na kojoj sadi bilje... ;o))
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boddhisatva
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Posted - 15/04/2015 : 11:20:34
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quote: Originally posted by paro
Šta ne spada alternativna historija pod SF? [/quote]
i spada, kako da ne ;o)) - ali ne pod Science nego pod običnu Fikciju a gle ono ti možeš i napraviti i western a da bude u žanru alternativne historije (onaj sa Yul Brynerom...) a opet možeš i dramu sa alternativnom historijom, triler itd itd čista je fikcija jer alternativna historija ni ne mora biti znanstveno utemeljena
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Tonto
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Posted - 15/04/2015 : 11:32:12
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Ja bi postavio pitanje glede tih podžanrova i koliko te u kojoj mjeri to sve ima smisla... Danas prakticki u svemu ima pregršt raznih elemenata, ali elementi avanture, romanse, akcije itd. nisu dovoljni da bi dominirali pri određivanju žanra. Dok s druge strane i najmanje naznake znastvene fantastike su savim dovoljne da se djelo okarakterizra generalno kao sf. Bar je to nekakav moj dojam... i to mi se ne sviđa. |
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boddhisatva
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Posted - 15/04/2015 : 12:04:08
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to ti je sada viječna mijena, Tonto ;o)) stvari idu i razvijaju se i onako kako nismo očekivali ili se njima nadali sad ako uzmeš "Gulliverova putovanja" i još neka djela ona su se dosta vremena čitala isključivo kao štivo za odrasle a sada spadaju pod dječju književnost i lektiru....
al bez obzira zu si i u pravu, treba tu i mnogo, mnogo više nego baratanje žanrovima i podžanrovima da se napravi dobar SF u obliku knjige, stripa, filma... žanrovi su kao što sam iznio u svom mišljenju tek kao neki temelj, baza i sl. |
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