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King Warrior
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 08:17:32
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quote: Originally posted by solar
Kao prilog raspravi kopiram i ovaj IZVANREDNI post kolege Bimba Sullivana sa darkwoodskog foruma, koji je racionalno artikulirao razloge zbog čega (veći) dio nas primjećuje da je Burattinijev opus nedovoljno dobar, manjkav i inferioran onom što smo čitali (renesansnih) devedesetih godina.
Fino i slatkorjecivo napisano, kod dosta stvari je pogodio srz. S druge strane, u tekstu nedostaje objektivnosti, izvukao je zaista samo crno ispod noktiju, cak i kod epizoda koje su odlicne (Kameni div, Vukodlak).
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solar
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adriano
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adriano
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 10:28:10
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ja bi rekao upravo suprotno. Buratini je taj koji stvari stavlja u povijesno geografski kontekst, a bozeli naprotiv prica fantazije.quote: Originally posted by nagor
quote: Originally posted by Tutta
Drugovi, danas u novinama!
http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/kanada/arktisschiff-nach-160-jahren-gefunden-37610658.bild.html
Pronasli su brod koji je prije 169 godina (1845 g.) nestao u arktiku. Cini mi se da ima neka Zagorova epizoda,artik,nestali brod. Jel to ako se ne varam, pocetak Sj.A odiseje?
Evo, zbog toga je Boselli kralj!
Kad je zadnji put netko pitao "Ej, jeste vidjeli, u Indiji su našli čovjeka Tigra?".
To je odlika velikog autora. Najbolje priče u serijalu i priče smještene u realan povijesni kontekst. Takvu priču je puno teže napisati nego kad imaš magičnu šumu u kojoj je sve moguće.
Oke, pretjerujem, ali opet ne previše.  
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adriano
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 10:30:41
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evo npr. dugo putovanje. nazalost jedini maksi koji nisam citao, ali sam vidio jako pozitivne recenzije bas na taj povijesni kontekst. |
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adriano
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 10:37:29
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Ma opcenito su maksiji odlicne epizode uz mozda koji promasaj i to bas kad je buratini isao glumit bozelija, sto mu ne lezi. Bozeli mozda pokusava izbjeci zamke povrsnosti iz ovog solarovog teksta, ali onda obicno pretjera u tom pokusavajuci produbiti smisao nekih likova i dogadaja, pa mi na kraju Zagor postane losa kopija Marti misterije. |
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teller
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 10:50:35
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quote: Originally posted by adriano
sve sta je u tom tekstu navedeno kao buratinijev feler se moze prisiti bilo kom scenaristu Zagora.
naravno...imaju i drugi scenaristi intelektualnih bisera,,sada svi po Buretu udarate. |
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solar
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 10:53:14
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naravno...imaju i drugi scenaristi intelektualnih bisera,,sada svi po Buretu udarate.
Burattini je urednik, samim time najodgovorniji za uspjehe ali i neuspjehe. |
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Tintilinic
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solar
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 11:05:14
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quote: Originally posted by Tintilinic
Samo što se malo spominju uspjesi, a neuspjesi puno.
Ne bih rekao. Mnogo puta se spominjao njegov entuzijazam, predanost, trud, promoviranje "klasičnih" crtača, a kolike je tek hvale pobrao za gigant #2 ili "Hawaka"... |
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Tintilinic
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 11:22:34
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To su sve priče za koje su pojedinci neki već rekli da ih Bure jako rijetko napravi, a da ih puno ima problema sa objašnjavanjem i slično. Meni je Bure odmah uz Nolittu, sviđaju mi se njegove priče. Opet stvar ukusa. Sve je stvar ukusa. Ovaj tekst što ga je napisao netko na Drakwood forumu je za mene samo njegovo mišljenje, razumijem o čemu on govori sa svojim kritikama prema Buretu, ali meni to uopće ne smeta kod njegovih priča. Boselli za mene isto nije uopće loš, Crni brod je top 10 priča za mene. Ali ove epizode Kraken, Tron bogova, Morska strava, Kandrax ird. su prenaporne za čitanje i zato je meni Bure draži od njega. Kao što sam već rekao, stvar ukusa ;) |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 12:11:35
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quote: Originally posted by Tintilinic
