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karven
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 12:25:11
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quote: Originally posted by adriano
došao sam do 300 stranice. Sviđa mi se ideja da se Helingen vraća u vrijeme prije demona ludila i da utjelovljuje 100 % zločinca. Buratini je bio dovoljno pristojan pa nije mijenjao nolitine osnovne postavke helingenovog lika i djela.
Nije menjao osnovne postavke lika i dela? Pristojan? Jel se ti zezaš? |
All is one in Darkseid. This mighty body is my church. When I command your surrender, I speak with three billion voices. When I make a fist to crush your resistance. It is with three billion hands. |
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globinjo
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Croatia
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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adriano
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Croatia
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 13:45:50
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Ne.quote: Originally posted by karven
quote: Originally posted by adriano
došao sam do 300 stranice. Sviđa mi se ideja da se Helingen vraća u vrijeme prije demona ludila i da utjelovljuje 100 % zločinca. Buratini je bio dovoljno pristojan pa nije mijenjao nolitine osnovne postavke helingenovog lika i djela.
Nije menjao osnovne postavke lika i dela? Pristojan? Jel se ti zezaš?
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Rahazlam
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Croatia
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karven
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Serbia
1871 Posts
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 14:50:04
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quote: Originally posted by adriano
Ne.quote: Originally posted by karven
quote: Originally posted by adriano
došao sam do 300 stranice. Sviđa mi se ideja da se Helingen vraća u vrijeme prije demona ludila i da utjelovljuje 100 % zločinca. Buratini je bio dovoljno pristojan pa nije mijenjao nolitine osnovne postavke helingenovog lika i djela.
Nije menjao osnovne postavke lika i dela? Pristojan? Jel se ti zezaš?
Znači tebi je to, karakterno gledano, isti Helingen kao kod Nolite? Ne vidiš suštinu gde je Bure zasrao celu stvar? |
All is one in Darkseid. This mighty body is my church. When I command your surrender, I speak with three billion voices. When I make a fist to crush your resistance. It is with three billion hands. |
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globinjo
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Croatia
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Darkwood
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Croatia
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Rahazlam
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Croatia
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 16:59:39
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Ja zasad imam duplo samo Zimsku zmiju,al svakako ću uzimat u remitendi ove bolje epizode po 2,3 naslovnice!Btw ova prva naslovnica definitivno najgora Zagorova ikad,ako ne računamo one stare sa losom kolorizacijom! |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 18:08:32
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A kao da je kolor išta bolji na ovoj naslovnici s rukom, u stvari, to je najlošije obojana Zagorova naslovnica koju sam vidio. |
Sinaitakala Tu'imatamoana 'i Fanakavakilangi Fakafanua |
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 18:43:23
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Vjerovao sam da je teller najveći forumski "pacijent", ali sad vidim da ih ima još. 
Ne znam je li to utješno, ili... No dobro, barem Berni može mirnije spavati.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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D.J.
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
7143 Posts
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 19:03:40
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Vjerovao sam da je teller najveći forumski "pacijent", ali sad vidim da ih ima još. 
Ne znam je li to utješno, ili... No dobro, barem Berni može mirnije spavati.
Haha! Morat cu i ja poceti raditi Zagor variant covere!  "Dati ljudima izbora!"  |
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Poncho
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Croatia
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 19:31:49
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Bure je Hellingena pretvorio u nizozemskog rasista?
Ono koji kurac      
Ova priča mi nije još na dnevnom redu ali vidim da su sva moja pesimistična predviđanja ostvarena. Neki su se nadali da će Bure možda pogoditi jer je priču davno napravio ali je bila u ladici. Pa jasno da je bila u ladici, Nollita ni na opojnim sredstvima ne bi odobrio takvo smeće. |
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Rahazlam
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Croatia
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 19:56:08
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
A kao da je kolor išta bolji na ovoj naslovnici s rukom, u stvari, to je najlošije obojana Zagorova naslovnica koju sam vidio.
