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solar
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supermark
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Spock
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Dexters
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Croatia
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koze123
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Dexters
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Croatia
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Posted - 15/08/2019 : 12:07:19
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quote: Originally posted by koze123
Hvala svima, biće još . I hvala za predlog, za prvi put sam išao najjednostavnije .
Ništa to "prvi put", već odmah do koske, ne podcjenjuj se ;) |
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Deers
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Posted - 15/08/2019 : 17:06:06
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quote: Originally posted by Deers
# 387: Neka caruje kaos! -13 do meteora
Kaos! Ali! Što je normalno za pauka za muhu je kaos. Takvim kaosom (se) služi John Ghost. Rrobe opet se pomalo reciklira. Kao i kod prvog pojavljivanja Axela Neila koristi situaciju iz same jezgre Dylanovih priča da bi je na kraju gurnuo preko ruba. Sve one situacije koje, više zbog nepisanih pravila i serijalnosti, su gotovo uvijek koliko god izgledale beznadeže i s kolikim god utijecajem na stvarnost bile se u pravilu vraćale na status quo, sada to Ghost ne dozvoljava. I zapravo je ideja ok. Sudar starog i novog. Pomalo i ogoli rupe starih priča ali iste ne popravlja već ih i dalje koristi kad je to potrebno (nasilje, neuhvatljivo nasilje, možda nikad bliže nego danas). Za sada sam zadovoljan, prijetnja je daleka, višeznačajno, što je možda najveći minus.
Nizzoli mi nikad nije legao do kraja ali ne kvari dojamam previše. Pogotovo jer ni Leomacs ne briljira. On je oldschool crtač, možda primjereniji Texu ali snašao i tu. Možda da je malo bolje gradirao Axela bi dojam bio bolji.
Pratim dalje.
Ponukan Zoxovom ložionom na temu DD odlućio sam nadoknaditi prpušteno i popratiti ciklus meteora.
#387 na drugo čitanje zadržava pozitivan dojam ali je malo više kontrastan. Dobre stavri izgledaju još bolje a loše još gore. Dylan je izbačen iz kolosjeka i otišao je u nekom drugom pravcu. da li je taj najbolji mogući, vjerojatno ne. Ali može biti zanimljiv
#388 nažalost nemam
#389: Preživjela - 11 do meteora Baraldi / Piccato i ostali
Baraldi mi nikad nije sjela a ja joj konstantno dajem šansu. Ovaj također djeluje lošnjikavo. Podsjeća na stare Rujuove epizode, ali na one lošije. Dio vezan uz narativnu liniju poboljšava dojam (malo) ali isto tako strši od ostatka stripa. Ima zanimljivu premisu, ali temu ukletog filma su bolje obrađivali drugi autori prije (padaju mi na pamet Faraci i Accatino). Piccatto (zapravo cijela familija skoro9 ovdje djeluju konzistentnije, vjerojatno na radost mnogih ali ne i mene. Ne poboljšavaju bljedunjav dojam.
#390 Pad Bogova - 12 do meteora Barbato / Casertano
Ovo je bolje iako se tako nije činilo na kilavom početku. Barbatao tu koristi svoj poznati motiv zatvaranja (mučenja) Dylana, samo je to povod malo drukčiji. Priča nategnuto drži vodu a ako ne za sve je kriv meteor. Na kraju sam zadovoljan zaklopio zadnju stranicu.
Za sada ne mogu reći da je to puno bolje od niskih očekivanja ali i tako malo povezane priče vuču na čitanje i otkrivanje što će biti dalje. Podsjeća malo da ono Martinovo odbrojavanje za jubilej koji mi se isto svidio.
Rrobe bi možda trebao biti malo angažiraniji, vidim različite kontradiktornosti kojih ne bi trebalo biti. Nebitno za radnju pa nije spoiler ali ide upozorenje! U #289 bude uništena buba da mi u sljedećem broju ona bila uredno u voznom stanju. Ovaj ciklus pretendira 8kao sam ja shvatio) na usko vezane real-time priče pa takve stvari malo smetaju.
Idemo dalje.
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Nula
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Posted - 15/08/2019 : 18:37:36
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quote:
Idemo dalje.
