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jasar123
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Posted - 25/09/2022 : 19:03:26
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quote: Originally posted by Golconda
Druže, ja možda jesam popi..io i ispričao koješta, što možda i nisam trebao, ali, ne zamerite, stvarno neću ništa više nikome detaljisati i objašnjavati i odgovarati, ko želi, sve može da pročita u ovom mom prethodnom postu.
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Profesor
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Posted - 25/09/2022 : 19:09:10
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quote: Originally posted by Golconda
1. RIGHTS GRANTED The Proprietor hereby grants to the Publisher the exclusive right to publish and sell in volume form in the Serbian language only, throughout the world, the work with the following working title: CANOË BAY by Patrick Prugne and Tiburce Oger – 104 pages (format 25 cm x 32 cm) (hereinafter referred to as the “Work”) and the unrestricted right to publish into the Serbian language, distribute, advertise, promote, and sell the said work in soft cover or hardcover throughout the world.
Pa, istinu govoreći, prema ovoj odredbi ugovora (ukoliko imate isti ugovor tj. vi za srpsko, oni za hrvatsko izdanja) kako je navedeno gore i jedan i drugi izdavač imaju prava distribucije i prodaje svog izdanja na svom jeziku bilo gde u svetu, pa prema tome ne vidim pravni okvir za zabranu distribucije izdanja na stranom jeziku u bilo kojoj od država. |
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jaki
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Markos
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Posted - 25/09/2022 : 19:29:08
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Ja nikad nisam tražio prava za Srbiju, da ne bi ispalo da zbog mene netko iz Srbije ne može dobiti prava. Štoviše, brojnim sam SR izdavačima pomogao oko prava/materijala za izdanja koje cu objaviti ili koje sam objavio. Ja godinama nisam mogao objavljivati DC jer me je Beli Put bio blokirao i znam kakav je to osjećaj i zato ne želim raditi istu stvar drugim izdavačima. I zato tražim prava samo za Hrvatsku. Ali ok, ako ti tako želiš, nema problema, nije problem dodati teritorij: worldwide u ugovore. Tržište je oduvijek funkcioniralo tako, puno prije Fibre, da se izdanja slobodno prodaju s obje strane granice. Em je ta količina mala, em se to ionako ne može spriječiti. Ali evo, sad se pojavila Golconda koja će tome stati na kraj. A dobro, ako misliš da si u pravu, samo naprijed, što da ti drugo kažem.
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sawitch
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DzekDenijels
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Posted - 26/09/2022 : 01:51:02
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Neće.
Naravno da neće. Borba za kupce/čitaoce se vodi odgovornom izdavačkom "politikom", pre svega kvalitetom i cenom samih izdanja, a ne kojekakvim glupostima...
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stripadzija
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Posted - 26/09/2022 : 09:00:23
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Ne znam kakve ste poruke razmenili međusobno, ali jedini pravi pristup na ovim prostorima je mogućnost izdavanja pojedinog stripa u svakoj državi/republici bivše Juge i isto tako distribucija u svim državama, bez ograničenja.
Na kupcima je onda da odluče koja cena/jezik/prevod/štampa/veličina formata/kvalitet itd. im se više sviđa.
Ako izdavač želi da izda strip i proceni da može da ga proda u dovoljnom broju primeraka da ostvari profit i živi od izdavaštva, ne trebaju nikakva pravna ograničenja da ga sputavaju u tome. |
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H4rlekiN
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Posted - 26/09/2022 : 09:06:53
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quote: Originally posted by stripadzija
Ne znam kakve ste poruke razmenili međusobno, ali jedini pravi pristup na ovim prostorima je mogućnost izdavanja pojedinog stripa u svakoj državi/republici bivše Juge i isto tako distribucija u svim državama, bez ograničenja.
Na kupcima je onda da odluče koja cena/jezik/prevod/štampa/veličina formata/kvalitet itd. im se više sviđa.
Ako izdavač želi da izda strip i proceni da može da ga proda u dovoljnom broju primeraka da ostvari profit i živi od izdavaštva, ne trebaju nikakva pravna ograničenja da ga sputavaju u tome.
Apsolutno se slažem sa tobom, ali očigledno to nije slučaj. A jedan od primjera ti je i blokiranje Pergama od strane Veselog Četvrtka, jer su ovi zaboga izbacili MNO u boji i još se usudili da pošalju izdanje nekome u Srbiji ko ga je izložio na sajmu u Subotici ili ne znam gdje. Na kraju se sve opet svodi na profit i gušenje konkurencije, jer smo realno malo tržište da bi svi "uzeli" velike pare na prodaji stripova. |
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shalilo6
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Posted - 26/09/2022 : 09:48:33
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
quote: Originally posted by Golconda Iskreno, ne bih imao ništa protiv da je reciprocitet na snazi, a ne da meni Škoska knjiga kaže: uzećemo svako tvoje izdanje koje nije objavio, ili NE PLANIRA DA OBJAVI hr izdavač (zanima me samo, odakle njima info šta planira da objavi hr izdavač). Ali to što Marko kaže, "navodno hr knjižare ne uzimaju sr izdanja" to je daleko od "navodno". Ja možda u Hr knjižarama imam jednu banansku kutiju izdanja koju su nabavili Bog zna kako, mene niko ni u jednom trenutku nije pitao, niti tražio. Da li Marko može da kaže da je isto i sa njegove strane?
