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jaki
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evo i ja ću: Ferri je prosjećan crtač! Nema veze šta ga volim i volim njegove Zagore koje su mi uljepšale na tisuće sati djetinjstva ali me to ne spriječava da vidim istinu. |
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teller
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 13:01:05
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
evo i ja ću: Ferri je prosjećan crtač! Nema veze šta ga volim i volim njegove Zagore koje su mi uljepšale na tisuće sati djetinjstva ali me to ne spriječava da vidim istinu.
bravo, iskreno...to može, meni ne smeta.. prosječan može, ali da je loš nije... mnogo mladih se probalo na Zagoru pa sa malo uspjeha.... vidi Vernija....dobar ali nikako da prekopira Ferrija. ukusi su različiti i ja jih poštujem ali malo dostojanstva do čovjeka u 82 godini kojemu se mnogi dive i drže velikanom Talijanskog stripa. Samo to... odoh sad na manga forum da jim jsps.
jsps* jebem sve po spisku. |
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pravedni
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 14:18:41
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Za mene je Ferri = Zagor,sve ostalo je samo bolja ili lošija zamena... P.S. I ja sam se zaprepastio pročitavši nebuloznu tvrdnju da je DArcangelo bolji od Ferrija. To je jedan od žešćih "bisera" ove godine... |
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pravedni
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 14:24:00
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor12
Tko je to izjavio?
Izgleda,Mr.Bushido. Čoveka cenim kao vrsnog poznavaoca stripa,ali je ova izjava glupost...  |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 14:57:13
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Eto ti ga na. Kažeš što misliš i onda te nazovu glupanom, neznalicom, mangofilom i Fibrofilom.
Umjesto da mi date neke konkretne argumente zašto je Ferri dobar crtač Zagora.
I da, D'Arcangelo je bolji crtač od Ferrija. To je moje mišljenje i iza njega stojim. Ako treba, stavit ću to i u potpis.  |
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:02:43
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Inače ne komentiram ovakve rasprave, ali reći da je D´Arcangelo bolji (u bilo kojem smislu) od Ferrija je strava i užas. Da smo u srednjem vijeku bio bi osuđan kao heretik na lomaču.  |
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teller
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:06:30
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Eto ti ga na. Kažeš što misliš i onda te nazovu glupanom, neznalicom, mangofilom i Fibrofilom.
Umjesto da mi date neke konkretne argumente zašto je Ferri dobar crtač Zagora.
I da, D'Arcangelo je bolji crtač od Ferrija. To je moje mišljenje i iza njega stojim. Ako treba, stavit ću to i u potpis. 
 žao mi to reć, ali ti si izlapeo načisto...bio si na suncu ovih dana bez zaštite?.... valjda nama ukus ne vrijedi kad na našim i Talijanskim forumima nečeš naći 5 ljudi kojima se sviđa taj "tvoj" D,arcagnelo...ali nije tebi on stvarno dobar,... on ti je pri ruci da popljuješ Ferrija. šteta, neznam zašto ti to trebalo na topicu našeg omiljenog junaka i crtaća ali u mojim si očima kao poznavatelj strip literature još uvijek jako visoko, kao čovjek sa ukusom za crtež jako nisko... pozdrav. |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:08:51
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Otidji u Nathanov, Dylanov, AF ili Texov topic i popljuj im junaka, bices isto docekan.
quote: Originally posted by adriano
Zanimljivo da najvise pljuju po Zagoru.
Izgleda da nisam bio dovoljno jasan u svojim postovima.
Ja nemam ništa protiv Zagora. Zagor mi je priuštio neke od najljepših trenutaka moga djetinjstva, i kasnije.
