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manhunter
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Switzerland
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 17:06:55
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Ne smetaju mi tekstovi, ako mi zasmetaju, ne slušam i to je to. Nisam nikakav religiozni fundamentalista kakvim me ovde predstavljaju. Pa pre par godina sam izbacio gomilu njih koji su vređali gej paradu i pripadnike iste populacije. Da li sam rekao da sam "pro" gej orijentisan? Nisam.
A ako nekome nešto zasmeta, meni kao moderatoru je dužnost da reagujem. Toliko. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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manhunter
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Switzerland
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 17:12:11
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A satanizam mi smeta, pošto se bazira na mržnji. Bez hrišćanstva nema ni sotonizma. Ali mi ti "satanisti" smešno izgledaju, nešto poput neonacista. American history X je objasnio problematiku, ista može da se primeni na sataniste.
Najžešće mi je kad se ljudi pale na Marilyn Mansona, koji je privatno u stvari kao neka sredovečna žena. A i ostali bendovi jedno prikazuju na pozornici, a drugo u privatnom životu. To što ljudi misle da ovi i privatno drže crne mise i slična sranja više govori o tim ljudima nego o članovima benda. Sve je u novcu, dok se nešto dobro prodaje, ne menja se. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 17:59:38
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Ako se što ne prodaje onda je to black metal, najmanje komercijalna muzika koja može postojati. Možda nešto uspiju zaraditi stari poznati bendovi kao Immortal, Darkthrone i slični... ali za ostale ne vjerujem. |
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DODSFERD
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 18:10:48
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Ovaj finski bend još ima ''normalne'' tekstove, ali je zato cover albuma (vidljiv u ovom klipu) čista blasfemija. Urn čak niti ne svira black već više vuče na thrash, ali je svejedno puno bolji za poslušati od svega onoga što su npr. Sepultura i Slayer napravili u zadnjih 20-ak godina.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgR3jDxLmio |
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Edited by - solar on 01/03/2018 18:58:09 |
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manhunter
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Switzerland
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manhunter
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DODSFERD
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manhunter
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manhunter
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Switzerland
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 18:27:01
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Da posle ne bude da nismo znali:
NAJSTROŽE JE ZABRANJENO BILO KAKVO ILI IKAKVO RASPRAVLJANJE O POLITICI, LJUDIMA IZ POLITIKE, UBOJSTVIMA, ATENTATIMA, MAFIJAŠKIM OBRAČUNIMA, O CRKVI, INKVIZICIJI...
Postavljanje avatara koji su u bilo kakvoj vezi sa stavkom 4 nije dozvoljeno. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 18:30:36
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Exploitedi su čak upotrebljavali njezin lik na omotima svojih albuma, a najbolji HC/punk album svih vremena se zove Let's Start a War... ...Said Maggie One Day. Što sam ja svime ovime htio reći? Kako to da se ljudi bune kada je u pitanju muzika koja govori protiv vjere a ne bune se kada govori protiv političara? Kako to da Margaret Thatcher nije smetalo da se pljuje po njoj tako javno? Vjerojatno joj nije bilo bitno ili je smatrala da je to samo obilčna muzika koja služi za zabavu i koja joj nikako ne može nauditi. To je poanta svega koju neki ljudi na ovom forumu uporno ne mogu shvatiti.
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manhunter
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 18:36:23
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
Makni ova dva sranja.
Tebi su to sranja a meni muzika koju slušam. Kako je ovo muzički topic, i to još o metalu, ima potpuno pravo biti ovdje jer bi tjeranje na micanje bila diskriminacija. Odi na bilo koji forum na svijetu i nigdje nećeš pronaći da je zabranjeno stavljati muziku na za to predviđeno mjesto. Zar je ovaj tako poseban da bi bio drugačiji???? |
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morski
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Poli
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Slovenia
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 19:48:50
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
A satanizam mi smeta, pošto se bazira na mržnji. Bez hrišćanstva nema ni sotonizma. Ali mi ti "satanisti" smešno izgledaju, nešto poput neonacista. American history X je objasnio problematiku, ista može da se primeni na sataniste.
Najžešće mi je kad se ljudi pale na Marilyn Mansona, koji je privatno u stvari kao neka sredovečna žena. A i ostali bendovi jedno prikazuju na pozornici, a drugo u privatnom životu. To što ljudi misle da ovi i privatno drže crne mise i slična sranja više govori o tim ljudima nego o članovima benda. Sve je u novcu, dok se nešto dobro prodaje, ne menja se.
Zanimljivo da si pomenuo neonaciste. Sotonisticki i "sotonisticki" tekstovi mi u pesmama u principu ne smetaju (ali se isto tako ne palim na njih kao neki adolescent). U biti ne citam tekstove bendova vec nekih... sta ja znam, skoro 20 godina? Ili veoma retko ih pogledam/procitam. U biti ionako cujes sta pricaju pa... znas (ili ne znas ). No smetaju mi razna nacionaliticka i neonacisticka sranja. Tu bi imao problem da saznam da mi neki, ajmo reci dragi bend, ima clana koji je npr. neonacista. Naravno ne zanima me NSBM.
Marilyn Mansona je iznimno inteligentna osoba, koja zna kako "provocirati".
