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vukozec
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 12:38:10
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https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/konvoj-ljubavi-prema-potresom-razrusenom-podrucju-ujedno-je-parada-nepovjerenja-u-institucije-15040244
Apsolutna istina.
Uplaćivati državi svoje privatne novce da bi sanirala štetu, koje ne bi ni bilo da u prethodnoj državnoj sanaciji iste te države nije bilo korupcije, djeluje prokleto sizifovski.
Sasvim očekivano, već drugi dan nakon "velikog hrvatskog srca i jedinstva u nevolji" krenule su prepirke i međusobna upiranja prstom, a skepticizam građana prema državnim institucijama je ionako i prije potresa bio na maksimalnom nivou, poučen dosadašnjim iskustvima, između ostalog i iz sličnih primjera. Ljudi žele pomoći, no pomisao da će pomoć ići preko "humanitarnih" institucija kojima upravljaju razne josipe rimac i da će obnovu izvoditi vjerojatno iste građevinske firme koje izvode javne građevinske poslove koji se svaki put preplate nekoliko puta može izazvati samo bijes i gorčinu. Ne čudi stoga poplava privatnih incijativa, ljudi koji nastoje pomoći direktno, zaobilazeći službene institucije u širokom luku. U mojoj zagrebačkoj ulici se oformirala chat grupa koja svakodnevno javlja kome treba neka konkretna pomoć, pa ljudi traže, doniraju, sjedaju u auto i voze sami u Banovinu. |
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stinky
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 12:56:58
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Sve je to divno i krasno, samo što će ubrzo početi izranjavati i dark side svih tih inicijativa i velikog entuzijazma. Pa će početi priče o prijevarama, o pomaganju ljudima koji imaju vikendice na moru, o doniranim kamp kućicama koje prokišnjavaju, o tome kako se okoristio ovaj a kako onaj ili kako ne valja ovaj ili onaj... Ljudi jednostavno nahrle na jednu stranu, pa onda na drugu i tako se to klati. Ne sagledavaju daleko, ne gledaju povezanost plusa i minusa, dobra i zla.
Bez obzira na ovo, bez obzira što će uskoro početi i ocrnjivanje, dobro je što i dalje ljudi imaju manje povjerenja u famozne "institucije", a više u ljude. Dobro je da se kod nas nije primila ideologija sustava, institucija, administriranja i bezličnosti, tekovine "demokracije". Drugim riječima, taj tip koji to piše izriče zapravo ono što ne želi i ne shvaća da je baš to što on žigoše - dobro. |
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jaki
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 13:01:44
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Privatna direktna pomoć je uvijek bolja nego li državna/institucionalna ali ima jedan problemčić a taj je da će privatna zaobići dosta ljudi a ona državna kakva god bila ipak neće. Općine su i nisu baš iskazale u organiziranosti. Odmah nakon potresa trebala je općina,MZ i CZ odrediti ljude i dežurstva i smjene koji će pokrivati određena sela,naselja,gradske kvartove koji bi bili na licu mjesta,pravili popise ljudi i kome što treba i bili kontakt svima koji djele pomoć i organiziraju čišćenje i spašavanje. Ali nisu pa zato se stvara stihija u pomoći gdje ljudi dolaze slučajno i pomažu na koga nalete a kod nekih niko nije dosad došao. |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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zeljko
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 13:11:29
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ljudi neće da žive u selu u manjim gradovima pogotovo mladi... posebice cure...
to je realnost i novo vrijeme
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Utabanim stazama ocaja! |
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BeaGea
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 13:12:24
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Institucije čine ljudi. Na žalost ti ljudi došli su na funkcije nepotizmom i domoljubljem, a ne sposobnošču pa sad imamo problem jer nesposobnost je isplivala na površinu. Upravo su ovi potresi pokazali koliko smo jadna i siromašna džava (i euforična), a ovo što predstavljamo kao solidarnost je ustvari zadnji vapaj čovjeka da spasi život a ne solidarnost. Solidarnosti se provodi kad je situacija normalna, a ne u izvanrednim okolnostima. Solidarnost je kad reagiraš na lopvluk a ne kad ga prešućuješ i time stitis, a počesto ga i opravdavaš. To je upravo ono kaj našem društvu fali (: |
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zeljko
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 13:18:27
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ja prije kad vidim da se smiju drugi narodi reko zavist mržnja ali ovaj omlet koji ste dobili u lice primijetili su svi
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Utabanim stazama ocaja! |
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stinky
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 13:43:13
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želim živjeti u zemlji gdje se sve raspada po šavovima a opet se održava. gdje danas jesi sutra nisi. gdje čovjek jučer prevodi Holderlina i piše erotsku poeziju, a sutra priča o benzinu i uzima enormni mito. gdje pjevači znaju više o povijesti od povjesničara, a povjesničari su zadrigli i ne znaju sročiti dvije rečenice. gdje na moru žive debeloguzi spliće, a u zagorju čelik-hrvati. gdje su vuci vile i hajduci. gdje potresi pokreću konvoje ljubavi i otkrivaju nepovjerenje u institucije. gdje ljudi čitaju zagora a ne čitaju macana kordeja zeku peku. gdje se non stop svađaju na forumu. to je moja zemlja. tu sagradi dom. šparaj na željezu betonu. slavim te Bože Gospodaru Neba i Zemlje što si ovo sakrio od mudrih a objavio malenima. |
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vukozec
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 13:46:53
