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Rache
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Croatia
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Posted - 05/03/2021 : 18:40:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Rache a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Paka01

To je jednostavno naziv za noćnu smjenu i ništa više, bez ikakvih asocijacija. Ovo "zlo doba" mu mijenja značenje u nešto što autor nije zamislio.


Upravo tako. Pogledao sam malo etimologiju naziva "graveyard shift"(pojavljuje se prvi put početkom 20-og stoljeća, točnije prvi put potvrđeno u tisku 1908. godine) i navodi se da je najvjerojatnije porijeklo termina asocijacija na to da je u to doba mir i tišina kao na groblju.

quote:
Originally posted by verab

...već su se poslužili atributom koji ne samo da je dobar i u duhu jezika, nego i moćno zvuči.


Mogli su tako upotrijebiti bilo što. Poanta atributa bi trebala biti da pobliže opiše neki pojam a ne samo da dobro zvuči. Naročito ako to iskrivljuje značenje.

Naravno da u prijevodu postoji i određena doza neke umjetničke slobode i potpuno se slažem da se ne treba slijepo držati originala nego pokušati naći neko rješenje u duhu jezika, ali eto meni osobno se ne sviđa prijevod i to je to.
Nothing is more dangerous than an idea when it's the only one you have.
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Rache
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Croatia
199 Posts

Member since 31/08/2005

Posted - 05/03/2021 : 18:43:18  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Rache a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rogan

Vidim, digla se halabuka oko ovog prevoda, pa evo vam pojašnjenja direktno "iz konjskih usta".

Kao što prisutne kolege prevodioci sigurno znaju, prilikom rada na stripskoj ili književnoj celini naslov se prevodi u kontekstu datog dela, a ne sam po sebi.
U ovom tomu, naslov se - osim pomenute treće/noćne smene u vampirsko/gluvo doba noći - odnosi na dve stvari: primarno na Betmena koji u više samostalnih epizoda žali za tek poginulim sinom Demijanom (ups, spojlr alrt), kao i na jednu samostalnu epizodu koja kulminira na bukvalnom groblju punom leševa serijskog ubice. Imajući sve to u vidu, spremio sam 4-5 verzija naslova (nekih ste se ovde i sami dotakli), ali sam na kraju sveo na 2 koje sam izložio uredniku, no za ovu sam lično lobirao, pošto spaja i teskobu žala za mrtvim sinom i primeren naziv za Betmenovo radno vreme.

Eto, toliko.



Hvala na pojašnjenju to je sad već druga priča (nisam čitao strip )

Edit: samo bi dodao da mi ipak "Zlo doba" malo previše vuče na horor ali to je već stvarno do osobnog ukusa.
Nothing is more dangerous than an idea when it's the only one you have.
Edited by - Rache on 05/03/2021 18:48:00
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verab
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Croatia
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Member since 22/01/2015

Posted - 05/03/2021 : 18:49:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send verab a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rache

quote:
Originally posted by Paka01

To je jednostavno naziv za noćnu smjenu i ništa više, bez ikakvih asocijacija. Ovo "zlo doba" mu mijenja značenje u nešto što autor nije zamislio.


Upravo tako. Pogledao sam malo etimologiju naziva "graveyard shift"(pojavljuje se prvi put početkom 20-og stoljeća, točnije prvi put potvrđeno u tisku 1908. godine) i navodi se da je najvjerojatnije porijeklo termina asocijacija na to da je u to doba mir i tišina kao na groblju.

quote:
Originally posted by verab

...već su se poslužili atributom koji ne samo da je dobar i u duhu jezika, nego i moćno zvuči.


Mogli su tako upotrijebiti bilo što. Poanta atributa bi trebala biti da pobliže opiše neki pojam a ne samo da dobro zvuči. Naročito ako to iskrivljuje značenje.

Naravno da u prijevodu postoji i određena doza neke umjetničke slobode i potpuno se slažem da se ne treba slijepo držati originala nego pokušati naći neko rješenje u duhu jezika, ali eto meni osobno se ne sviđa prijevod i to je to.

Pošteno. I tu svaka "rasprava" prestaje.
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 05/03/2021 : 18:59:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nisam video ni kad je dobio sina, a već pogibe.
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verab
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Croatia
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Posted - 05/03/2021 : 19:00:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send verab a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alexts

Nisam video ni kad je dobio sina, a već pogibe.
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Stark
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
504 Posts

Member since 22/05/2018

Posted - 05/03/2021 : 19:05:36  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Stark a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alexts

Nisam video ni kad je dobio sina, a već pogibe.


Što me nasmija majko draga
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Paka01
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Croatia
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Member since 14/02/2009

Posted - 05/03/2021 : 19:19:10  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Paka01 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alexts

Nisam video ni kad je dobio sina, a već pogibe.


