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Poli
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 13:30:11
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Ja jos uvijek mislim da je to zbog "kao previse slici nacistima i svastiki na rukavu". Mislim, glupo, ali nista gluplje se ne mogu sjetiti. :D Ili su samo bili protiv praznovjerja (mozda su i koju crnu macku skinuli sa slike ili koje ljestve sa ulice). :DD
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Jasko
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 13:37:34
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Treba sagledati i vreme u kom se tako nešto dešavalo.
Zvanična politika i proglasi tadašnje vladajuće garniture bili su da je strip šund. Dakle, bili su na oku poltronima i guzoljubima. Sa druge strane, ko da su ovi u "Dnevniku" imali saznanje da će za 30-40 godina njihov izdavački projekat biti toliko manično obožavan da će se tražiti dlaka u jajetu. Da su imali, možda bi i imali pojam koliko je bitna "naslovna" nekog tamo levog štiva (: |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 13:42:55
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I danas je mnogo firmi (nisu strip izdavači) gdje ima puno zaposlenih koji primaju veliku plaću ali za svoj nerad (u pravom smislu riječi) tako da mi u neku ruku čak i zafale ona stara vremena. Razne cenzure, prepravljanja, izbacivanja stranica i nove naslovnice su zahtijevale veliki angažman zaposlenih u Dnevniku a s druge strane morali su igrati kako gazda kaže. |
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mogorovic
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 13:59:07
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
I danas je mnogo firmi (nisu strip izdavači) gdje ima puno zaposlenih koji primaju veliku plaću ali za svoj nerad (u pravom smislu riječi) tako da mi u neku ruku čak i zafale ona stara vremena. Razne cenzure, prepravljanja, izbacivanja stranica i nove naslovnice su zahtijevale veliki angažman zaposlenih u Dnevniku a s druge strane morali su igrati kako gazda kaže.
A, gdje su tek brojne nikada objavljene epizode, koje su bile prožete, uglavnom kršćanskom ili drugom vjerskom tematikom? Čak, i naivno sročenim nadnaravnim krilatim bićima, samo zato što su podsjećala na anđele! Sjetimo se takve Zagorove epizode. |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 14:40:47
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Da, i takvu legendarnu epizodu kao ''Zagor protiv vampira'' su preskočili iako sa današnjeg gledišta ja ne vidim ništa sporno u njoj... vrag bi znao što se u njihovim glavama dešavalo te davne 1975. kada je trebala biti objavljena a nije. Čudi me što nije preskočen i ''Povratak Vampira'' ali valjda je 1982. već pomalo krenulo na bolje iako kako čujem bila je pretrpana debilnim cenzurama. |
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velka031
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Croatia
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 20:28:52
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quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
I danas je mnogo firmi (nisu strip izdavači) gdje ima puno zaposlenih koji primaju veliku plaću ali za svoj nerad (u pravom smislu riječi) tako da mi u neku ruku čak i zafale ona stara vremena. Razne cenzure, prepravljanja, izbacivanja stranica i nove naslovnice su zahtijevale veliki angažman zaposlenih u Dnevniku a s druge strane morali su igrati kako gazda kaže.
A, gdje su tek brojne nikada objavljene epizode, koje su bile prožete, uglavnom kršćanskom ili drugom vjerskom tematikom? Čak, i naivno sročenim nadnaravnim krilatim bićima, samo zato što su podsjećala na anđele! Sjetimo se takve Zagorove epizode.
   Vrhunska glupost. Ali zato je kriv rezim, Dnevnik kao takav tu nije nista mogao. |
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mladjo
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 21:05:36
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Mislim da je i Očajnički krik isto "naša" naslovnica |
COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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teller
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Slovenia
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 21:18:33
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Takva su vremena bila to... Nisu ni danasnja idealna...mozda bi radije opet cenzuru pa tadasnji standard. |
CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 21:36:15
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Danas imaš sve što hoćeš i u kojem obliku hoćeš ali mnogo toga si ljudi ne mogu priuštiti... teško je reći koja nevolja je veća. |
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mogorovic
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 21:50:40
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Morate znati, pogotovo vi mlađi forumaši, da je u svim redakcijama zabavne i popularne literature (ne samo u dnevno-političkim glasilima!)bio instaliran partijski kadar unutar redakcije. To u pravilu nije bio glavni urednik, već jedan od pomoćnika. U prošlom sustavu je to bilo nešto najnormalnije, a u redakcijama su takve osobe bile praktično nedodirljive, ali i predmetom poruge ostatka kolektiva, pogotovo kreativnog osoblja (crtača, scenarista, grafičara i ostalih), jer te osobe nisu imale nikakve veze sa materijom koju je radakcija stvarala (niti po vokaciji, niti po osobnom interesu), već im je jedini zadatak bio "pravovjernost" prezentiranog materijala, dakle: da u Alanu Fordu ne bude kukastih križeva i Hitlerovih slika u Grunfovoj blizini, sprdnje sa komunističkim moćnicima (neobjavljene "Formule"!), elemenata praznovjerja na jakni Mister No-a (četverolisnata djetelina), kao i u Zagoru (zato nije objavljena prva epizoda vampira!), spominjanja Boga, anđela, molitvi i preporuka Bogu u opasnosti ("Božić kalibra 45" je postao "Novogodišnja noć"), pjevanja božićnih pjesama u, Božićem i snijegom, okovanim epizodama mnogih stripova, i mnogo, mnogo drugih cenzorskih ludorija. |
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emirem
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 22:25:31
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quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
elemenata praznovjerja na jakni Mister No-a (četverolisnata djetelina)
Pih, godinama nosim u novcaniku djetelinu i posvetu sv.Patricku i sa zeljom da svakom donese se sreca sa rukovanjem ...a jos imam djetelinu sa pet listova sto sam ubrao na Cliffs of Moher u Burren Countyiju u Irskoj prije cetiri godine ...puxa vida! |
"Kompromisi u kolekcionarstvu su one stvari koje ce ti omoguciti da dozivis starost sa pozamasnom ustedjevinom!" |
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DODSFERD
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nagor
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/04/2014 : 01:16:58
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quote: Originally posted by emirem
quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
elemenata praznovjerja na jakni Mister No-a (četverolisnata djetelina)
Pih, godinama nosim u novcaniku djetelinu i posvetu sv.Patricku i sa zeljom da svakom donese se sreca sa rukovanjem ...a jos imam djetelinu sa pet listova sto sam ubrao na Cliffs of Moher u Burren Countyiju u Irskoj prije cetiri godine ...puxa vida!