Pa šta ti je Fibra kriva šta se ti nemoš dogovorit s hrvatskim knjižarama?Znači da te knjižare ne vjeruju da će se tvoji stripovi prodavat.
Sasvim logičan poslovni potez knjižara, nitko normalan ne bi riskirao uvoz nečega što nije siguran da će prodat, pogotovo jer mora platit robu i carinu, kad već ima isti proizvod domaće proizvodnje koji može vratit proizvođaču ako ga ne proda.
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vladar
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Posted - 26/09/2022 : 10:26:59
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quote: Originally posted by H4rlekiN
quote: Originally posted by stripadzija
Ne znam kakve ste poruke razmenili međusobno, ali jedini pravi pristup na ovim prostorima je mogućnost izdavanja pojedinog stripa u svakoj državi/republici bivše Juge i isto tako distribucija u svim državama, bez ograničenja.
Na kupcima je onda da odluče koja cena/jezik/prevod/štampa/veličina formata/kvalitet itd. im se više sviđa.
Ako izdavač želi da izda strip i proceni da može da ga proda u dovoljnom broju primeraka da ostvari profit i živi od izdavaštva, ne trebaju nikakva pravna ograničenja da ga sputavaju u tome.
Apsolutno se slažem sa tobom, ali očigledno to nije slučaj. A jedan od primjera ti je i blokiranje Pergama od strane Veselog Četvrtka, jer su ovi zaboga izbacili MNO u boji i još se usudili da pošalju izdanje nekome u Srbiji ko ga je izložio na sajmu u Subotici ili ne znam gdje. Na kraju se sve opet svodi na profit i gušenje konkurencije, jer smo realno malo tržište da bi svi "uzeli" velike pare na prodaji stripova.
Dobrodosli u kapitalizam. |
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I like girlz
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Posted - 26/09/2022 : 17:30:58
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ovdje, kao i na drugom topicu (ČK), ima zlonamjernih pojedinaca kojima je cilj da se na bilo koji mogući način pokušaju ugušiti ili diskreditovati golconda i ČK.
ja se nadam da se oba izdavača neće obazirati na dotične, te da će nastaviti kao i do sada i u još jačem ritmu! |
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jaki
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verab
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Posted - 26/09/2022 : 17:58:49
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eto, Pergam je ignorirao zlonamjerne pojedince s ovog mučkog foruma i vidi ih sad, samo nebo im je granica. :)) |
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SPQRoma
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Posted - 27/09/2022 : 09:19:13
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quote: Originally posted by I like girlz
ovdje, kao i na drugom topicu (ČK), ima zlonamjernih pojedinaca kojima je cilj da se na bilo koji mogući način pokušaju ugušiti ili diskreditovati golconda i ČK.
ja se nadam da se oba izdavača neće obazirati na dotične, te da će nastaviti kao i do sada i u još jačem ritmu!
Vidiš kako su se odmah prepoznali. |
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verab
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Posted - 27/09/2022 : 09:50:56
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quote: Originally posted by SPQRoma
quote: Originally posted by I like girlz
ovdje, kao i na drugom topicu (ČK), ima zlonamjernih pojedinaca kojima je cilj da se na bilo koji mogući način pokušaju ugušiti ili diskreditovati golconda i ČK.
ja se nadam da se oba izdavača neće obazirati na dotične, te da će nastaviti kao i do sada i u još jačem ritmu!
Vidiš kako su se odmah prepoznali.
Eto na, sad kad smo se sami otkrili nema više smisla tajiti agendu. Dakle, kad uništimo Golkondu i ČK, sljede DW i VČ, a onda idemo preko bare ugasit Marvel i DC. Nećemo stat dok ne sjebemo sve i svih. Nitko više neće izdavat stripove. 
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin...
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verab
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Posted - 27/09/2022 : 10:00:35
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Pizdarije na stranu,
lijepo je vidjeti da ste na sajtu vratili izdanja "u pripremi". Jedva čekam da se ukaže 4. Granica. Je li u Italiji serijal završen sa 8. albumom? |
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vukozec
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Posted - 27/09/2022 : 10:43:08
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quote: Originally posted by Golconda
1. RIGHTS GRANTED The Proprietor hereby grants to the Publisher the exclusive right to publish and sell in volume form in the Serbian language only, throughout the world, the work with the following working title: CANOË BAY by Patrick Prugne and Tiburce Oger – 104 pages (format 25 cm x 32 cm) (hereinafter referred to as the “Work”) and the unrestricted right to publish into the Serbian language, distribute, advertise, promote, and sell the said work in soft cover or hardcover throughout the world.
