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dicmanjac
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Croatia
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Paka01
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Croatia
11449 Posts
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Posted - 20/05/2022 : 17:10:09
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Za svoju struku uvijek dam savjet besplatno, nebitno pita li me netko tko mi je blizak ili netko koga ne znam, no samo u granicama dok ne osjetim da me se pokušava iskorištavati.
Dva primjera: 1) Nedavno mi se javlja jedna žena da joj treba ispis plakata i vizitki. Ja joj odgovorim "može, imate li i grafičku pripremu ili želite da i nju ja napravim?", na šta ona odgovara "nemam, htjela bi proći što jeftinije pa ću je ja sama napraviti", na šta sam zakolutao očima jer tu ženu znam onako iz viđenja i znam da nema blage veze o dizajnu i pripremi za tisak. Tjedan dana kasnije dobivam pripremu, ono, horor, ništa ne štima. Vraćam joj mail i govorim da nije stavila napust, elementi koji se printaju su preblizu rezne linije, fontovi nisu pretvoreni u krivulje, itd itd... 10 min kasnije ona me zove na telefon i govori "meni ništa nije jasno to šta si ti napisao, možeš li mi objasnit korak po korak kako da to napravim?". E bome ne mogu, jebiga.
2) Jedna cura koju onako površno poznajem je nedavno otvorila obrt pa me pitala par savjeta po pitanju blagajne, računa, fiskalizacije, tih nekih papira koje treba imati, itd... Sve što sam znao sam joj detaljno objasnio iz svog iskustva, koliko god sam znao. Međutim, ta su se pitanja počela pojavljivati skoro pa na dnevnoj bazi, svako malo nešto oko knjigovodstva, nešto oko računa, na šta ja (naravno) ne znam odgovor za sve. Ja plaćam knjigovođu da mi se brine o tim stvarima i ono što sam znao sam joj drage volje rekao. Nakon toga sam je pitao zašto ne pita sva ta pitanja svog knjigovođu, na šta mi je odgovorila da ne želi bezveze trošiti novce na knjigovodstvo jer joj je netko rekao da za obrt knjigovodstvo nije teško i da može sve sama. Tu sam lagano podvukao crtu i sad na sve odgovaram "ne znam" jer mi se čini da radi budalu od mene. |
Would a new flood please finally come? A real rain and an assortment of plagues And when all is said and done, even the Devil won't care enough to spit in the mud
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manhunter
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Posted - 20/05/2022 : 17:45:38
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Paka, ovo što ti navodiš je klasično iskorištavanje i tu odmah treba odreagovati. Ili neka plate.
Da te je ova poznanica pitala kog računovođu da uzme i ti je savetuješ, onda mislim da je to savet, koji bi trebalo da bude besplatan. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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1Euro
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Posted - 20/05/2022 : 18:00:33
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u Sloveniji ima poslovica koja kaže da je besplatni savjet najskuplji savjet (tu misle na razno razne finančne savjete, osiguranje i slično gdje ti na kraju u biti žele nešto podturiti, prodati,...kao besplatno savetuju ali u biti sebi rade neku reklamu da onda kupiš kod njih ili kod nekoga sa kime su povezani itd,...) ili to, da ljudi vole da savetuju druge ljude ali ako su nepoučeni njihov savjet se može kasnije iskazati za loš savjet jer nisu stručnjaci (a svi misle da jesu, da znaju nešto,..) pa onda u dobroj namjeri krivo savetuju i te greške su onda skupe. Na primjer uvijek netko zna nekoga tko je nekom rođaku nešto nabavio, pomagao, sredio,...pa mu onda da broj telefona ovaj njemu besplatno nešto savetuje, ovaj da bi izbjegao troškove odluči to napraviti sam (elektrika, on če to sam spojiti te žice i potegnuti kabel do gore,pa na kraju sve sjebe i onda ionako zove majstora koji ima sad još više posla zbog njegovih pogrešaka). Isto može biti i kod pisanja pritužbe npr...ako ne znaš na šta se osloniti, kakve dokaze predložiti, koji člen citirati, na osnovu čega se pritužuješ,...samo češ pogoršati situaciju.
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NESVRSTANI
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Croatia
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Posted - 20/05/2022 : 18:49:57
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quote: Originally posted by dicmanjac
quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI
quote: Originally posted by Poli
Ja mislim da se i razmisljanje ubraja u cjenik.
U policiji ne. Zamisli da ti pandurija krene naplaćivat razmišljanje po satu?
Alo pazi šta pišeš...znam di živiš...žena mi je policajka. I završila je najteži faks od svih fakseva na svitu...PRAVNI.
Btw.nemogu virovat koliki je jazavac ovaj mladjo. Strašno nešto, mislija sam komentirat, al od muke nemogu. Nemogu virovat šta sam pročita...
Obećajen da više neću vriđat pandure, a ti obećaj da neš vriđat jazavce. |
Doli sve stranke!!! Živili naši dušmani!!! |
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Curunir
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Croatia
10369 Posts
Member since 28/07/2002 |
Posted - 22/05/2022 : 20:13:41
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quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Nisam odvjetnik (nemam položen pravosudni) tako da sam "samo" magistar prava i reći ću ti nešto prijatelju ali bez ljutnje, može? Ajde odi u Konzum, natrpaj onu košaru svom mogućom robom i onda kada dođeš na blagajnu reci "Ma to je samo zabavu, dolazi mi neka ekipa, neću valjda nešto platiti." Znaš kaj bi bilo: Za dve minute bi te zaštitari izbacili. Ili još bolji primjer: stripovi. Odi u Libellus, natrpaj se sa njihovim HC izdanjima i onda reci "Ma dajte, pa to su samo stripovi, pa nećete mi to valjda naplatiti" Završio bi kao i u prvoj priči (samo bez zaštitara:)) Gledaj, stolac na kojem upravo sjediš koštao je, recimo 300 kuna. Kada si ga išao kupiti nije ti ni na kraj pameti bilo da ga nećeš platiti. E ali savjet...to je nešto nematerijalno, nešto imaginarno, nešto što se ne vidi. Pa bi ti to besplatno. U prijevodu:Trebaš prihvatiti da je znanje roba, baš kao i svaka druga iako nije materijalna/ opipljiva. Odgovor na tvoje pitanje možda zahtjeva nekoliko rečenica koje se napišu za par minuta ali iza toga dolazi iskustvo završenog jednog od najtežih fakulteta. I zato ja pizdim kada netko pita za besplatni pravni savjet, to je kao da netko pita je li može dobiti besplatno strip.
             
