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U životinjskom carstvu zvijeri se ne vole, ali se ni ne mrze. Ljubav i mržnja čine cjelinu. Univerzalnu cjelinu, vrhovnu cjelovitost koju bismo mogli nazvati božanstvenost ili ljubav. Ljubav koju čovjek nikada neće dosegnuti.
Kolorka 117 • Love • 328 stranica • Kolor • 215 x 280 mm • Tvrdi uvez • Scenarij Frédéric Brrémaud • Crtež Federico Bertolucci • Prijevod Matea Krpina • Lektura i redaktura Marko Šunjić • Dizajn Melina Mikulić • Datum objavljivanja 3.10.2018. • Cijena 250 Kn
http://www.fibra.hr/katalog/izdanja/kolorka-117-love/510/
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Djeluje vrlo interesantna ideja o stripu o zivotinjama bez rijeci. Lijepo nacrtano definitivno, ali po opisu radnje rekao bih mozda (pre)ambiciozno, vidjet cemo. |
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ivanl
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risbozg
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10.08.2003..''Kada nepravda postane zakon, otpor je tvoja dužnost.". AJMOOOOOOOO " CREME DE LA CREME HRVATSKE LIGE " DINAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Shaner
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Posted - 14/10/2018 : 18:41:54
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Autori iznenađujuće dobro uspijevaju ispričati priče samo crtežom, no nažalost one same meni i nisu previše zanimljive. Od četiri priče svidjela mi se tek jedna (Lisica) s tim da je još jedna solidna (Tigar). Crtežu se stvarno nema šta zamjeriti, ali ipak nije dovoljan da digne cijeli strip na neku višu razinu.
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anto
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Posted - 14/10/2018 : 20:24:48
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Šaneru,raduje me što pišeš osvrte na "sveže" Fibre - da nije tebe,ne bih čuo nijedno mišljenje o Markosovim novitetima. Ali ne volim što više ne ocenjuješ - i meni su prebacili 101 put što non stop lupam velike ocene,pa šta!?! Zabole me šta drugi misli - a meni znači da jednog dana vidim kako sam ocenio taj i taj strip. Zato se vrati unazad,i oceni sve one naslove koji se preskočio.
I čekam utiske za Jonasa i Tehniku međice. |
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Peyo
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Posted - 14/10/2018 : 20:43:15
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quote: Originally posted by Shaner
Autori iznenađujuće dobro uspijevaju ispričati priče samo crtežom, no nažalost one same meni i nisu previše zanimljive. Od četiri priče svidjela mi se tek jedna (Lisica) s tim da je još jedna solidna (Tigar). Crtežu se stvarno nema šta zamjeriti, ali ipak nije dovoljan da digne cijeli strip na neku višu razinu.
Molio bih te da objasniš što podrazumijevaš pod višom razinom: dobnu razinu čitatelja kojima bi ovo po tebi trebalo biti namijenjeno, kvalitetu/složenost/intelektualnu razinu priče i sl. ili nešto drugo?
Npr., koliko visoka razina su ti Bonellijevi stripovi? |
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Dr. Zistis
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Posted - 14/10/2018 : 21:23:56
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quote: Originally posted by anto
Šaneru,raduje me što pišeš osvrte na "sveže" Fibre - da nije tebe,ne bih čuo nijedno mišljenje o Markosovim novitetima. Ali ne volim što više ne ocenjuješ - i meni su prebacili 101 put što non stop lupam velike ocene,pa šta!?! Zabole me šta drugi misli - a meni znači da jednog dana vidim kako sam ocenio taj i taj strip. Zato se vrati unazad,i oceni sve one naslove koji se preskočio.
I čekam utiske za Jonasa i Tehniku međice.
Mislim da je super sto vise ne ocenjuje, ovako jos i moze da prodje  |
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Shaner
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Posted - 14/10/2018 : 22:26:11
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
quote: Originally posted by Shaner
Autori iznenađujuće dobro uspijevaju ispričati priče samo crtežom, no nažalost one same meni i nisu previše zanimljive. Od četiri priče svidjela mi se tek jedna (Lisica) s tim da je još jedna solidna (Tigar). Crtežu se stvarno nema šta zamjeriti, ali ipak nije dovoljan da digne cijeli strip na neku višu razinu.
Molio bih te da objasniš što podrazumijevaš pod višom razinom: dobnu razinu čitatelja kojima bi ovo po tebi trebalo biti namijenjeno, kvalitetu/složenost/intelektualnu razinu priče i sl. ili nešto drugo?
Npr., koliko visoka razina su ti Bonellijevi stripovi?
Opet ja i moje nes(p)retno izražavanje... Mislio sam na razinu dojmljivosti djela. Postoje stripovi kod kojih mi je crtež toliko dobar da "izvlači" slabiju priču i znatno popravlja sveukupan dojam, ovdje to nije slučaj. Nadam se da sam uspio pojasniti. 