To su sve priče za koje su pojedinci neki već rekli da ih Bure jako rijetko napravi, a da ih puno ima problema sa objašnjavanjem i slično. Meni je Bure odmah uz Nolittu, sviđaju mi se njegove priče. Opet stvar ukusa. Sve je stvar ukusa. Ovaj tekst što ga je napisao netko na Drakwood forumu je za mene samo njegovo mišljenje, razumijem o čemu on govori sa svojim kritikama prema Buretu, ali meni to uopće ne smeta kod njegovih priča. Boselli za mene isto nije uopće loš, Crni brod je top 10 priča za mene. Ali ove epizode Kraken, Tron bogova, Morska strava, Kandrax ird. su prenaporne za čitanje i zato je meni Bure draži od njega. Kao što sam već rekao, stvar ukusa ;)
Kraken i Morska strava je ista epizoda. Boselli ima dobrih uradaka i mislim da je bolji scenarist od Burattinija, samo zna pretjerati sa forsiranjem nekih elemenata ( tendencija da svaka priča bude puna sporednih likova, epska, svijet u opasnosti itd). Burattini je napravio dobrih epizoda, ali većina su mu prosječne. |
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adriano
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 12:22:44
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evo bas jucer sam opet procitao razbojnike iz skrivene doline. Sve je super u prvom dijelu, odnosno zaplet je dobar. Ekspedicija ide na Island, veliko nevrijeme, osjeca se miris velike avanture u zraku i onda sve pokvari u zadnjem dijelu sa onim nekakvim razbojnicima iz doline ciji voda je cak otac jednog od negativaca. Ta scena ko da je stigla iz meksicke sapunice. poslije toga ko u vecini Bozelija kresevo izmedu 3,4 razlicite ekspedicije i na kraju hepi end njih 50 prijatelja. |
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teller
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 13:05:24
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quote: Originally posted by Tintilinic
To su sve priče za koje su pojedinci neki već rekli da ih Bure jako rijetko napravi, a da ih puno ima problema sa objašnjavanjem i slično. Meni je Bure odmah uz Nolittu, sviđaju mi se njegove priče. Opet stvar ukusa. Sve je stvar ukusa. Ovaj tekst što ga je napisao netko na Drakwood forumu je za mene samo njegovo mišljenje, razumijem o čemu on govori sa svojim kritikama prema Buretu, ali meni to uopće ne smeta kod njegovih priča. Boselli za mene isto nije uopće loš, Crni brod je top 10 priča za mene. Ali ove epizode Kraken, Tron bogova, Morska strava, Kandrax ird. su prenaporne za čitanje i zato je meni Bure draži od njega. Kao što sam već rekao, stvar ukusa ;)
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Elderane84
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 14:04:34
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Uvijek te sulude zamjene teza :) Te ukusi, te ovaj valja na ovom serijalu, a ne valja na onom... Besmisao totalni i mlacenje prazne slame. Verni je najgori crtac Zagorove ekipe, i to ne moze da promijeni ni 1 000 000 njegovih fanova, koje svakako nema :). Boseli je bolji scenarista od Buratinija, a mi mozemo da nabrajamo do prekosutra pogotke jednog i drugog, cinjenica je cinjenica. A to sta se nekom svidja, to je u najmanju ruku nebitno. Mnogi vole Cecu, a preziru npr. Deep Purple, pa to nista ne znaci niti govori u prilog kvalitetu prve ili druge strane, vec samo o dobrom ili losem ukusu konzumenta. Go to Top of Page
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 14:27:54
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quote: Originally posted by Elderane84
Uvijek te sulude zamjene teza :) Te ukusi, te ovaj valja na ovom serijalu, a ne valja na onom... Besmisao totalni i mlacenje prazne slame. Verni je najgori crtac Zagorove ekipe, i to ne moze da promijeni ni 1 000 000 njegovih fanova, koje svakako nema :). Boseli je bolji scenarista od Buratinija, a mi mozemo da nabrajamo do prekosutra pogotke jednog i drugog, cinjenica je cinjenica. A to sta se nekom svidja, to je u najmanju ruku nebitno. Mnogi vole Cecu, a preziru npr. Deep Purple, pa to nista ne znaci niti govori u prilog kvalitetu prve ili druge strane, vec samo o dobrom ili losem ukusu konzumenta. Go to Top of Page
Neki kažu da se o ukusu ne raspravlja. Ja mislim da je objektivno gledano Ceca smeće od glazbe, ali uvijek će se naći netko tko će reći da nije. Bitno je kakve argumente ima. Objektivno mislim da je Boselli dobar scenarist. Burattini je ok, ali ipak lošiji od Bosellija. Ali opet objektivno, ima i dosta boljih stripova od Zagora. (svetogrđe, znam... ) |
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Elderane84
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 14:36:21
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To je zloupotrebljeno! Moze neko da ima ukus koji mu kaze da je Ivo Andric bolji od Mese Selimovica zbog toga i toga, ali kad izjavis da je "Na Drini cuprija" smece u odnosu na novo remek djelo Nives Celzijus (sto je adekvatno poredjenje npr. Vernijevog i Fontovog Boneli opusa), onda tu necemo i ne mozemo da pricamo o ukusima i ne znam ti cemu slicnom. Ja sam siguran da postoji dobran broj forumasa, koji smatraju da je Ciko pracovjek bolji strip od npr. bilo kojeg broja Asteriksa, ali to nije uopste razlog za bilo kakvu raspravu, kao sto ne postoji razlog da fana Jelene Karleuse ubjedjujes da je acid jazz prava vrsta muzike za njega. Beznadezno je pricati o tome.