             
             
             
             
PS Zašto ne bi dao besplatan savjet?? Ako je riječ o kratku savjetu, nekoliko rečenica, neslužbenom. Smiješno. Ja ću besplatno pomoći svakome tko me nešto zamoli, riješiti zadatak-dva... Ili besplatno ispraviti nepismene članove foruma (sad mi se ne da ). Naravno, nešto je posve drugo iskorištavanje. Tada se kaže dosta, nema više džabe. |
Ne upuštajte se u raspravu s budalama, spustit ce vas na svoju razinu, a potom vas zatuci iskustvom. |
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RAKOSI4
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Predo
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Posted - 23/05/2022 : 00:14:38
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Svako radi prema svom nahođenju. Ja u preko 20 godina bavljenja advokaturom nisam nikome ko mi je ušao u kancelariju naplatio savjet. Razgovor sa licem koje dođe sa svojim problemom i traži savjet je razgovor sa potencijalnim klijentom. Od problema i mogućnošću njegovog rješavanja zavisi da li će doći do saradnje, a tek nakon toga kreće razgovor koliko bi to koštalo ukoliko se klijent odluči da rješavanje problema povjeri meni. Isti je slučaj i sa osobama koje mi se obrate u kafani, na ulici, itd. Nije sporno da je Advokatskom tarifom predviđena i naknada za usmene i pisane savjete, ali kod nas skoro niko od kolage iste ne naplaćuje. Ipak treba imati u vidu nizak standard i lošiju platežnu moć u državi u kojoj živim. Ovo sve se odnosi na običan narod kome je potrebna pravna pomoć. Drugi slučaj je sa jakim firmama i drugim pravnim licima sa kojima se zaključuju ugovori o zastupanju ili poslovnoj saradnji. Tu se naknada obično određuje u jednom mjesečnom paušalu uz određene bonuse zavisno od uspjeha u sporu. |
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mladjo
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Posted - 23/05/2022 : 19:36:12
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quote: Originally posted by Curunir
quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Nisam odvjetnik (nemam položen pravosudni) tako da sam "samo" magistar prava i reći ću ti nešto prijatelju ali bez ljutnje, može? Ajde odi u Konzum, natrpaj onu košaru svom mogućom robom i onda kada dođeš na blagajnu reci "Ma to je samo zabavu, dolazi mi neka ekipa, neću valjda nešto platiti." Znaš kaj bi bilo: Za dve minute bi te zaštitari izbacili. Ili još bolji primjer: stripovi. Odi u Libellus, natrpaj se sa njihovim HC izdanjima i onda reci "Ma dajte, pa to su samo stripovi, pa nećete mi to valjda naplatiti" Završio bi kao i u prvoj priči (samo bez zaštitara:)) Gledaj, stolac na kojem upravo sjediš koštao je, recimo 300 kuna. Kada si ga išao kupiti nije ti ni na kraj pameti bilo da ga nećeš platiti. E ali savjet...to je nešto nematerijalno, nešto imaginarno, nešto što se ne vidi. Pa bi ti to besplatno. U prijevodu:Trebaš prihvatiti da je znanje roba, baš kao i svaka druga iako nije materijalna/ opipljiva. Odgovor na tvoje pitanje možda zahtjeva nekoliko rečenica koje se napišu za par minuta ali iza toga dolazi iskustvo završenog jednog od najtežih fakulteta. I zato ja pizdim kada netko pita za besplatni pravni savjet, to je kao da netko pita je li može dobiti besplatno strip.
             