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Dobro je da ljudi pokazuju da im je stalo, da ne odmahuju rukom "sve će to država sama srediti, mene se to ne tiče", tako se jača osjećaj zajednice. No meni ipak ta privatna euforija nije baš draga. S jedne strane, pomoć na taj način ide parcijalno, stihijski i teško ju je pravedno raspodijeliti. Sa druge strane, to je pokazatelj dubokog kroničnog nepovjerenja u "institucije države" (drugim riječima u Državu samu), što je jedna od glavnih rak-rana ovog društva kojeg zovemo Republika Hrvatska. |
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vukozec
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 13:53:55
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@stinky: želja ti je ispunjena. A s obzirom da se nemam namjeru igdje seliti ispunjena je i meni. No ja želim i da se stvari mijenjaju na bolje. A kad se promjene na bolje, i onda ću opet htjeti da se promijene na još bolje. |
Edited by - vukozec on 04/01/2021 13:55:05 |
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BeaGea
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stinky
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 14:10:20
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To je pokazatelj nepovjerenja u pričice, u demokratske potencijale itd. To je zdravo nepovjerenje "ne buš mi prodal muda pod bubrege". A s druge strane je pokazatelj vjere u Državu, jer država i nije ništa drugo do taj teritorij. Institucije su uvijek ovakve ili onakve, jednima majka drugima maćeha. U Hrvatskoj su se svi nasisali tih institucija, zato se i odnose prema njima s nepovjerenjem, odnosno: malo koga je briga za nešto takvo koje troši svatko kako mu se svidi. Društvo (sisanje) i Država (vjera u hrvatsku stvar) su kod nas u odličnom balansu: malo te drmaju potresi, malo ratuješ, ali zato sisaš i sisaš, na sve moguće i bezglave načine. Jedna od rijetkih najboljih zemalja na svijetu. |
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BeaGea
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 14:11:42
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Svaka čast susjedima (Slovencima, Srbima, Austrijancima) i brojnim drugim državama u Europi koji su pokazali kakve su ljudine i koliko im je srce veliko! |
Kažite mi, jeste li se umorili Jesu li vas prevarili Je l'nas vrijeme pregazilo |
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zeljko
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 14:24:58
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Stvarno ste banama drzava Bez uvrede branim i hvalim hrvatsku non stop...ali ovo sto se dogadja... Totalni raspad sustava Ako je i postojao |
Utabanim stazama ocaja! |
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BeaGea
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 14:27:44
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quote: Originally posted by zeljko
Stvarno ste banama drzava Bez uvrede branim i hvalim hrvatsku non stop...ali ovo sto se dogadja... Totalni raspad sustava Ako je i postojao
Kad ti je vojska najbolje (i jedino) orgrizirani dio državae, onda je jasno u kavom smo stanju. |
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zeljko
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 16:21:00
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quote: Originally posted by zeljko
Brze navijaci u privatnom aranzmanu stignu Nego drzavni helikopter Vi imate sistemske probleme
Ali imamo Thompsona, a vi ne |
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BeaGea
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 16:23:50
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Da, jer izgubljene ovce stalno traže pastire. Danas MPT jučer JBT, i tako dok nas ima. |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 16:25:41
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quote: Originally posted by BeaGea
Da, jer izgubljene ovce stalno traže pastire. Danas MPT jučer JBT, i tako dok nas ima.
Da, jučer političar svjetskog ranga, danas pjevač svjetskog ranga |
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izivko
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 16:43:26
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
quote: Originally posted by zeljko
Brze navijaci u privatnom aranzmanu stignu Nego drzavni helikopter Vi imate sistemske probleme
Ali imamo Thompsona, a vi ne
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BeaGea
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 16:47:25
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx danas pjevač svjetskog ranga

Slušaju ga "geni kameni" od Novog Zelanda do Njemačke i Irske. |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 16:50:28
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quote: Originally posted by BeaGea
quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx danas pjevač svjetskog ranga

Slušaju ga "geni kameni" od Novog Zelanda do Njemačke i Irske.
Postoje optužbe da je pokrao Mejdene, ali naravno, istina je obratna, Mejdeni su pokrali Thompsona |
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xilrion
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BeaGea
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 16:56:41
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx Postoje optužbe da je pokrao Mejdene, ali naravno, istina je obratna, Mejdeni su pokrali Thompsona
Razumljivo, majstori smo izvrtanja činjenica. Ako pitaš Hrvate Sunce se vrti oko Hrvatske jer toliko daleko vidimo. |
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Edited by - BeaGea on 04/01/2021 16:59:27 |
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roby05
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Posted - 04/01/2021 : 17:56:22
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quote: Originally posted by zeljko
Stvarno ste banama drzava Bez uvrede branim i hvalim hrvatsku non stop...ali ovo sto se dogadja... Totalni raspad sustava Ako je i postojao
U Americi je vjerovatno bolje? |
Evala ti dalmatinski puce,pozdrav tebi s Poljuda Hajduce,nasem moru,galebu i skoju,Boze cuvaj Dalmaciju moju. |
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