Naravno, i metal muzicari su najcesce doma sasvim obicni ukucani. No dobro, mozda spale po koju crkvu na putu da pokupe klinca u vrticu. *sala* (<-- titlovi) 
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manhunter
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Switzerland
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Posted - 26/02/2018 : 20:21:24
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MM je inteligentan, naravno. Njegova pojava je za napaljene fanove. Scenski nastup koji je opravdan.
I Rammstein koketira sa nacističkom ideologijom, iako su levičari. Till je takođe veoma inteligentan. Takvi su bili i Ozzy i Alice Cooper. I Kiss. I...ima milion primera.
Sve je show i predstava, a ako neko sa 40 godina to ne shvata, već fura te fore i dalje, meni je smešan. |
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wesskowaz
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fler
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Posted - 27/02/2018 : 02:03:25
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
A satanizam mi smeta, pošto se bazira na mržnji.
Ovdje se varaš. Odnosno, misliš na nešto drugo (sasvim kriva percepcija javnosti, koja nema bolje ime za ono što isfuravaju mračniji podžanrovi i na čega se ekipa loži, pa je najlakše sve strpati u isti koš - a što je direktan rezultat pobune protiv nametanja "prave" religije svugdje i svima, i nije ništa drugo nego puka teatralnost i bunt s ciljem provokacije ) - sotonizam kao uvjerenje (religija, način života, kako hoćeš) kakvim ga je pokrenuo LaVey je nešto sasvim drugo i - ironično - oprečno suprotno mržnji.
Nemam inače veze s cijelom tom pričom na bilo kojoj bazi osim znatiželje (niti uopće slušam black), tek sam čitao neke stvari na temu jer je naprosto zanimljivo.
Međutim, mislim da ova tema nije mjesto na kojem bi se trebalo raspravljati o problematici žanra - pogotovo ne na način "ja ne kužim kako vi možete ovo ono" zalutalih padobranaca. Navratim ponekad vidjeti ima li kakvih zanimljivih preporuka, većinu linkova preskočim (jbg, sori, Dodsferde ) ali sam kroz duži period pokupio stvarno sjajnih bendova - i nikako ne stignem poslušati sve što bi i koliko htio .. a kamoli još da gubim vrijeme, recimo, na upadanje u temu o narodnoj i iščuđavanje činjenici da ljudi to, jelte, iz nekog meni nedokučivog razloga aktivno slušaju.
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Split your lungs with Blood and Thunder
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Poli
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Posted - 27/02/2018 : 08:31:42
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Ako smijem staviti jedan prijedlog, mada mislim da vec jesam (?).
U pitanju je Finski band Oranssi Pazuzu (u prijevodu Narancasti Pazuzu), jedan od rijetkih bandova koji me pozitivno iznenadio u posljednjih nekoliko godina. Za band kazu da je spoj Pink Floyda i black metala (ili radije recimo black metal zvuka, da se ne bi krivo razumjeli - "ideologija" i slicno ), sa finskim tekstovima. Za sada su izdali 4 albuma, 2 EP-ja i 1 split. Znaci psihadelija u najboljoj formi.
The band's motto is "Oranssi Pazuzu makes music that invites all the arsonists and smokers to hold hands."
https://youtu.be/3iyPePg5XWQ
https://youtu.be/DMkX4oeNIs8
https://youtu.be/rrZR6pUH-rU
https://youtu.be/z4brqp2Y0Fc

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Poli
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Posted - 27/02/2018 : 09:20:19
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Uz ovaj posljednji "konflikt" pasu i francuski Deathspell Omega. Band o kome se ne zna mnogo toga, jer...
There is little to no concrete information about Deathspell Omega's lineup - they do not have any official website, social media platform or promotional photos, have never performed live and do not list credits in their releases. Finnish musician Mikko Aspa is most commonly cited as the vocalist. It is known that Hirilorn vocalist Shaxul was Deathspell Omega's vocalist until 2002, and has gone on record as leaving due to displeasure with the band's shift in themes. Early interviews were deeply critical of the black metal scene, and the last interview they agreed to was conducted by their North American label The Ajna Offensive, with questions and answers sent through the band's exclusive label, Norma Evangelium Diaboli, to preserve their identity.
Njihovi tekstovi su vise filozofski i prvenstveno se bave sotonizmom na metafizickoj razini. Glazbeno su poceli sa "surovim" BM, da bi kasnije postali kompleksniji, tehnicniji, eksperimentalniji, u svoj zvuk ukljucujuci i pravoslavno i gregorijansko pjevanje te zborsku glazbu, kao i dosta citata iz Biblije.
Ova njihova stvar mi je i dalje daleko najbolja od svega sto su napravili (mada se neki ovdje ne bi slozili sa mnom). Cak se i sjecam da sam gledao film iz kojeg je ona zenska recitacija (neki americki film), ali ga se trenutno ne sjecam (mislim naslova filma ).
“Death is the most terrible thing; And to maintain its works is what requires the greatest strength” – Hegel
https://youtu.be/eq-Zh_4EdZE
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Dukidule
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Poli
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Dukidule
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Posted - 27/02/2018 : 12:47:55
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quote: Originally posted by Poli
dobro de, nije sve za svakoga... znate onu, nije zvaka za... 
Nema veze, pa makar bio i seljak, al’ meni ipak drečanje. Žvake rijetko žvaćem, al’ zato bar još dobro čujem, glasić svake ptičice kod nas na selu. |
Za koga ja navijam samo je moja stvar. A ljubav je jedna, jedina... |
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