             
             
             
             
PS Zašto ne bi dao besplatan savjet?? Ako je riječ o kratku savjetu, nekoliko rečenica, neslužbenom. Smiješno. Ja ću besplatno pomoći svakome tko me nešto zamoli, riješiti zadatak-dva... Ili besplatno ispraviti nepismene članove foruma (sad mi se ne da ). Naravno, nešto je posve drugo iskorištavanje. Tada se kaže dosta, nema više džabe.
Pravo je, uz medicinu i FER najteži fakultet koji postoji. |
COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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mladjo
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Posted - 23/05/2022 : 19:38:28
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quote: Originally posted by Curunir
quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Nisam odvjetnik (nemam položen pravosudni) tako da sam "samo" magistar prava i reći ću ti nešto prijatelju ali bez ljutnje, može? Ajde odi u Konzum, natrpaj onu košaru svom mogućom robom i onda kada dođeš na blagajnu reci "Ma to je samo zabavu, dolazi mi neka ekipa, neću valjda nešto platiti." Znaš kaj bi bilo: Za dve minute bi te zaštitari izbacili. Ili još bolji primjer: stripovi. Odi u Libellus, natrpaj se sa njihovim HC izdanjima i onda reci "Ma dajte, pa to su samo stripovi, pa nećete mi to valjda naplatiti" Završio bi kao i u prvoj priči (samo bez zaštitara:)) Gledaj, stolac na kojem upravo sjediš koštao je, recimo 300 kuna. Kada si ga išao kupiti nije ti ni na kraj pameti bilo da ga nećeš platiti. E ali savjet...to je nešto nematerijalno, nešto imaginarno, nešto što se ne vidi. Pa bi ti to besplatno. U prijevodu:Trebaš prihvatiti da je znanje roba, baš kao i svaka druga iako nije materijalna/ opipljiva. Odgovor na tvoje pitanje možda zahtjeva nekoliko rečenica koje se napišu za par minuta ali iza toga dolazi iskustvo završenog jednog od najtežih fakulteta. I zato ja pizdim kada netko pita za besplatni pravni savjet, to je kao da netko pita je li može dobiti besplatno strip.
             
