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ziki
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279 Posts
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Posted - 16/09/2018 : 02:49:59
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Ponekad mi se dogodi da mi nešto smeta na crtežu, bio on CB ili kolor, no jednom kad priča ponese crtež postaje sredstvo i fokus ode na priču, a sam crtež dobije puni smisao. |
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Peyo
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Croatia
10483 Posts
Member since 28/10/2005 |
Posted - 16/09/2018 : 11:15:17
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quote: Originally posted by Humbert Coe Pola Mironovih djela nije ni za trojku. A znao sam vidjeti i inkunabule bez naslovnica...
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RaoulDuke
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Croatia
454 Posts
Member since 02/05/2016 |
Posted - 10/10/2018 : 18:42:06
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quote: Originally posted by Tonka24
Imam par izdanja fire,neke albume,kolorke,žive mrtvace... Sjećam se da sam davno čitao nekog marvela mislim da je pisalo 1602 i nije me nešto pretjerano oduševilo,zanima me razlika između toga i stripova koje izdaje fibra?
Nema ti tu razlike. Sve ti je to isto. Nekakve črčkarije i tekstovi u oblačićima. |
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angeliczg
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Croatia
200 Posts
Member since 09/07/2002 |
Posted - 10/10/2018 : 18:42:12
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Kupovanje 10 knjiga nakon 30 godina nečitanja je kao pucanj u mraku. Moja preporuka - prvo prošeći do neke knjižnjice koja je puna stripova. Sjedni i kreni listati. Pogledaj što je kako nacrtano. Ako se uhvatiš da čitaš u samoj knjižnici i želiš čitati dalje - to su očito kandidati za kupnju/detaljnije proučavanje. Također mi je nevjerojatno da nakon 30 godina nemaš apetita/želje pristupiti stripu drugačije. "Maus" je jako bitno djelo ali ti ga ne bih preporučio dok ne pročitaš bar 100 stripova sada. I čitati "Mausa" u boji bi bilo prilično degradirajuće ali ti ne možemo objasniti zašto dok ga ne pročitaš. "V for Vendetta" pak ima malo grublji crtež no kad se udubiš i shvatiš kompleksnost svih dijelova - crtež postaje manje bitan. Uglavnom sve od Fibre ima neku vrijednost u svijetu stripa jer takav je Markov ukus izdavanja - no to ne znači da se meni ili tebi treba svidjeti baš sve. Dapače - neke stripove treba pročitati da bi ih smislenije mrzio :) |
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Shaner
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Croatia
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DiSkAcH
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Croatia
6365 Posts
Member since 05/12/2016 |
Posted - 16/10/2018 : 18:47:36
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A po meni teško da će ti nešto pomoći ako privju nije...kao da je tuđe mišljenje bitno, svi smo različiti ;) |
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supermark
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Kerempir
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1618 Posts
Member since 09/10/2018 |
Posted - 16/10/2018 : 19:25:56
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quote: Originally posted by Tonka24
Hvala na preporuci, nije točno da nemam volje za pristupiti stripu drugačije, da je tako ne bi me zanimala Fibra 
Gledam si uzeti Habibi,VAM i indijasnko ljeto. Može li netko više napisati? Gledao sam kratko na Fibrinom sajtu, dio koji je besplatan.
Meni je to sve bezveze, kao bonellijevac kreni prvo sa zlato i krv, pa ćemo popričati dalje. |
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Poli
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Slovenia
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Member since 26/10/2007 |
Posted - 16/10/2018 : 19:43:22
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Izuzevski Ken Parkera, uzmi Punishera, Ubojicu, Marsal Bass, Skalpirani, Zivi mrtvaci, Hombre, Frank Cappa, Kriminal, Bilo jednom u Francuskoj, Bosanske basne, Dzin, Vrh bogova, Fotograf (ne znam da li je za tebe?), Evropa (ovaj je sigurno za tebe, sad0 kad radis vani ;D), Svagdanja borba...
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stripnik
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767 Posts
Member since 30/12/2010 |
Posted - 06/04/2020 : 12:25:39
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Ekipa, hvala na vašim listama. Malo je potrajalo, ali eto stigla je moja prva narudžba. Planiram naručivati 10ak knjiga svaka 2-3 mjeseca.Naravno, i dalje slušajući vaše savjete. Hvala vam svima.
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stripnik
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767 Posts
Member since 30/12/2010 |
Posted - 06/04/2020 : 13:51:49
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Ja sam završio montažu na ADU u Zagrebu. Koketirao sam puno i sa kamerom. Shvaćam vrijednost CB fotografije i filma. Paralela se može povući i sa stripom. Shvaćam i poštujem ali ne volim je. Upotrebljavana je uglavnom kada je igrom svjetla trebalo impresionirati stare prdonje - profesore. Ista stvar se događa i sa filmom i Oscarima. Film se pretaće u CB isključivo iz razloga dodvoravanja starim članovima akademije. Iznimka su, što se mene tiče, samo SInCity i Schindlerova lista. Mada i oni imaju crvenu boju. Uglavnom kad ne uspjevamo naglasiti radnju pibjegavamo oduzimanju saturacije. Rijetko kada to radimo smisleno i planirano. Jako rijetko. Stvar je osobna. Meni bez boje fali jedna dimenzija.
quote: Originally posted by Obi-wan
quote: Originally posted by stripnik
Hvala vam svima na sugestijama. Pogledat ću recenzije za svaki od stripova koje ste preporučili.