Samo, nijedne od tih trenutaka ne vežem uz Ferrijevog Zagora. Njegove epizode sam uvijek nerado čitao. |
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acestroke
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:13:11
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mislim da je ovdje problem o nostalgiji. Izlgleda da je Bushido poceo citati Zagora u 90-im, a u to doba bilo je raznih crtaca u Zagorovom staffu, i Ferri nije tako cesto crtao, pa normalno je da se covjek navikao na druge. Mi ostali, koji smo odrasli sa Donatelijevim i Ferrijevim Zagorom u ranim 80-im, pa absolutno nema sanse da je iko bolji od ta dva majstora. Za mene je Zagor uvijek bio Ferri i Donatelli, znam da Franca ovdje neki ne mogu da podnesu, ali kad ti ta dva crteza obiljeze citavo djetinistvo, onda nista drugo ne dolazi u obzir. :) |
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teller
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:14:52
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Otidji u Nathanov, Dylanov, AF ili Texov topic i popljuj im junaka, bices isto docekan.
quote: Originally posted by adriano
Zanimljivo da najvise pljuju po Zagoru.
Izgleda da nisam bio dovoljno jasan u svojim postovima.
Ja nemam ništa protiv Zagora. Zagor mi je priuštio neke od najljepših trenutaka moga djetinjstva, i kasnije.
Samo, nijedne od tih trenutaka ne vežem uz Ferrijevog Zagora. Njegove epizode sam uvijek nerado čitao.
da, Ferri je malo radio na Zagoru oduvijek, a kako onda cijeniš Donatellija, Bignotija,Segnu,Gambu? baš me zanima dal su i oni LOŠI crtaći ili su bar prosječni, jer veliki crtači su samo onih u mangama i ameropajkica pričama.  |
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pravedni
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:17:36
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Lepo rečeno i fino objašnjeno...Inače,ja Bushida nisam nazivao neznalicom. Lepo napisah da je vrstan poznavalac stripa,ali da što se tiče Ferrija nije u pravu. Mišljenja se mogu razmenjivati i bez preteranog etiketiranja tipa:glupane,neznalico,provokatoru,etc. |
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pravedni
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solar
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:20:42
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quote: Izgleda da nisam bio dovoljno jasan u svojim postovima.
Ja nemam ništa protiv Zagora. Zagor mi je priuštio neke od najljepših trenutaka moga djetinjstva, i kasnije.
Samo, nijedne od tih trenutaka ne vežem uz Ferrijevog Zagora. Njegove epizode sam uvijek nerado čitao.
Tvoje stajalište je sasvim legitimno, ali i iznenađujuće jer se nalaziš u onih 1% koji su čitali Zagora u djetinjstvu, a da pri tom nisu voljeli Ferrijev crtež.
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acestroke
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King Warrior
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:27:09
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pa stvar ukusa, covjek ima pravo na svoje misljenje. Ima ljudi koji kazu da je Alex Ross los crtac, da Alain Mooore nema pojma o pisanju i da je Taniguchi los pripovjedac. To ne znaci da oni nemaju pojma o stripu, jednostavno im ne leze pomenuti autori. |
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:29:54
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Slažem se, svatko ima svoje stajalište i nema potrebe da se mi koji volimo Ferrija osjećamo ugroženima. Dapače, drago mi je da Bushido iznosi svoje mišljenje. |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:34:09
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quote: Originally posted by acestroke
mislim da je ovdje problem o nostalgiji. Izlgleda da je Bushido poceo citati Zagora u 90-im, a u to doba bilo je raznih crtaca u Zagorovom staffu, i Ferri nije tako cesto crtao, pa normalno je da se covjek navikao na druge. Mi ostali, koji smo odrasli sa Donatelijevim i Ferrijevim Zagorom u ranim 80-im, pa absolutno nema sanse da je iko bolji od ta dva majstora. Za mene je Zagor uvijek bio Ferri i Donatelli, znam da Franca ovdje neki ne mogu da podnesu, ali kad ti ta dva crteza obiljeze citavo djetinistvo, onda nista drugo ne dolazi u obzir. :)
Nije samo u tome stvar. Moje stripovsko odrastanje je bilo dosta šareno. Ja nisam odrastao uz Zlatnu seriju i LMS, već uz Mikijev Zabavnik i Mikijev Almanah, stripove o He-Manu u Politikinom Zabavniku, Ewoksima i Marini u Maloj Stripoteci, Asterixu, Luckyju, Kenu Parkeru, Adamu Čurdinjakoviću, Macanovim stripovima o Tomu i Jerryju, stripovima u Modroj Lasti, Alanu Fordu i još nekoliko američkih stripova. Tek nakon svega toga ja sam se prvi puta upoznao sa Zagorom i ostalim Bonellijima.