             
             
             
             
PS Zašto ne bi dao besplatan savjet?? Ako je riječ o kratku savjetu, nekoliko rečenica, neslužbenom. Smiješno. Ja ću besplatno pomoći svakome tko me nešto zamoli, riješiti zadatak-dva... Ili besplatno ispraviti nepismene članove foruma (sad mi se ne da ). Naravno, nešto je posve drugo iskorištavanje. Tada se kaže dosta, nema više džabe.
Pravo je, uz medicinu i FER, najteži fakultet koji postoji |
COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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emirem
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Posted - 23/05/2022 : 20:24:20
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Ne zaboravi i farmaciju! |
"Kompromisi u kolekcionarstvu su one stvari koje ce ti omoguciti da dozivis starost sa pozamasnom ustedjevinom!" |
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cerichus
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tinton
stripovi.com suradnik
    
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/05/2022 : 08:59:26
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Da, ovo je malo sumnjivo.  Netko završi medicinu učeći samo dva sata dnevno? Mislim, ja ne bih imao pojma reći koliko učim tjedno, ali ovo se zaista čini nerealnim. Ako broje u prosjek i one studente koji ne prolaze, onda ok. |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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Peyo
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emirem
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Posted - 24/05/2022 : 13:33:50
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Usli su u statistiku studenti sa razmjene iz Singapura, Tajvana, Malezije i slicno. |
"Kompromisi u kolekcionarstvu su one stvari koje ce ti omoguciti da dozivis starost sa pozamasnom ustedjevinom!" |
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manhunter
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Switzerland
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Posted - 24/05/2022 : 13:40:09
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quote: Originally posted by emirem
Usli su u statistiku studenti sa razmjene iz Singapura, Tajvana, Malezije i slicno.
Da, oni su im verovatno povukli presek na dole. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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dr strangelove
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Posted - 27/05/2022 : 10:24:22
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Sjećam se jednog klijenta što je došao da mu napravimo poreznu prijavu za građane pa smo mu rekli da je to 50 kuna + PDV. Na to je odgovorio da onda nema veze, da će mu to žena napraviti. |
It would not be difficult, Mein Führer. Nuclear reactors could - heh, I'm sorry, Mr. President - nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. |
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1Euro
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Posted - 27/05/2022 : 11:21:50
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quote: Originally posted by dr strangelove
Sjećam se jednog klijenta što je došao da mu napravimo poreznu prijavu za građane pa smo mu rekli da je to 50 kuna + PDV. Na to je odgovorio da onda nema veze, da će mu to žena napraviti.
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Poli
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Slovenia
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jaki
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/05/2022 : 16:28:46
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quote: Originally posted by Curunir Ili besplatno ispraviti nepismene članove foruma (sad mi se ne da ).
Zato te NE/volimo |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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jaki
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/05/2022 : 16:30:30
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quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI Mladjo donosi odluke prije slušanja, a za razmišljanje je čuo ko Danica za Madagaskar.
Tko je Danica i kakve veze s njom ima crtani film? |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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Peyo
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/05/2022 : 17:48:07
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quote: Originally posted by dr strangelove
Sjećam se jednog klijenta što je došao da mu napravimo poreznu prijavu za građane pa smo mu rekli da je to 50 kuna + PDV. Na to je odgovorio da onda nema veze, da će mu to žena napraviti.
Kada se samo sjetim za koliko ljudi na poslu sam ovo napravio besplatno.
Možda zato što nisam studirao na najtežem fakultetu pa to ne znam cijeniti. |
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Peyo
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/05/2022 : 17:51:31
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI Mladjo donosi odluke prije slušanja, a za razmišljanje je čuo ko Danica za Madagaskar.
Tko je Danica i kakve veze s njom ima crtani film?
Danica (supruga - Mira Banjac) iz Balkanskog špijuna ! |
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delboj
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 27/05/2022 : 19:03:46
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
Svaki ciga svoga konja hvali.
Nekom je najteža osnovna škola.
Pa da, ima i toga. Nažalost, ne na taj način, nego u smislu da su neki jedino u osnovnu išli, dok su im ostale škole poslate autobusom. Ne znam kako je u okolnim zemljama, ali ovdje ima dosta takvih ljudi.
Ne vrijedi tražiti pomoć od advokata na internetu. Kod advokata moraš otići lično i razgovarati. |
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NESVRSTANI
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/05/2022 : 21:24:27
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
quote: Originally posted by jaki
quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI Mladjo donosi odluke prije slušanja, a za razmišljanje je čuo ko Danica za Madagaskar.
Tko je Danica i kakve veze s njom ima crtani film?
Danica (supruga - Mira Banjac) iz Balkanskog špijuna !
Danica je supruga od Kowalskog iz Madagaskara, ne širi dezinformacije. I to besplatno. |
Doli sve stranke!!! Živili naši dušmani!!! |
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