Ispričavam se svima zbog CB stripova. Znam da se nećete složiti, ali skupa izdanja u tvrdim koricama i crno bijeli strip ne idu mi zajedno. Bez obzira na umjetničku posebnost CB stripa ne mogu uhvatiti atmosferu radnje. Kao da mi fali jedna dimenzija ugođaja.
Molim i ostale koji prate Fibrina izdanja da daju svoju listu. Nadam se da će i ostalima biti zanimljive.
Tnx još jednom.
To za boju ti je početnička greška. Sjećam se kada sam bio klinac, pa izašao Zagor u boji A4. Čudo neviđeno, a strip me jako razočarao. Neki od najboljih stripova su c/b. Najzagriženiji ljubitelji stripa čak tvrde da se od boje ne vide sve crtačeve linije pa se suprotno tvojem razmišljanju čak gubi jedna dimenzija stripa. Osobno volim boju, a molim te, vjeruj mi na riječ, neki stripovi ne zahtjevaju boju i savršeni su u c/b tehnici...
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Tonto
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8854 Posts
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Posted - 06/04/2020 : 15:30:40
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Ja ću ti isto reći da griješiš. Paralela s filmom ovdje ne stoji. Filmovi se snimaju, stripovi se crtaju. Ne želim ti pametovati, ali praktički svaki crtež koji se zasniva na šrafiranju bojanjem gubi barem 50% efekta. Bojanje recimo Toppija, Wrightsona ili nekih Moebiusovih radova je degradacija umjetničkog djela. Ista stvar je s autorima čiji se crtež zasniva na kontrastu poput Millera ili Chaboutea. Ukusi su uredu, ali razumijevanje medija nešto sasvim drugo. Nadam se da ćeš u budućnosti dati šansu i nekim cb stripovima. |
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kifi
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NESVRSTANI
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Croatia
10519 Posts
Member since 08/02/2006 |
Posted - 06/04/2020 : 15:35:23
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Meni je isto usporedba sa filmon totalno promašena. I ne radi se o nikakvon pametovanju. Tvrdnja da bez boje fali dimenzija je pucanj u prazno. Ja bi reka da stripnik ne može govorit ni da mu se sviđa ni da mu se ne sviđa. Jedino šta može reć je da on crno-bijeli crtež ne razumije. |
Doli sve stranke!!! Živili naši dušmani!!! |
Edited by - NESVRSTANI on 06/04/2020 15:35:48 |
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solar
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Croatia
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tinton
stripovi.com suradnik
    
United Kingdom
19801 Posts
Member since 23/10/2011 |
Posted - 06/04/2020 : 16:17:34
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Sada kada je ponovno aktualan, pročitao sam ovaj topic i mogu reći da dosta govori o ovom forumu.
Random novi forumaš: Pozdrav ljudi, vidim da ovdje ljudi znaju o stripu, jel' mi možete preporučiti nešto što je napravljeno u zadnjih dvadeset godina, u boji i da je radnja u današnjem vremenu.
Forumaši stripovi.com: Ne može, mi ćemo ti preporučiti što se nama sviđa: Maus, Spaghetti Brothers, Watchmene i Perzepolis. Čak je čovjeku predložen i Marshall Bass, iako je rekao specifično da ga westerni ne zanimaju. |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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NESVRSTANI
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Croatia
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Posted - 06/04/2020 : 16:42:47
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Sada kada je ponovno aktualan, pročitao sam ovaj topic i mogu reći da dosta govori o ovom forumu.
Random novi forumaš: Pozdrav ljudi, vidim da ovdje ljudi znaju o stripu, jel' mi možete preporučiti nešto što je napravljeno u zadnjih dvadeset godina, u boji i da je radnja u današnjem vremenu.
Forumaši stripovi.com: Ne može, mi ćemo ti preporučiti što se nama sviđa: Maus, Spaghetti Brothers, Watchmene i Perzepolis. Čak je čovjeku predložen i Marshall Bass, iako je rekao specifično da ga westerni ne zanimaju.
Šta ima loše u tome da mu ljudi sa puno više pročitanih stripova u nogama pokušaju objasnit da pokuša izać iz zadanih okvira? Pogotovo šta je na osnovu njegovog današnjeg upisa jasno da su mu okviri krivo postavljeni.
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Doli sve stranke!!! Živili naši dušmani!!! |
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Peyo
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Croatia
10483 Posts
Member since 28/10/2005 |
Posted - 06/04/2020 : 16:57:58
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quote: Originally posted by kifi
Ne mogu zamisliti Torpeda i Spaghetti brotherse obojane.
Ne moraš zamišljati. Nisu baš najbolji skenovi, ali svejedno ...