Čovječe, dobro za tebe da se Juga raspala. Djetelina u novčaniku? Pa to je za goli otok. 
Taj prvi Zagorov okršaj s vampirom bi uništio mlade socialistične umove. Koliko li je samo križeva bilo u toj epizodi.
Smiješno je koliko je taj sistem bio nesiguran u samoga sebe. Oke, razumijem, da su prekrojavali povijesne udžbenike, ali što ti smeta Pilotova jakna ili Zagorov okršaj sa vampirom. 
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 24/04/2014 : 02:07:54
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
quote: Originally posted by emirem
quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
elemenata praznovjerja na jakni Mister No-a (četverolisnata djetelina)
Pih, godinama nosim u novcaniku djetelinu i posvetu sv.Patricku
Čovječe, dobro za tebe da se Juga raspala. Djetelina u novčaniku? Pa to je za goli otok. 
Ima sreće što ne živi u Americi jer bi postojala opasnost da završi u Yumi.  |
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PijaniPatak
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Germany
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PijaniPatak
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PijaniPatak
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velka031
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Posted - 24/04/2014 : 10:47:59
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quote: Originally posted by teller
Takva su vremena bila to... Nisu ni danasnja idealna...mozda bi radije opet cenzuru pa tadasnji standard.
Pričali smo o cenzuri u stripovima... Ako priča ide "na široko", ono su bila zlatna vremena u svakom pogledu... Ovo sada je kapitalističko čerečenje, kidanje živog mesa s kostiju... A sve to samo da preživiš... Ali to je već politika  |
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PijaniPatak
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Germany
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Posted - 24/04/2014 : 10:56:38
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quote: Originally posted by velka031
quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Samo mi nije jasno od kuda ovima iz Dnevnika ideja za crtanjem drugih naslovnica kada su postojale originalne Ferrijeve... nisu valjda pomislili da domaći 'majstor' to može bolje napraviti ... ili možda originalne nisu sadržavale dovoljno akcije za njih.
Dnevnik je objavljivao cjelovite stripove, tj. ako se druga sveska zavrsi na stranici 64, popunjavali su prostor sa nekim tamo lijevim stripom. Ta neregularnost u italjanskim izdanjima, price pocinju na pola sveske i zavrsavaju na nekom drugom broju stranice u drugoj svesci, dovodila je do toga da je po Dnevnikovoj koncepciji nedostajala cesto jedna naslovnica vezana za doticnu epizodu. Iz tog razloga su uposljavali domace crtace da sklepaju nesto. Zasto su u nekim slucajevima, kao na primjeru Divovi dobra i zla epizode, izbacili dvije originalne naslovnice koje su vezane za pricu, a ubacili Mikicinu na mjesto sveske Invazija Akronijana, to samo oni znaju. Da ne pricam o tome da je ta Mikicina naslovnica vec bila upotrebljena za epizodu Tajna mlina.
I baš su iz "Divova" izbacili dvije najbolje naslovnice...
I to kakve naslovnice...Ne mogu da verujem da ove dve još uvek nisu uopšte objavljene na našim prostorima
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DNEVNIK CITANJA: Etika junaštva i deklišeizirani koreni u “Zagor prica...”
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markotamara
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mogorovic
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Posted - 24/04/2014 : 14:56:50
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quote: Originally posted by PijaniPatak
evo našao sam gde sam skupio većinu Mikicinih
mislim da nisam ni jednu propustio.
Tu ima dosta naslovnica koje nije nacrtao Mikica. |
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kasper
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 24/04/2014 : 15:37:12
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He he, momak prvo ide čitati mange pa onda Zagora i onda se još čudi svojoj reakciji...  |
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nagor
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/04/2014 : 16:00:13
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Pa da... Nije mu Zagor sjeo, hebiga... ali tko mu preporučio Demone ludila za početi sa Zagorom. Ko da bi matematiku počeo od integrala, a ne od 1+1=2. :) |
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goksi
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Serbia
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Posted - 24/04/2014 : 16:42:36
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Gledam ovu novu Laurentijevu naslovnicu. Kako je moguće da bilo ko ima smelosti da kaže da Feri bolje crta od ovoga? Ma nemojte se zajebati.
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