Po recenzijama Italijana izgleda da su brojevi od 392 pa nadalje mnogo bolji od ovih par uvodnih (ne uključujuci #387) :D Više se tiču meteora i apokalipse kao metafore.
Dosta hvale i ovaj najnoviji Ambrozinijev broj; |
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Zox
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Posted - 16/08/2019 : 10:55:45
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Upravo sam procitao na cravenroad da ce broj 400 izaci u knjizarama puno prije nego na trafikama, vec u septembru (!) Ne kontam logiku. Broj 400 je pomalo "odvezan" od meteora, ali je u njemu jasno da li su uspjeli zaustaviti meteor ili ne. Ne znam zasto bi poslije ljudi citali brojeve koji ce izaci do broja 400. |
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Nula
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Posted - 16/08/2019 : 11:24:18
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quote: Originally posted by Zox
Upravo sam procitao na cravenroad da ce broj 400 izaci u knjizarama puno prije nego na trafikama, vec u septembru (!) Ne kontam logiku. Broj 400 je pomalo "odvezan" od meteora, ali je u njemu jasno da li su uspjeli zaustaviti meteor ili ne. Ne znam zasto bi poslije ljudi citali brojeve koji ce izaci do broja 400.
Mislio sam da su najavili da će ta crno bela verzija izaći na Lucca. Septembar je baš rano
Iz tizera vidimo da je meteor pao, ako nije varka :D |
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Deers
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Zox
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Posted - 16/08/2019 : 12:00:30
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Da, ali to znaci da ih fakat vise nije briga za trafike. usput, u table broja 400 nije jos upisan tekst, tako da se i meni coni bas rano. |
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Deers
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Posted - 16/08/2019 : 12:21:23
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Nije da ih nije briga. Dok prodaja na kioscima blago ali sigurno pada ona u knjižarama (što se tiče SBEa) još izgleda nije dostigla plafon. Nije da bi preživili samo sa knjižarama ali shvatili su da ako imaju kupca koji će kupiti luksuzno i kisok izdanje, zašto to ne i ponuditi. Sindrom Disney, prodati manjem broju ljudi što više stripova. |
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morski
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Posted - 16/08/2019 : 12:30:55
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quote: Originally posted by Deers
Nije da ih nije briga. Dok prodaja na kioscima blago ali sigurno pada ona u knjižarama (što se tiče SBEa) još izgleda nije dostigla plafon. Nije da bi preživili samo sa knjižarama ali shvatili su da ako imaju kupca koji će kupiti luksuzno i kisok izdanje, zašto to ne i ponuditi. Sindrom Disney, prodati manjem broju ljudi što više stripova...
...po sto vecim cenama.
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Kompletni popis Bonelli stripova u Excelu |
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Deers
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Croatia
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Nula
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solar
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Posted - 16/08/2019 : 14:18:05
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quote: Originally posted by Nula
Rathiger više neće pisati za DD, a ako sam dobro razumeo, ni stripove generalno O_o
Zna li se razlog? |
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Deers
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Posted - 16/08/2019 : 14:20:07
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Vidio sam samo da pišu da nije poslao nove prijedloge. Navodno loše recenzije od strane čitatelja. Ne znam za ovo drugo.
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supermark
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Posted - 16/08/2019 : 14:42:50
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quote: Originally posted by Deers
Nije da ih nije briga. Dok prodaja na kioscima blago ali sigurno pada ona u knjižarama (što se tiče SBEa) još izgleda nije dostigla plafon. Nije da bi preživili samo sa knjižarama ali shvatili su da ako imaju kupca koji će kupiti luksuzno i kisok izdanje, zašto to ne i ponuditi. Sindrom Disney, prodati manjem broju ljudi što više stripova.
Malo su mi nejasni ti koji kupuju talijanake Dylane u knjižarama Imas 399 brojeva u SC i zadnji kupiš u HC? Ili, jos čudnije, nemaš niti jedan strip od prije ali kupiš 400. broj u HC-u? |
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DOMI
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Posted - 17/08/2019 : 09:25:00
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quote: Originally posted by supermark
quote: Originally posted by Deers
Nije da ih nije briga. Dok prodaja na kioscima blago ali sigurno pada ona u knjižarama (što se tiče SBEa) još izgleda nije dostigla plafon. Nije da bi preživili samo sa knjižarama ali shvatili su da ako imaju kupca koji će kupiti luksuzno i kisok izdanje, zašto to ne i ponuditi. Sindrom Disney, prodati manjem broju ljudi što više stripova.
