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tinton
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Posted - 11/09/2015 : 21:20:23
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Osim 6 jubilaraca u boji je izašla i epizoda Manituova škrinja u originalnom broju 551 koji je objavljen povodom 50 godina izlaska serijala.
Mislim da je i Indijanski cirkus u originalu kolor.
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bjelolasica
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Posted - 11/09/2015 : 21:22:37
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Osim 6 jubilaraca u boji je izašla i epizoda Manituova škrinja u originalnom broju 551 koji je objavljen povodom 50 godina izlaska serijala.
Mislim da je i Indijanski cirkus u originalu kolor.
 U Zagoru ih je originalno ukupno 8: šest jubilaraca, cirkus i škrinja.  |
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Space Marine
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Posted - 12/09/2015 : 10:34:25
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quote: Originally posted by Deers
Siguran u to? Do sada nisam našao na tu informaciju ai zvuči mi malo vjerojatno.
Je, ta informacija je točna. Sjećam se je, mislim iz one Ludensove knjige Život sa Zagorom. |
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Posted - 12/09/2015 : 21:59:30
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quote: Originally posted by Deers
Siguran u to? Do sada nisam našao na tu informaciju ai zvuči mi malo vjerojatno.
Slabo ti zvuči! Space Marine ti je potvrdio izvor, a ima ih još! |
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PijaniPatak
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 18:53:57
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ZG 601-602 Hellingenovo nasleđe
Dnevnik čitanja koji biste trebali izbeći, jer ruka tastaturom leti bez mnogo obzira po one koji čekaju na domaće izdanje.
Nije da ću nekome baš i pokvariti čitanje. Sa ovolikim razočaranjem mogu samo da vam spustim očekivanja do te mere da će vam možda skeptičnost uzrokovana ovim skromnim mišljenjem možda servirati i koje prijatno iznenađenje.
Ideja je solidna. Nije najbolja, ali nije ni loša. Akcenat je na Zagoru i njegovom centralnom položaju Heroja sa velikim H, u stilu jubilarne priče za šta je bila i osmišljena. Problem je u realizaciji, u preteranom naglašavanju ideje, daleko van granica očiglednosti i nešto manje van granica davljenja. Samo on „to“ može. Svi oko njega, koliko god sposobni, i koliko god to kontradiktorno po njihova ranija delanja u serijalu bilo (Tonka, recimo), samo su pasivni posmatrači sa ukrštenim rukama. Bogomoljke. Pogubljene ovce. Jer Zagor je jedini dovoljno velik. Zato će oni čekati van pećine, a Zagora pustiti da radi sam Nije problem ni u terminatorima 19-og veka. Videli smo i jače anahronističke posvete delima iz književne i filmske umetnosti, tako da je švarci-koji-hoda lepo funkcionalan i unutar kanona. Nema razloga da jednom zagorovcu tako nešto ne smeta. Grafički, sve je promašeno (ali „ipak je to Ferri“ priču ću svakako naglasiti u stilu najzagorelijeg zagorovca). Burattini s druge strane nema izgovora u godinama za vratom. Scenario se svodi na mnogo priče, mnogo priče za vreme akcije i mnogo složenih dedukcionih razmišljanja za vreme akcije. U scenama u kojima čak i čiča-Ferri dovoljno stavlja do znanja šta se dešava, Burattini ubacuje oblačić detaljnog opisa. Pa i kad Zagor trči hodnikom, a oko njega padaju metalne ploče i stubovi, razmišljaće o tome kako je gotov ako ne izbegne metalne ploče i stubove koji padaju oko njega. Kada jedan terminator (koji ga je unazad 10-tabli ganjao levo-desno) juri na njega iz obližnjeg hodnika a drugi samo što nije zamahnuo sekirom na njega, Zagor razmišlja o tome kako iz obližnjeg hodnika dolazi mašina koja ga je jurila ali da sada mora da misli o tome kako da izbegne udarce ove druge. Sprdačina! Za Grunfove majice! „Ako ne otvorim ova vrata ostaću zatvoren ovde unutra“ . Da pukneš od smeha i vrištiš od besa. A kad nema akcije, likovi sede nekoliko strana i pričaju i pričaju. Nije to nešto novo. Ali, na primer, kada je Zagor seo sa traperima ispred kolibe u „Specijalnom agentu“ i prepričavao im događaje iz „Terora šeste planete“ i „Demona ludila“, dijalozi su bili interesantni, živi, onakvi kakvi trebaju da budu između normalnih ljudi. Ovde ne.