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Shaner
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Posted - 14/10/2018 : 22:27:28
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quote: Originally posted by Dr. Zistis
quote: Originally posted by anto
Šaneru,raduje me što pišeš osvrte na "sveže" Fibre - da nije tebe,ne bih čuo nijedno mišljenje o Markosovim novitetima. Ali ne volim što više ne ocenjuješ - i meni su prebacili 101 put što non stop lupam velike ocene,pa šta!?! Zabole me šta drugi misli - a meni znači da jednog dana vidim kako sam ocenio taj i taj strip. Zato se vrati unazad,i oceni sve one naslove koji se preskočio.
I čekam utiske za Jonasa i Tehniku međice.
Mislim da je super sto vise ne ocenjuje, ovako jos i moze da prodje 

Anto, ocjene te čekaju na drugoj temi!
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Peyo
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Posted - 14/10/2018 : 22:41:11
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quote: Originally posted by Shaner
Opet ja i moje nes(p)retno izražavanje... Mislio sam na razinu dojmljivosti djela. Postoje stripovi kod kojih mi je crtež toliko dobar da "izvlači" slabiju priču i znatno popravlja sveukupan dojam, ovdje to nije slučaj. Nadam se da sam uspio pojasniti. 
Zar je priča toliko slabašna?
Ovo ću uzeti zbog crteža pa neka je priča i nešto lošija.
Napisat ću dojmove nakon što pročitam/pregledam. |
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Shaner
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Posted - 14/10/2018 : 23:01:52
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
quote: Originally posted by Shaner
Opet ja i moje nes(p)retno izražavanje... Mislio sam na razinu dojmljivosti djela. Postoje stripovi kod kojih mi je crtež toliko dobar da "izvlači" slabiju priču i znatno popravlja sveukupan dojam, ovdje to nije slučaj. Nadam se da sam uspio pojasniti. 
Zar je priča toliko slabašna?
Ovo ću uzeti zbog crteža pa neka je priča i nešto lošija.
Napisat ću dojmove nakon što pročitam/pregledam.
Zapravo su četiri priče, od kojih su meni dvije bile bezveze, jedna solidna i jedna mi se svidjela. Naravno, kod tebe može biti u potpunosti suprotno. Svakako javi dojmove kad pročitaš.
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Red Marquis
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Posted - 16/10/2018 : 02:57:43
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Jedna od slabijih Fibri. 4 priče o jednom danu u životu neke životinje gde se prikazuje (i prenaglašava) okrutnost tog sveta i borba za preživljavanje u tom perpetualnom lancu ishrane. Crtež jeste lep ali ima nepotrebnih kadrova ekspresija životinja koje odskaču od tona dela i više spadaju u neki dosadni Dizni animirani film. Od 4 priče, tigar mi je najbolji, pa onaj o lisici, a druga dve su mi, kao i Shaneru loše. Ovo je za one koji će uživati u kadrovima međusobnih borbi i klanja životinja, i onima koji ako gledaju nature dokumentarce, gledaju samo one o nekim hardkor predatorima... |
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zarmix
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Posted - 24/12/2018 : 00:23:46
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Zapravo prilično radikalno izdanje. Četiri poduža albuma sa životinjama i to još bez riječi. Jedini čovjek koji se na kratko pojavi biva vrlo brzo pojeden. Priča u kojoj ljudski rod, ne igra bitnu ulogu. No, čini se da kvalitet djela opada kako idemo prema kraju. Ideje se ponavljaju, a crtež zbrzava i pojednostavljuje. Kolor postaje nemaštovitiji, početni spektakularni kadrovi i vratolomne kompozicije prelaze u dosadnu jednoličnu akciju. Nakon prve dvije priče Tigra i Lisice, počinjemo osjećati zasićenje. Osim toga integral propušta priliku biti cjelovitim djelom i ne daje nam nikakvo objašnjenje zbog čega su ove četiri priče uopće skupljene u zajedničku zbirku. Šteta. |
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lwood
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Posted - 24/12/2018 : 07:41:13
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Crteži životinja katastrofa. Možda najlošije izdanje u ovoj turi. |
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boddhisatva
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Posted - 29/12/2018 : 20:47:09
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
Crteži životinja katastrofa. Možda najlošije izdanje u ovoj turi.