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tinton
stripovi.com suradnik
    
United Kingdom
19801 Posts
Member since 23/10/2011 |
Posted - 06/04/2020 : 16:58:00
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Čovjek ima pravo čitati što njega zanima, a ne što vi želite da on čita. Ako te netko pita da mu preporučiš neku modernu literaturu, nećeš inzistirati da prvo mora pročitati Anu Karenjinu. Ako čovjeka ne zanimaju stripovi čija se radnja odvija u povijesti, koliko je teško to poštovati? Ako želi neki noviji strip, a ne fundamentalna ostvarenja, to je sasvim ok.
Drugi je problem ako mu ljudi nemaju što za preporučiti u njegovim okvirima. Neka onda prepuste to ljudima koji imaju. Inače se ovo pretvara u topic o tome koje su fibre kome najdraže, a to je mogao pročitati i u drugim topicima. |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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NESVRSTANI
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Croatia
10519 Posts
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Posted - 06/04/2020 : 17:10:49
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Pa nek čita šta oće. Ko mu brani? Ja samo mislin da je sa usporedbon stripa i filma, i tvrdnjon da crno-bijelom stripu fali dimenzija totalno omašio fudbal.
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Doli sve stranke!!! Živili naši dušmani!!! |
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tinton
stripovi.com suradnik
    
United Kingdom
19801 Posts
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Posted - 06/04/2020 : 17:34:28
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quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI
Pa nek čita šta oće. Ko mu brani? Ja samo mislin da je sa usporedbon stripa i filma, i tvrdnjon da crno-bijelom stripu fali dimenzija totalno omašio fudbal.
Slažem se. Ja sam se osvrtao na preporuke koje je dobijao prije dvije godine, ne na današnju raspravu. |
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AleksandarN
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Serbia
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Posted - 06/04/2020 : 20:36:27
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quote: Originally posted by vice
Svagdanja borba je jedan od najboljih stripova koje san čita, i to upravo zbog crteža. Neću nikad zaboravit onaj prizor fotografija nakon vijesti o smrti. Pogodi te ravno u srce. Scenarij je maestralan, da se razumimo, al baš taj neobičan crtež koji ima snagu facijalne emotizacije, pun je pogodak.
O pomenutom stripu sam cuo najbolje ali me crtez i dalje odbija pa je u bio donjem delu moje wantliste. Kako vreme prolazi, polako ide nagore i nabavicu ga prvom prilikom jer vidim da se radi o maestralnom stripu. Do pre par godina mi je mnogo smetao neprivlacan crtez kao sto na primer radi Smol, Baru, Djipi, Manuele Fior... I onda sam nabavio neke njihove stripove i odusevio se. Narocito za Savove, Kuci po mraku i Pet hiljada kilometara u sekundi. Takodje mi se desilo da su me smorili neki stripovi prelepo nacrtani kao sto je Ja sam legija. Dva puta sam pocinjao taj strip jer me privlaci crtezom ali me prica udavi. Pokusacu jos jednom kad se nakanem... |
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ned_lynx
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Posted - 06/04/2020 : 21:05:37
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@Peyo fala na postavljanju ovih, očito na silu kolorisanih tabli, zaista bih bio zahvalan ako bi me neko prosvetlio zašto se to, uopšte, radi?
ima li, inače, smisla farbati stripove, naročito one što valjda govore sve sami za sebe bez dodatnih šarenila, baš onako kako su ih, očito, autori izvorno zamišljali i radili, te, u kojim su ih medijima, isprva, i objavljivali, gde je pritom, veoma verovatno, čak ni za takav kolor nije ni elementarnih uslova bilo?
možda grešim ali, čini mi se, da je takvo obojavanje besmisleno. |
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AleksandarN
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Posted - 06/04/2020 : 21:13:07
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quote: Originally posted by ned_lynx
ima li, inače, smisla farbati stripove, naročito one što valjda govore sve sami za sebe bez dodatnih šarenila, baš onako kako su ih, očito, autori izvorno zamišljali i radili, te, u kojim su ih medijima, isprva, i objavljivali, gde je pritom, veoma verovatno, čak ni za takav kolor nije ni elementarnih uslova bilo?
možda grešim ali, čini mi se, da je takvo obojavanje besmisleno.
Zavisi. Ima neki stripova koji su lepsi u koloru kao sto je Bilo Jednom U Francuskoj, Komanca, XIII i sl. Skoro su objavili kolorisanu verziju From Hell od Moor-a. Ono je cista blasfemija! Imas negde na netu preview pa pogledaj. |
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Peyo
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Croatia
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Posted - 06/04/2020 : 21:59:41
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Nekim stripovima boja ne odgovara, guši crtež, dok je kod nekih faktor plus, npr. Bone, pa i Comanche (iako je sjajna i crno-bijela), Tintin itd.
Ja ne vidim nekog smisla u koloriranju AF-a, dobrog dijela Bonellija itd.
S druge strane prodaja takvih izdanja pokazuje da za njih ima publike.
Idealno bi bilo da postoje oba izdanja, pa da kupac bira što mu se sviđa. |
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