Eh, biće nisi čitao Morrisona?
Would a new flood please finally come? A real rain and an assortment of plagues
And when all is said and done, even the Devil won't care enough to spit in the mud

https://www.last.fm/user/Pakaa
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anto
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Serbia
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Member since 29/06/2008

Posted - 05/03/2021 : 19:30:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send anto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alexts

Nisam video ni kad je dobio sina, a već pogibe.
Odbrojavanje: još 1 dan
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naker
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Posted - 05/03/2021 : 20:11:52  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send naker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Rogan
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Serbia
297 Posts

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Posted - 05/03/2021 : 20:35:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Rogan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rache
Edit: samo bi dodao da mi ipak "Zlo doba" malo previše vuče na horor ali to je već stvarno do osobnog ukusa.

Bez brige, veći deo priča u ovom tomu ima umerene do jake horor motive i atmosferu.
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"There is no Devil, it's just God when he's drunk"

-- Tom Waits
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Peyo
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Croatia
10682 Posts

Member since 28/10/2005

Posted - 05/03/2021 : 22:01:24  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Peyo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alexts

Nisam video ni kad je dobio sina, a već pogibe.


Sinovi i žene strip junaka služe tome da poginu .

Bez frustracije nema (re)akcije.
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borg
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Serbia
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Member since 13/01/2020

Posted - 05/03/2021 : 22:27:36  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send borg a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Podsetio me Alex na jednu tipičnu bets scenu :)
Resistance is futile.
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jagodanbg
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Posted - 09/03/2021 : 12:35:32  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send jagodanbg a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pumpaj
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axle munshine
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Serbia
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Member since 14/06/2006

Posted - 10/03/2021 : 13:56:56  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send axle munshine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Verovatno će Čk kad izda ovih pet knjiga nastaviti sa Moebiusom, i izdati "Inside Moebius"... e, sad, živo me zanima kakvu će "mudrost" smisliti za ovaj naslov... šta vi mislite?
...BD, c'est la vie...
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Tornadomaster
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Member since 01/08/2009

Posted - 10/03/2021 : 14:01:48  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Tornadomaster's Homepage  Send Tornadomaster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
- Mebijusove tajne
- U Mebijusovom gnijezdu
- Mebijus privatno
- Dosije: Mebijus
Pici dalje Dilan Dože, da te braca na police slože.
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axle munshine
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Serbia
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Posted - 10/03/2021 : 14:09:24  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send axle munshine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tornadomaster

- Mebijusove tajne
- U Mebijusovom gnijezdu
- Mebijus privatno
- Dosije: Mebijus



U glavi Mr. Mebijusa... ;)
...BD, c'est la vie...
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Peyo
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Croatia
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Posted - 10/03/2021 : 14:27:02  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Peyo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ovo Mebijus mi zvuči slično kao Maybe US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqr_TwiC0u0
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Tornadomaster
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Posted - 10/03/2021 : 14:40:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Tornadomaster's Homepage  Send Tornadomaster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
- Mebijusov um
- Mašta jednog genija
- Mebijus: godina prva
- Predvorje kreativnog ludila
Pici dalje Dilan Dože, da te braca na police slože.
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Red Marquis
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Serbia
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Posted - 10/03/2021 : 15:21:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Red Marquis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Koji će im Inside Moebius. Ne verujem da će to izdavati, jedino da stave tiraž 300.
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Peyo
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Posted - 10/03/2021 : 16:48:20  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Peyo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Zato što Mebijus ima insajdera u ČK.
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axle munshine
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Serbia
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Posted - 10/03/2021 : 19:23:09  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send axle munshine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Peyo

Ovo Mebijus mi zvuči slično kao Maybe US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqr_TwiC0u0

Maybe us... them... who knows... ;)
...BD, c'est la vie...
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axle munshine
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Serbia
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Posted - 10/03/2021 : 19:26:29  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send axle munshine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tornadomaster

- Mebijusov um
- Mašta jednog genija
- Mebijus: godina prva
- Predvorje kreativnog ludila

.
...BD, c'est la vie...
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axle munshine
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Serbia
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Member since 14/06/2006

Posted - 10/03/2021 : 19:27:52  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send axle munshine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Red Marquis

Koji će im Inside Moebius. Ne verujem da će to izdavati, jedino da stave tiraž 300.

Ja verujem da hoće, ipak... a tiraž, to je diskutabilno... :)
...BD, c'est la vie...
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axle munshine
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Serbia
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Member since 14/06/2006

Posted - 10/03/2021 : 19:29:07  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send axle munshine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Peyo

Zato što Mebijus ima insajdera u ČK.

Pa, da... Mebijusov insajder... bingo... ;)
...BD, c'est la vie...
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jagodanbg
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Posted - 12/03/2021 : 17:11:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send jagodanbg a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pumpaj
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