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ridiculus
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Posted - 04/05/2020 : 22:17:00  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ridiculus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Za Maneely-ja znam samo po čuvenju, s obzirom da ga je Garcia-Lopez pominjao kao jednog od prvih crtača koje je još u detinjstvu zapazio po karakterističnom stilu. A John Severin je bio nekrunisani kralj vesterna. Tako da ovde nema dileme, iako za moje neprofesionalno oko ovi primeri nisu daleko jedan od drugog. Kod Severina vidimo da se Yaeger popeo iz bunara uz pomoć konopca; takođe, prvi udarac je kod njega impresivnije izveden. Tako da njemu dajem malu prednost.

Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool.
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alexts
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Posted - 04/05/2020 : 22:19:10  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Kirby i Severin ovde ispred druge dvojice.
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 01:03:04  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alexts

Kirby i Severin ovde ispred druge dvojice.

I Leeju se izgleda najviše svidela Kirbyjeva izvedba, pa je istu iskoristio kad je 1962. osmislio novog Two-Gun Kida, ovog puta sa maskom (valjda da liči na sve popularnije superheroje). Naravno, samo su prepravili crtež.


Edited by - Vlaadisha on 05/05/2020 01:03:29
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 01:20:35  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To nije jedini put da je Lee reciklirao zaplet. Two-Gun Kid broj 54 i Weird Western 50 imaju istu priču, koju je takođe malo prilagodio za Rawhide Kid 36. Verovatno toga ima puno, što zbog hroničnog nedostatka vremena, što zbog velikog broja epizoda... Možda je računao da se čitaoci neće setiti, a možda se ni sam nije sećao šta je sve objavio.

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alexts
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 01:30:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Opet Kirbi za "nijansu" bolji. Bolja kompozicija i superiorniji drugi kadar.
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 04:52:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pretpostavljam da je ranije reciklaže bilo dosta...



...mada je sada teško proniknuti u razloge nekih izmena.

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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 04:55:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
U slučaju stripa Zriki Švargla i Šule Globus, pronašao sam objašnjenje da se radi o ažuriranju starih epizoda za reprint.

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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 05:00:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Da li je gore isti autor u pitanju?

U sledećem slučaju znam da jeste ali nije samo do evolucije rukopisa. Novo vreme i drugi format diktiraju izmene kako stila tako i sadržaja... Đavo je u detaljima.



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jaki
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 05:52:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send jaki a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bravo!

Ja sam fetišist papira!
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 22:04:35  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Buscema vs Alary

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ridiculus
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 22:13:53  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ridiculus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ne znam kako mi ovo nije palo na pamet. Mislim, jesam pominjao adaptacije proznih priča, ali ova mi konkretno nije pala na pamet. Ali jeste Slonova kula, koja je rađena... koliko, bar 3 puta?

Heh, ne čudi me da niko posle Smitha nije pokušao Crvene nokte. Zastrašujuć standard. Inače, ovde nije ni izdaleka upitno čija tabla je bolja. Jedino što radi protiv Busceme je što Thomas ne ume da ućuti ni tokom minuta tišine...

Sjajno, samo nastavi!

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jaki
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 22:32:20  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send jaki a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Adaptacija istog djela nije isto kao isti scenarij kojeg su radila vise crtača.

Ja sam fetišist papira!
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 22:35:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Baš sam poredio The Frost Giant's Daughter i moram da priznam da mi je Nord bolji od BWS. Tajmirao je pojavu džinova kad se okrene nova strana, iskoristio više prostora da prikaže njihovu veličinu, a i ženska mu je bolja.






Jedino nije morao da ponovi pozu ovog sa sekirom.



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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 22:37:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jaki

Adaptacija istog djela nije isto kao isti scenarij kojeg su radila vise crtača.

I know, I know... Ovo više kao digresija/varijacija na temu (i izgovor da postavim malo Conana).
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ridiculus
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 22:52:27  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ridiculus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlaadisha

Baš sam poredio The Frost Giant's Daughter i moram da priznam da mi je Nord bolji od BWS. Tajmirao je pojavu džinova kad se okrene nova strana, iskoristio više prostora da prikaže njihovu veličinu, a i ženska mu je bolja.



Da, ali:
1. To je rani Smith, dok još nije razvio svoj karakteristični stil zasnovan na prerafaelitskom slikarstvu, i dok se oslobađao uticaja Kirbija u postavkama;
2. Smith-ov najjači adut su okruženja; a to radi protiv njega u toj konkretnoj priči, gde okruženje praktično ne postoji (bela pustoš). Crveni nokti su potpuna suprotnost.

Skoro sam čuo da je Michael Kaluta izjavio da je John Buscema pogodio Konana, a promašio svet, dok je BWS pogodio svet, a promašio Konana (i, tom logikom, ostale likove). To je tema za razmišljanje, ali meni deluje onoliko tačno koliko može biti tačna istina sažeta u jednu rečenicu.

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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 05/05/2020 : 23:06:13  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ovde se vidi baš to što si napisao. Jedino je Nord promašio ceo fudbal iako je imao dovoljno prostora, pošto je Dark Horse razvukao priču na tri broja. Da se ne zove The Tower of the Elephant, ne bih znao šta je to Conan video.



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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 02:26:13  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Da završimo sa Conanom, evo jedan neobičan slučaj reprinta (Savage Sword 3 vs Barbarian 87).




Edited by - Vlaadisha on 06/05/2020 02:27:32
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 04:07:16  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Još jedna varijacija na temu: Blutch je pre nekoliko godina objavio knjigu Variations, u kojoj je obradio svoje omiljene autore. Neke interpretacije su bliske originalu, ali je ipak zanimljivo uporediti table.



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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 04:09:16  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 04:11:03  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 04:12:59  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
U knjizi nisu objavljeni originali, pa evo još primera ako još neko hoće da se igra:

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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 04:13:52  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 04:15:09  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 04:17:52  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Doduše, sad smo već na teritoriji omaža i posveta, što je drugi par cipela. Ovde se menja samo jedan elemenat pa rezultati nisu tako interesantni za analizu, mada mogu biti simpatični.

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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 06/05/2020 : 04:18:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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