Kada sam nakon Čurdinjakovića, Milazza, Jima Leeja, Marcella i Andreuccija (da se zadržimo na onima sa realističnim stilom) došao do Ferrija, to je bila neugodna šamarčina, samo takva.
I kasnije, kada sam krenuo upoznavati nove stripove i nove autore, Ferri mi je bio sve slabiji i slabiji. |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:37:29
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quote: Originally posted by teller
a kako onda cijeniš Donatellija, Bignotija,Segnu,Gambu? baš me zanima dal su i oni LOŠI crtaći ili su bar prosječni, jer veliki crtači su samo onih u mangama i ameropajkica pričama. 
Bignottija cijenim, ostali su mi slabi. |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:42:12
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Kada sam nakon Čurdinjakovića, Milazza, Jima Leeja, Marcella i Andreuccija (da se zadržimo na onima sa realističnim stilom) došao do Ferrija, to je bila neugodna šamarčina, samo takva.
e vidis, tako je bilo i kod nas, samo obrnutim redom, ukljucujuci i samarcinu na kraju. |
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teller
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:50:37
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by acestroke
mislim da je ovdje problem o nostalgiji. Izlgleda da je Bushido poceo citati Zagora u 90-im, a u to doba bilo je raznih crtaca u Zagorovom staffu, i Ferri nije tako cesto crtao, pa normalno je da se covjek navikao na druge. Mi ostali, koji smo odrasli sa Donatelijevim i Ferrijevim Zagorom u ranim 80-im, pa absolutno nema sanse da je iko bolji od ta dva majstora. Za mene je Zagor uvijek bio Ferri i Donatelli, znam da Franca ovdje neki ne mogu da podnesu, ali kad ti ta dva crteza obiljeze citavo djetinistvo, onda nista drugo ne dolazi u obzir. :)
Nije samo u tome stvar. Moje stripovsko odrastanje je bilo dosta šareno. Ja nisam odrastao uz Zlatnu seriju i LMS, već uz Mikijev Zabavnik i Mikijev Almanah, stripove o He-Manu u Politikinom Zabavniku, Ewoksima i Marini u Maloj Stripoteci, Asterixu, Luckyju, Kenu Parkeru, Adamu Čurdinjakoviću, Macanovim stripovima o Tomu i Jerryju, stripovima u Modroj Lasti, Alanu Fordu i još nekoliko američkih stripova. Tek nakon svega toga ja sam se prvi puta upoznao sa Zagorom i ostalim Bonellijima.
Kada sam nakon Čurdinjakovića, Milazza, Jima Leeja, Marcella i Andreuccija (da se zadržimo na onima sa realističnim stilom) došao do Ferrija, to je bila neugodna šamarčina, samo takva.