Mislim na one stare koji su izlazili u Italiji 60ih,crveno nebo Chicho u plavom odijelu i tak... Pa i ova je losa s rukom ali ne toliko ko one prve! |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 20:33:37
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Ali te stare naslovnice su barem bile dobro nacrtane dok ove nove nisu ni to, kolor u 60-ima nije ni mogao biti bolji dok danas unatoč svim mogućnostima koloristi opet ne znaju svoj posao. |
Sinaitakala Tu'imatamoana 'i Fanakavakilangi Fakafanua |
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guderian
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 21:02:51
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quote: Originally posted by adriano
Ne.quote: Originally posted by karven
quote: Originally posted by adriano
došao sam do 300 stranice. Sviđa mi se ideja da se Helingen vraća u vrijeme prije demona ludila i da utjelovljuje 100 % zločinca. Buratini je bio dovoljno pristojan pa nije mijenjao nolitine osnovne postavke helingenovog lika i djela.
Nije menjao osnovne postavke lika i dela? Pristojan? Jel se ti zezaš?
Znači, unatoč tome što je Helingen inače znao podcjenjivati ostale ljude na intelektualnoj osnovi, a ovdje je žestoki rasista, ti misliš da mu nije promjenjen karakter?! U 6 prijašnjih pojavljivanja nije bilo spomena rasizmu dok ovdje vidimo njegove rasističke ispade koji nemaju veze sa prijašnjim Helingenovim pojavljivanjima. K tome se ovdje opisuje njegovo ponašanje od ranije, znači ne neki drugi Helingen (čovjek se promijenio sa godinama) već onaj isti koji je već viđen samo što nam je sada prišapnuto da je žestoki rasist! Kao da nam sada otkriju da je Zagor obožavatelj malih poljskih voluharica i da ih svakodnevno u vrtu hrani dok se Čiko u slobodno vrijeme bavi prostitucijom (naime, on je makro).
Nek ti bude
Nego, treba samo spomenuti da u to vrijeme neki znanstvenik i izađe sa takvim tezama sigurno ne bi bio izbačen sa instituta ni fakulteta, niti bi mu kolege nešto posebno zamjerile. Pa pobogu, masa zemalja je tada imala ropstvo, indijance su smatrali nižom vrstom i to je bila državna politika. Tako su se odnosili i prema aboriđanima, indijcima i drugim azijantima i sigurno je takvih stavova bilo među znanstvenicima. Da ne govorimo kako je Darwin prikazivao svoju teoriju evolucije i klasificirao pojedine rase što nam njegovi pristaše danas kriju. |
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Giuda Ballerino
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Japan
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 21:20:28
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quote: Originally posted by guderian Nego, treba samo spomenuti da u to vrijeme neki znanstvenik i izađe sa takvim tezama sigurno ne bi bio izbačen sa instituta ni fakulteta, niti bi mu kolege nešto posebno zamjerile. Pa pobogu, masa zemalja je tada imala ropstvo, indijance su smatrali nižom vrstom i to je bila državna politika. Tako su se odnosili i prema aboriđanima, indijcima i drugim azijantima i sigurno je takvih stavova bilo među znanstvenicima. Da ne govorimo kako je Darwin prikazivao svoju teoriju evolucije i klasificirao pojedine rase što nam njegovi pristaše danas kriju.
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teller
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Slovenia
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 22:02:31
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Uh koji problem....sto Helligen prije nije jasno izrazio svoje rasisticke poglede... Pa covjek je najprvo htio zavladati svijetom, pa kad mu su porasli apetiti... Ko da covjek u 10-20 godina ne moze *napredovat*.... Koliko vas ima da ne mijenjate stavove,poglede na svijet ili svetonadzore? Pa pola Yuge se iz komunista i titoista za cas pretvorilo u velike demokrate i patriote i pohrlil u crkve...valjda da operu ruke zamazane od jos toplih listova najnovijeg Komunista.. Ako ko ne zna Komunist je bio casopis tadasnje partije. Vi mozete a Helligen mora od prvih koraka do smrti ostati isti.. Bljezgarite gluposti, dobro je to Bure odradio.