Pazite, prva stavka u ugovoru je ovo, i ne znam, možda ja ne razumem engleski...
Možda netko stvarno ne razumije engleski (možda sam to i ja).
Po mom razumijevanju engleskog jezika, citirani dio ugovora izričito daje prava SAMO na srpski jezik, i to za CIJELI SVIJET. Cijeli Svijet uključuje i Hrvatsku i Srbiju.
Dakle, ako neki izdavač ima prava na tisak i prodaju izdanja na srpskom jeziku u cijelom Svijetu, što uključuje i Srbiju i Hrvatsku, meni je logično da prava recipročno vrijede i u ekvivalentnom primjeru za drugi jezik. Odnosno da izdavaču koji ima prava na tisak i prodaju izdanja na engleskom jeziku u cijelom Svijetu, ta prava vrijede i za Srbiju i za Hrvatsku. I za onog izdavača koji ima takva prava za hrvatski jezik, logično mi je da i on ima prava za cijeli Svijet (koji uključuje i Hrvatsku i Srbiju).
Hrvatski i srpski nisu isti jezik. Da jesu isti jezik, onda bi dio ugovora gore zabranjivao prodaju naknadnih hrvatskih izdanja ne samo u Srbiji, već bilo gdje u Svijetu (dakle i u Hrvatskoj). |
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Posted - 27/09/2022 : 11:41:39
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Bas ne volim da glumim necijeg drvenog advokata i da zauzimam neciju stranu, ali mi itekako ide na onu stvar nagadjanja sada forumasa i likova koji koji raspolazu poluinfomacijama ili bukvalno nikakavom informacijam vec "meni je logično"... Izdavac se javio, objavio deo svog ugovora i objasnio sta je hteo/nije hteo...pa valjda je neko strucan iz njegovog tima procitao ugovor, pitao sta ga zanima, dobio informacije koju su mu bile potrebne pre objavljivanja stripa...i sta sad vi tu koji q..c nagadjate i lazno optuzujete..
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borg
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Posted - 27/09/2022 : 11:42:33
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Aman, pustite se toga više. Markos je rekao lepo da nije tražio to širom sveta, nego ima ugovor za hrvatski jezik na hrvatskoj teritoriji. Na osnovu toga je Golkonda kupila prava. Jer je (naivno) zaključila da neće imati konkurenciju na srpskoj teritoriji. Pomalo naivno je za očekivati da neko ima komplet od 250 kolorki a 251. će da preskoči i kolekciju popuni sa Golkondinim izdanjem.
Verujem da je tu i Markos postupio naivno jer plaćanje te klauzule je ili ništa ili nešto minimalno preko. A i Golkonda ako veruje da oni koji žele kolorku neće je i nabaviti, taman postojala zabrana za dati naslov.
A i mi pričamo o ukupnom tiražu od 1000 i kod jednih i kod drugih. Na 10M ljudi u dve države, plus Crna Gora, Makedonija, Slovenija, BiH... Može Golkonda da tuži Fibru. Al plašim se da neće ništa dobiti time. To je njihovo, neka se oni dogovaraju ili svađaju van javnosti. Ono, jest da nije fer da u Cro knjižare neće da uđe naslov Golkonde jer imaju domaće, a u Srb hoće iako imaju domaće. Stvar je malo komplikovanija od proste potražnje jednog naslova ili samih ugovora. I to teško da se može ispraviti preko noći. Uostalom, ni u srpskim lancima nema drugih hrvatskih izdavača. Samo Fibra, kao što tamo ima ČK samo.
Al, pustite ovo da oni reše. Nisu tu ko zna koje pare u pitanju, nego eventualno 40ak Fibri koje bi se prodale kod nas paralelno... I koje će se siguran sam prodati, bilo zabrane ili ne. Znači problem bude u 40ak Golkondinih kojih će se manje prodati zbog Fibre. A to je 500-600e zarade...
Ali, zbog ovih stvari se treba dodati klauzula otvorene prodaje za dati jezik i nema zabune...
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Markos
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Posted - 27/09/2022 : 12:07:29
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Fibra nema u ugovoru worldwide, nego Croatia, tako je. Čisto zato što je to njima špranca, a ja nikad nisam tražio da se promijeni, jer mi to nikad nije bilo bitno/potrebno. Sad će se u Fibrine ugovore dodati worldwide i problem riješen.
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jagodanbg
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Posted - 27/09/2022 : 13:11:02
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Fibra nema u ugovoru worldwide, nego Croatia, tako je. Čisto zato što je to njima špranca, a ja nikad nisam tražio da se promijeni, jer mi to nikad nije bilo bitno/potrebno. Sad će se u Fibrine ugovore dodati worldwide i problem riješen.
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