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 14:45:19
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Meni je Chiarolla nejgori crtač Zagorove ekipe (iako Laurenti u zadnje vrijeme prijeti da preuzme tu titulu) i to ne može promijeniti ni nekoliko milijuna njegovih fanova. Također smatram da je BM najbolja muzika koja postoji iako recimo Madonna ima puno više fanova. Sada, to je sve stvar ukusa i nitko me ne može uvjeriti da je moj ukus loš... na kraju krajeva, na ovom svijetu bi bilo tako dosadno da svi imaju jednake ukuse.  |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 14:50:04
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quote: Originally posted by Elderane84
To je zloupotrebljeno! Moze neko da ima ukus koji mu kaze da je Ivo Andric bolji od Mese Selimovica zbog toga i toga, ali kad izjavis da je "Na Drini cuprija" smece u odnosu na novo remek djelo Nives Celzijus (sto je adekvatno poredjenje npr. Vernijevog i Fontovog Boneli opusa), onda tu necemo i ne mozemo da pricamo o ukusima i ne znam ti cemu slicnom. Ja sam siguran da postoji dobran broj forumasa, koji smatraju da je Ciko pracovjek bolji strip od npr. bilo kojeg broja Asteriksa, ali to nije uopste razlog za bilo kakvu raspravu, kao sto ne postoji razlog da fana Jelene Karleuse ubjedjujes da je acid jazz prava vrsta muzike za njega. Beznadezno je pricati o tome.
To vjeruju ljudi koji su odrasli na Bonelliju (i to onom starom) i dijelom iz nostalgije, dijelom iz komotnosti odbijaju prihvatiti bilo što drugačije/novo iako ima cijeli svijet stripova izvan Bonellija... |
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adriano
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 15:24:50
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opet ta nostalgija. dovoljno je procitat opet stare i nove epizode i uvidjeti da su stare objektivno bolje. Neke vidis da su losije nego si zamisljao, ali vecina epizoda koje sam opet procitao je potvrdila da je stari Zagor bolji. Meni je i Buratini bolji od Bozelija, ali opet nisam iskljuciv da ne prihvacam drugacija misljenja i proglasavam ih necijim losim ukusom. |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 15:37:23
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quote: Originally posted by adriano
opet ta nostalgija. dovoljno je procitat opet stare i nove epizode i uvidjeti da su stare objektivno bolje. Neke vidis da su losije nego si zamisljao, ali vecina epizoda koje sam opet procitao je potvrdila da je stari Zagor bolji. Meni je i Buratini bolji od Bozelija, ali opet nisam iskljuciv da ne prihvacam drugacija misljenja i proglasavam ih necijim losim ukusom.
Govorio sam o usporedbi Asterixa i Chico specijala. Što se mene tiče, i stari i novi Zagor su podjednako dobri, ali su drugačiji, za različitu publiku. A od scenarista mi je najbolji Nolitta, pa Boselli, pa Buratini. Nostalgija je po meni razlog zašto neki forumaši preferiraju Mikija ili Bleka, a sve što je van Bonellija odbijaju čitati. |
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adriano
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nagor
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 15:59:48
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quote: Originally posted by adriano
opet ta nostalgija. dovoljno je procitat opet stare i nove epizode i uvidjeti da su stare objektivno bolje.
Pa da... zbog nostalgije... |
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 16:05:11
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
quote: Originally posted by adriano
opet ta nostalgija. dovoljno je procitat opet stare i nove epizode i uvidjeti da su stare objektivno bolje.
Pa da... zbog nostalgije...
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nagor
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 16:14:06
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Nikad nisam rekao da te epizode ne valjaju. To su klasici i temelji serijala, koje smo čitali kad nismo imali brige na svijetu... Nema ničeg ljepšeg nego uzeti potrganu zlatnu seriju i vratiti se nazad... ali ne možeš reć da su Horde zla, Massai killer ili Bijes Osaga bolje od ovih top novijih priča... Buretovih, Bosellijevih, Rauchovih svejedno...
To je ono što Elderane priča... neke stvari su definitivno objektivne... to da su stare priče "objektivno bolje" nije istina... ako želiš o ukusima onda izbaci ovaj "objektivno" koji nema što tražiti kod tog ranijeg razdoblja... osim kod Ferrija, koji je objektivno bio bolji prije... :) |
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