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CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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Zoroasterixx
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Croatia
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 22:24:06
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quote: Originally posted by teller
Uh koji problem....sto Helligen prije nije jasno izrazio svoje rasisticke poglede... Pa covjek je najprvo htio zavladati svijetom, pa kad mu su porasli apetiti... Ko da covjek u 10-20 godina ne moze *napredovat*.... Koliko vas ima da ne mijenjate stavove,poglede na svijet ili svetonadzore? Pa pola Yuge se iz komunista i titoista za cas pretvorilo u velike demokrate i patriote i pohrlil u crkve...valjda da operu ruke zamazane od jos toplih listova najnovijeg Komunista.. Ako ko ne zna Komunist je bio casopis tadasnje partije. Vi mozete a Helligen mora od prvih koraka do smrti ostati isti.. Bljezgarite gluposti, dobro je to Bure odradio.
Ovdje nije riječ o Hellingenu koji je "uznapredovao" do rasista već o njegovoj prošlosti gdje je prikazan kao da je uvijek takav i bio. |
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adriano
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Croatia
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Posted - 22/02/2016 : 22:48:43
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Kako je i receno malo je naivno i idealisticki prikazano ono izbacivanje helingena sa predavanja. Vjerojatno bi bio prihvacen u drustvu kao genije a ne ludak. Ne vidim nikakav problem u tome sto je prikazan kao rasist. To je bilo i prije vidljivo iz njegovih ranijih epizoda. Ne kuzim kakva bi to njegova proslost trebala biti. Vjerojatno su neki prizeljkivali da je potomak nekog djavla ili nesto takvo. Dobro je to bure prikazao u onom podrumu.meni je jedina zamjerka kraj koji je lose i na brzinu odraden. |
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mladjo
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Posted - 23/02/2016 : 00:52:49
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Evo pročitao i ja Hellyja 
Par stvari: - Jednom ću stvarno morati doublje istražiti tu TAM - TAM abecedu da skužik kak mogu lupanjem po šupljem deblu "napisati" "velika prijetnja nadvila se nad Darkwoodom, Tonka očekuje Zagora na zaravni mrtvog drveta." Mislim, kak su "natipkali" "zaravan mrtvog drveta na tom šupljem balvanu
- Ak' je Helly tak genijalan zakaj si lice ne popravi? Ok, sad nije imal vremena ali tao u Boselijevom Hellingenu ga je imao napretek. Kaj, može stvoriti Terminatore a ne mre si maknuti par bubuljca s face?
- Stvaranje nove tehno - rase slično je stvaranju Tehnodroida u NN svijetu.
- 414. strana: Zagor kao He - man
Sve u svemu, zabavna epizodica. Kraj je prezbrzan a ostalo je onak za prolaznu ocjenu ali ništa spektakularno. Definitivno je ovo tebala biti bolja epizoda.
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COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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Tonka24
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Posted - 23/02/2016 : 03:04:41
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Bas mi je drago vidjeti sada kad su ljudi procitali, da epizoda ima smisla da nije bas teski promasaj kao sto su govorili nasi " talijani" koji su ranije procitali. |
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adriano
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Croatia
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Posted - 23/02/2016 : 07:52:05
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NIje promašaj. Meni se sviđa ideja da je mladi helingen psihopat i serijski ubojica. Kažnjena je i vojska koja je prešla preko svega toga samo da dođe do novih izuma. |
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Tonka24
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karven
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Serbia
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Posted - 23/02/2016 : 10:45:56
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I ja mislim da neki ljudi subjektivno gledaju na sve ovo, samo nemamo na umu iste ljude. Ne treba progutati i opravdati svaki drek samo jer ima orla na crvenoj majici. |
All is one in Darkseid. This mighty body is my church. When I command your surrender, I speak with three billion voices. When I make a fist to crush your resistance. It is with three billion hands. |
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