I kasnije, kada sam krenuo upoznavati nove stripove i nove autore, Ferri mi je bio sve slabiji i slabiji.
svaka čast na opusu koji si čitao, a da ti izdam tajnu da je moj(naš) isti, da smo svi mi uz ZS i LMS čitali skoro sve što je od stripova izlazilo onih dana...Stripoteka,Spunk,Eks almanah, Politikin i Mikijev Zabavnik, Alan Ford,Družina od vešala,Johny Logan,Asterix,Talični Tom...zar misliš da smo mi prvo i zadnje vidjeli Zagora i Ferrijev crtež? Milazza,Marcella, Andreucija volim i ja i veseli me jako da za tebe nisu i oni loši crtaći... nadam se da ti nisu loši ni esse-geese jer čistiji crtež kakav je viđen recimo(ostavimo priče o naivnosti i setimo se doba kad je strip nastao)u Komandantu Marku ja ne viđam često... Ali, nema veze, tebi je Ferri loš crtač, to si izjavio na njegovom topicu i isto sa nestrpljenjem očekujem da izjaviš kad komentiraš neko izdanje Algoritma ili Fibre ili Bookglobe...ako to ne doživim, smatram da je to bila samo tvoja mala provokacija i reakcija na "kultni" status koji kod nas ili u Bonelliju ima Gallieno Ferri.
Možda se varam ali mislim da si se htio-nehtio svrstao u onu grupu ljudi koji iritirani slabim odazivom strip publike na mange i amerikane, traže razlog u popularnosti nedodirljivog Zagora i njegovog oca po liku koje se preziva Gallieno Ferri... ja to razumem kao malu utjehu na razočaranje jer naši ljudi u velikoj večini još uvijek prisežu na Duha sa sjekirom a ne na Spajdermena,Akiru ili Oskudne gradove. Ne sumljaj u ukus večine, dvojbe postoje kad je tvoj ukus u manjini.
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:51:39
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Nije samo stvar u stripovima na kojima sam odrastao.
Danas, kada znam koji su autori bili uzor Ferriju, i kada usporedim njegov i njihov rad, ne mogu se načuditi koliko je Ferri loše naučio gradivo.
Kažem, da čovjek crta neke stripove o Draculi i čudovištima bio bi super, ali on nikako nije materijal za Zagora. |
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wele
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 15:55:00
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
evo i ja ću: Ferri je prosjećan crtač! Nema veze šta ga volim i volim njegove Zagore koje su mi uljepšale na tisuće sati djetinjstva ali me to ne spriječava da vidim istinu.
Svi procitajte ovo opet. Najdrazi i najbolji nije isto. To sto ste vi odrasli citajuci price koje je Feri crtao ne znaci ama bas nista,on nije nista vise od prosjecnog crtaca. Jebote,ko dirne u Ferija kao da vam porodicu dira,koji vam je kurac? Bushido je automatski neznalica,mangas,fibras,narkoman i sto sve ne,i to mu kazu ljudi koji nisu citali nista preko Zagorelog i Malog Rendzera.
(i da,D'Arcangelo nije bolji od Ferija,ali makar ne crta sestoprste ljude )
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teller
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Posted - 04/03/2012 : 16:00:28
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Nije samo stvar u stripovima na kojima sam odrastao.
Danas, kada znam koji su autori bili uzor Ferriju, i kada usporedim njegov i njihov rad, ne mogu se načuditi koliko je Ferri loše naučio gradivo.
Kažem, da čovjek crta neke stripove o Draculi i čudovištima bio bi super, ali on nikako nije materijal za Zagora.
ne poznaješ materiju dobro? čuo si za Barona Rakosija ili Moloka? pa u Zagoru ti vrvi od vampira i čudovišta... indijanci su u manjini i preprodavaći viskija... ali, malo si se zapetljao pa predlažem da prestanemo sa tom debatom... Ferri ti je loš crtać a D,arcagnelo dobar...to je tvoj ukus i sve ok. meni je crtež nekih mangi bezvezan a neki superamero heroji su uvreda za to da je čovjek biće sa mozgom... što se mene tiče, sve ok,cijenim da si iskren ali se ne slažem sa tvojim mišljenjem i tu je svaka prepiska nepotrebna. bez ljutnje, budi mi dobar u uživaj u stripovima koje ne crtaju loši crtaći...pozdrav. |
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