Ne bih se složio s time ... I smatram to izuzetnim izdavačkim pothvatom, dapaće i zrelosti i hrabrošću da je Fibra to izdala, nakon ovog Marko ima sav moj respect i naklon do poda. Čitao sam ga i daleko prije nego ga je Fibra izdala i na početku sam i sam bio zbunjen iako je strip zapravo vizualna poslastica (što se opet nekom neće sviđati) i onda uočio da je problem što ga čitamo - previše ljudski. Na taj način ne doživljavamo protagoniste stripa i njihove priče, ne sagledavamo detalje a u stripu ih ima zapravo dosta - samo treba tražiti. Ali ne ljudski, nego instinktivno, na razini pojedinog životinjskog protagonista pojedine epizode stripa. Tako je i kraj prve epizode sa tigrom zapravo poetska pravda u kojoj se pokazuje koliko je čovjek najslabije, najnezaštićenije, najokrutnije i najzlije biće od svih živućih a koji je to sposoban, potpomognut e jedino tim što vlada oružjem. Druga epizoda je thriller, treća je i meni na početku bila nejasna, ali onda sam utvrdio što se dešava sa mužjacima lavova nakon izbacivanja iz čopora ... i shvatio ... drama ... baš ljubav u obliku koji ne možemo azumijeti. Četvrta sa onim dinosaurima još mi nije ni samome jasna, neću reči da mi je najslabija ali opet nisam ni ušao u bit. Vjerojatno i zato jer mi je na umu neprestano bio i Delgado. Nije to tek tako neki krkljanac i klanje životinja, životinje ne poznaju okrutnost i svirepost, kod njih je borba borba a ne iživljavanje kao u ljudskom svijetu, ili obrambena ili zbog hrane ... itd itd itd
Zapravo, možda se i radi o tome da nas ljude sa našim ljudskim gledištima to uopće ni ne interesira?
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lwood
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Posted - 29/12/2018 : 22:37:10
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hm,pa zavisi koliko uopće poznaješ životinje. Koliko ih kužiš ka druge oblike života,druge vrste itd. Bez obzira koliko pročitaš knjiga,više ti o tome kaže praksa kad si oči u oči npr s tigrom.
 tada prestaje sva filozofija. 
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boddhisatva
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Posted - 29/12/2018 : 23:54:11
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
hm,pa zavisi koliko uopće poznaješ životinje. Koliko ih kužiš ka druge oblike života,druge vrste itd. Bez obzira koliko pročitaš knjiga,više ti o tome kaže praksa kad si oči u oči npr s tigrom.
 tada prestaje sva filozofija. 
i bio sam, lwoode bio sam oči u oči sa zvijeri istina: ne sa tigrom ... bila je to razjarena divlja svinja preda mnom ... i sam pogled u te njene oči, a u glavi ti se mota cjeli tvoj život i potpuno si u pravu u sljedećem: tada prestaje sva filozofija
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lwood
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Posted - 30/12/2018 : 08:51:19
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divlja svinja  sad zamisli filinga kad si na metar od tigra a dile vas ruzinave rešetke. Prvih par puta davanja mesa neću nikad zaboravit. a posli se navika . i on na mene i ja na njega.  iskustvo koje je teško opisat ričima. |
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lwood
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Posted - 30/12/2018 : 08:53:47
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ah da,nakon toga mi one Bonelli šeme kako Zagor ili neki drugi junaci ubijaju tigrove ili "samo" pume hladnim oružjem ili čak golim rukama nisu samo glupe nego potpuno retardirane.  |
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Posted - 30/12/2018 : 17:26:26
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a, u šumama Mljeta sam na nju naišao ... i izgleda čak joj nenamjerno zašao u blizinu brloga sa mladuncima i nakon nešto proganjanja po kamenjaru skočio sam na bor ... metar i pol ispod mene je bila i mrcina luda ... samo je jedno dobranih pedesetak puta nabijala glavu u bor da me strese s njega i roktala, roktala samo roktala prema meni razjapljenih čeljusti a ja posle od kore drveta i granja sav krvav, izgreban, cjeli sprej Bivacina su po meni potrosili, uffffff ma jasno, usr'o sam se kao grlica ;o)) |
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Posted - 30/12/2018 : 18:29:15
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Mene je samo jedan pijetao (kaze li se na hr pijetao? posto mi GR izbaci penis kad upisem petelin ) jednom divlje napao i ogrebao, a ja bio klinac. Isto mi strah izbacio mozag dok sam se branio i trcao. E, da me krmaca napala ili velikamaca... 
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boddhisatva
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Posted - 30/12/2018 : 19:06:48
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Kaže se i: pijetao, pijevac, kokot ... i isto je brezobrazno ;o)) Ma da te krmača ili nešto iz roda svinja napalo nastojalo bi te pošto poto ugristi. Netom prije tog događaja sa veprom sam vidio u vinogradu što su u stanju napraviti. U potrazi za vodom čak razruju vinovu lozu i pregrizu i korijen i ostalo. A možeš mislit kak je to tvrdo. Zagrize i prereže. A hebiga kada divlje svinje nemaju pametnija posla pa po cjeli dan si oštre donje kljove. sa onim gornjima. Ufff |
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