Ova priča je otprilike enciklopedijski primer koliko se neka potencijalno dobra priča može uništiti Burattinijevom idiotskom navikom da svoje čitaoce poput najobičnijeg idiota tretira kao idote. Ovde je u pitanju bukvalno samo to, ali je provučeno kroz priču od prve do poslednje strane, na račun dinamike, naracije, priče uopšte...svega! Samo da je to prepolovio, imao bi daleko jače ocene. Ovako...šipak, Moreno!
Priča: 8 Scenarij: 2 Crtež: 6 Naslovnica: 8
P.S. „Resurekcija“ koja sledi je grafički daleko kvalitetnija i rešenje Hellingenovog uskrsnuća mi se čini prihvatljivim. Prisutno je i prepričavanje (lokaciona verzija : kočija) ali za taj momenat umereno. Meni obećava. Čuće se.
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DNEVNIK CITANJA: Etika junaštva i deklišeizirani koreni u “Zagor prica...”
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Poncho
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 19:10:25
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I on je tu priču godinama razvijao, čuvao u ladici i čekao trenutak odrješenih ruku?
Bure crni bure, bit ćeš Zagorov Nizzi. |
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PijaniPatak
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 19:27:57
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quote: Originally posted by Poncho
I on je tu priču godinama razvijao, čuvao u ladici i čekao trenutak odrješenih ruku?
Bure crni bure, bit ćeš Zagorov Nizzi.
Mislim da je to tek sledeća, a i za nju sumnjam da je bila razvijena tek u formi sinopsisa, a da je scenario nastao nedavno.
Ovo ovde je trebao da bude jubilarac-uvod u fabulu sledećega. |
DNEVNIK CITANJA: Etika junaštva i deklišeizirani koreni u “Zagor prica...”
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 19:45:54
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quote: Originally posted by PijaniPatak
quote: Originally posted by Poncho
I on je tu priču godinama razvijao, čuvao u ladici i čekao trenutak odrješenih ruku?
Bure crni bure, bit ćeš Zagorov Nizzi.
Mislim da je to tek sledeća, a i za nju sumnjam da je bila razvijena tek u formi sinopsisa, a da je scenario nastao nedavno.
Ovo ovde je trebao da bude jubilarac-uvod u fabulu sledećega.
Znači nakon ove slijedi još jedna priča o Hellingenu, ili misliš na Uskrnuće koje je ako se ne varam samo nastavak ove epizode? |
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 20:15:34
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Osim što se potpuno slažem sa Patkovim viđenjem Burattinijevog Hellingena, ovaj citat mi je najjači...
quote: Sprdačina! Za Grunfove majice! „Ako ne otvorim ova vrata ostaću zatvoren ovde unutra“ . Da pukneš od smeha i vrištiš od besa. A kad nema akcije, likovi sede nekoliko strana i pričaju i pričaju.
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PijaniPatak
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 20:29:14
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
quote: Originally posted by PijaniPatak
quote: Originally posted by Poncho
I on je tu priču godinama razvijao, čuvao u ladici i čekao trenutak odrješenih ruku?
Bure crni bure, bit ćeš Zagorov Nizzi.
Mislim da je to tek sledeća, a i za nju sumnjam da je bila razvijena tek u formi sinopsisa, a da je scenario nastao nedavno.
Ovo ovde je trebao da bude jubilarac-uvod u fabulu sledećega.
Znači nakon ove slijedi još jedna priča o Hellingenu, ili misliš na Uskrnuće koje je ako se ne varam samo nastavak ove epizode?