Malo su mi nejasni ti koji kupuju talijanake Dylane u knjižarama Imas 399 brojeva u SC i zadnji kupiš u HC? Ili, jos čudnije, nemaš niti jedan strip od prije ali kupiš 400. broj u HC-u?
I meni to nije jasno. Ili "guraš" sve u SC ili u HC verziji... Nekakav red na polici treba biti |
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Risar_69
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Posted - 17/08/2019 : 09:30:36
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quote: Originally posted by supermark
quote: Originally posted by Deers
Nije da ih nije briga. Dok prodaja na kioscima blago ali sigurno pada ona u knjižarama (što se tiče SBEa) još izgleda nije dostigla plafon. Nije da bi preživili samo sa knjižarama ali shvatili su da ako imaju kupca koji će kupiti luksuzno i kisok izdanje, zašto to ne i ponuditi. Sindrom Disney, prodati manjem broju ljudi što više stripova.
Malo su mi nejasni ti koji kupuju talijanake Dylane u knjižarama Imas 399 brojeva u SC i zadnji kupiš u HC? Ili, jos čudnije, nemaš niti jedan strip od prije ali kupiš 400. broj u HC-u?
Ja sam kupio samo one četiri broje(386-390-meteor) gdje su unutra karte, a Color fest gdje je kutija od tarok karata nisam još dobio ali je naručeno u Trstu, i mislim, da taj broj neču dobiti. A karte ču porsortirati u jedan album, kao sličice. To je isto kao za albume sa sličicama, ako zakasniš, ide dalje, a kioski naruče samo malo proizvoda ili po narudžbi-tako je sa sličicama, ako npr. želiš 2 pune kutije, moraš da jih pre naručiš. A žao mi je što sam zakasnio i onaj broj DYD gdje je unutra poster. Bar u Trstu ili Miljama ili uz granicu gdje su kioski, daju samo ograničenu cifru proizvoda, tako da pratim kad če koji album sa sličicama izači i onda naručim, na žalost se vidi, da i u Italiji ne ide kupnja kao nekada.
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morski
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Posted - 17/08/2019 : 15:29:35
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quote: Originally posted by DOMI
quote: Originally posted by supermark
quote: Originally posted by Deers
Nije da ih nije briga. Dok prodaja na kioscima blago ali sigurno pada ona u knjižarama (što se tiče SBEa) još izgleda nije dostigla plafon. Nije da bi preživili samo sa knjižarama ali shvatili su da ako imaju kupca koji će kupiti luksuzno i kisok izdanje, zašto to ne i ponuditi. Sindrom Disney, prodati manjem broju ljudi što više stripova.
Malo su mi nejasni ti koji kupuju talijanake Dylane u knjižarama Imas 399 brojeva u SC i zadnji kupiš u HC? Ili, jos čudnije, nemaš niti jedan strip od prije ali kupiš 400. broj u HC-u?
I meni to nije jasno. Ili "guraš" sve u SC ili u HC verziji... Nekakav red na polici treba biti
evo ne mogu da se oporavim od šoka i neverice! idi, molim te... da neko tako brutalno meša SC i HC... pa da li je moguće da se neko tako odnosi prema svojoj kolekciji? zar nas ima takvih? zar nekima ništa nije sveto? pa kuda ide ovaj svet... kuda idu divlje svinje...? |
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Zox
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Posted - 17/08/2019 : 18:03:54
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"Razgadjam" ovo sto sam cuo i sto mogu reci na nekoliko dana, da bude zanimljivije. Carnevale vise nece crtati Dylan Doga. Odluku je donio sam, iz vjerskih razloga. |
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solar
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Posted - 17/08/2019 : 18:56:32
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quote: Carnevale vise nece crtati Dylan Doga. Odluku je donio sam, iz vjerskih razloga.
Da, sjećam se da je to Recchioni spominjao prije godinu dana mislim na nekom talijanskom forumu. |
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