Ne, ne. Nisi razumeo. Ali i ne krivim te. Nismo ni mi bili baš najjasniji. Ovo ovde nije priča o Hellingenu. Više se svodi na "Osećam da je Hellingen živ" trip. Ovde se on i dalje samo najavljuje. Nazovimo ovo sve "Hellingen-sagom". Broj 600 "Dan invazije" je sa određenim događajima i iluzijama deo Hellingenovog povratka, ali je fizički posebna priča i apsolutno nepotrebna po celokupan koncept. Broj 601 "Hellingenovo nasleđe" + 60 strana u 602 su uvodna priča. "Resurekcija", tj. 3 deo sage, glavni i finalni u kojem se Hellie konačno vraća, uopšte pojavljuje, kreće od 61. strane broja 602 "Resurekcija".
Dakle br.600 "Dan invazije"- posebna priča delimično vezana za sagu br.601/602 "Hellingenovo nasleđe" -posebna priča, uvodnog tipa br.602-606 "Resurekcija" -glavna priča, Hellingenov povratak |
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D.J.
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 20:39:58
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Hvala, sad je malo jasnije. Nije mi bilo jasno jer sam mislio da su Naslijeđe i Resurekcija ista priča. Kako god, čini se da dosad nitko nije zadovoljan Buretovim scenarijem. Ima li šanse da glavna priča popravi dojam? |
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 21:16:33
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
Hvala, sad je malo jasnije. Nije mi bilo jasno jer sam mislio da su Naslijeđe i Resurekcija ista priča. Kako god, čini se da dosad nitko nije zadovoljan Buretovim scenarijem. Ima li šanse da glavna priča popravi dojam?
Hebeš priču. Strip je prvenstvano vizualni dozivljaj. 
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Poncho
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 22:50:18
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Pa stani Patak, nije li onda Bure po broju stranica tu negdje s Divovima dobra i zla?
Jebote lika, odlučio se obračunati s "ocem" Nollitom, nekadašnjim kolegom (koji ga je prešišao u fami) Bosellijem i "uljezom" Sclavijem Ovo mi sve već lagano nalikuje na neke komplekse. |
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PijaniPatak
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PijaniPatak
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 23:26:25
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quote: Originally posted by Zoroasterixx
Hvala, sad je malo jasnije. Nije mi bilo jasno jer sam mislio da su Naslijeđe i Resurekcija ista priča. Kako god, čini se da dosad nitko nije zadovoljan Buretovim scenarijem. Ima li šanse da glavna priča popravi dojam?
Za sada ima Mislim da će se i solar tu složiti sa mnom. Prvih 40-ak tabli odlično izgledaju. |
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Deers
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Posted - 13/09/2015 : 23:36:12
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Kad bi se uzelo tu Buretovu priču i prepravilo je da liči na nešto (izbacilo viškove, za početak) da li bi on primjetio i priznao da je priča bolja? Mislim da ne. Već sam rekao, Zagoru treba novi urednik. Ne ulazim u to koliko on poznaje lika ali neke osnove stripa ima jedva dovoljan. Drži se ko pijan plota one Nolittine da svaku stvar treba čitatelju objasniti barem tri puta. |
"Trzaj mišica i nad prazninom sam." |
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Posted - 14/09/2015 : 00:04:00
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Meni samo nije jasno šta su koji kurac i vraćali Helingena posle Sklavija. Čovek je to odradio kak treba i lepo zatvorio korice bez mesta da se da nekakav lohičan nastavak. Ovo nema veze da sam ono tipa Divovi i ništa drugo ali jednostavno je glupo. |
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going going
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Posted - 14/09/2015 : 00:07:54
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quote: Originally posted by legaz
Meni samo nije jasno šta su koji kurac i vraćali Helingena posle Sklavija. Čovek je to odradio kak treba i lepo zatvorio korice bez mesta da se da nekakav lohičan nastavak.
Potpuno se slazem. Posle Divova vise nema sta da se prica o Helingenu.
Koliko god neko voleo ili ne tu epizodu, mora da se prizna da je na Helingena tu stavljena tacka. Dobio je svoj mir i treba ga i ostaviti u tom miru.
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