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nagor
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Croatia
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Posted - 05/09/2015 : 18:56:04
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quote: Originally posted by bjelolasica
Ma to nas ti pokušavaš samo utješiti. Zagor je mrtav         
Ma nije Zagor samo Hellingen i nostalgija. Nema predaje!   |
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senokute
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Germany
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Posted - 06/09/2015 : 17:31:51
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quote: Originally posted by solar
Pročitao sam prvu epizodu Hellingena #601.
Ako se po jutru dan poznaje, najebali smo! 
Namjerno ne spominjem nikakve detalje radi spojlera. Ok, još uvijek smo na uvodu, ali scenarij je baš jadan, onako klasična burattinijevština, hrpa prepričavanja, sa prilično banalnim događajima. Kraj epizode je posebno loš jer se ponavljaju događaji iz sredine stripa koji su tada trebali završiti.
Ipak, ja sam optimista pa vjerujem da će sljedeći brojevi biti bolji.
Priča: 6 Scenarij: 5 Crtež: 7 Naslovnica: 8
Mislim da ideja (prica) uopste nije losa, ali ja scenariju ne bi dao ni 4, najmanje 30 posto dijaloga je nepotrebno ili bez ikakvog smisla ili na vrlo naivnom nivou. Ovaj Bure bi trebao samo da radi price a neko drugi da radi scenarij. Ovako ispada da sam upropastava vlastite price . |
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bjelolasica
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Croatia
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PijaniPatak
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Germany
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PijaniPatak
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Germany
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solar
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Croatia
21432 Posts
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Posted - 06/09/2015 : 21:16:57
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quote: Ima nekih čudesa koji mi zahtevaju debelo opravdanje u nastavku.
Pustimo na stranu svu silu prepričavanja, banalnost radnje i klišeje iz prethodnih Hellingenovih priča, konkretno na 72. str. završava glavni zaplet i onda desetak stranica poslije toga opet počinje na identičan način, samo ovaj put u svrhu pravljenja lošeg cliffhangera.... ma jadno. |
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zeljko
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 07/09/2015 : 11:36:30
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bome slabo ide prodaja ovog zagora dok martijevi tirazi nestaju 2 mjeseca poslije 100+ na stanju od 400 razočarali ste |
Utabanim stazama ocaja! |
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Poncho
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Croatia
3464 Posts
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Posted - 07/09/2015 : 12:37:03
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Znaci da su očekivanja nas bureskeptika bila očekivana. Bure uništava Hellingena.
Solar samo reci jel on u potpunosti preskočio Bosellijeva Hellingena? |
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 07/09/2015 : 12:41:58
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quote: Originally posted by Poncho
Znaci da su očekivanja nas bureskeptika bila očekivana. Bure uništava Hellingena.
Solar samo reci jel on u potpunosti preskočio Bosellijeva Hellingena?
Pusti ti Buratinija na miru, ti ga ne voliš, a nama nekima je on O.K. Stvar ukusa. |
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solar
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Posted - 07/09/2015 : 12:45:55
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quote: Solar samo reci jel on u potpunosti preskočio Bosellijeva Hellingena?
Broj 601 je tek uvod, prava radnja se još nije zahuktala tako se ne zna puno. |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 07/09/2015 : 13:00:57
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quote: Originally posted by Poncho
Znaci da su očekivanja nas bureskeptika bila očekivana. Bure uništava Hellingena.
Unistio ga je Boselli prije dvadesetak godina. Vidjecemo da li ce ga Bure skroz zgaziti ili ipak malo podici u odnosu na Bosellijevu pricu. Vec sada je jasno da se ne moze ocekivati remek-djelo.
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Poncho
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Posted - 07/09/2015 : 13:26:06
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quote: Originally posted by Kruger
quote: Originally posted by Poncho
Znaci da su očekivanja nas bureskeptika bila očekivana. Bure uništava Hellingena.
Solar samo reci jel on u potpunosti preskočio Bosellijeva Hellingena?
Pusti ti Buratinija na miru, ti ga ne voliš, a nama nekima je on O.K. Stvar ukusa.
Da, stvar ukusa. Nekima OK nije dosta. |
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PijaniPatak
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Germany
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Posted - 07/09/2015 : 14:29:56
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quote: Originally posted by Poncho
Znaci da su očekivanja nas bureskeptika bila očekivana. Bure uništava Hellingena.
Solar samo reci jel on u potpunosti preskočio Bosellijeva Hellingena?
Sve su prilike da uništava.
A Bosellijev Hellingen se spominje, ali više iz perspektive baze Drugde: spominje se Poeovo učešće u jednoj od Hellingen-kriza. |
DNEVNIK CITANJA: Etika junaštva i deklišeizirani koreni u “Zagor prica...”
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solar
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Posted - 08/09/2015 : 08:43:07
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Evo završio sam i "Uskrsnuće" #602.
Ne znam što da vam kažem, ne bih želio nikome ubijati entuzijazam ali meni ovo nije baš dobro.
Naravno, bez spojlera. Priča (ideja) je malo bolja jer se počinju događati neke važnije stvari, ali način na koji je to ispričano je loš. Ne sjećam se kada sam vidio toliko pričanja, prepričavanja... Zagor na početku ima par akcijskih scena i cijelo vrijeme dok mi gledamo što se događa iznad njegove glave stoje balončići u kojima nam Burattini stalno obašnjava najočitije stvari. Nakon prestanka akcije počinje festival pričanja, sjedanja, prepričavanja svih događaja. Prisjećamo se broja 600, prisjećamo se Nolittinog Hellingena, prisjećamo se onoga što se dogodilo u prošlom broju i tako stalno. Uglavnom, nema ritma, nema normalne naracije, a najviše mi ide na živce što je sve to skupa nekako banalno, neozbiljno, pravi retro-treš.
Ponavljam, ovo je barem moj dojam, nemojte odmah pasti u depresiju, možda se nekome i svidi.
Crtež je dobar, Ferri solidan, Sedioli/Verni prilično dobri.
Priča: 7 Scenarij: 4 Crtež: 7 Naslovnica: 8
p.s. Ako je suditi po naslovnici broja 603 slijedi nam jurcanje Zagora i Hellingena po podrumima baze Drugdje, to je tek poslastica. |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 08/09/2015 : 09:00:02
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quote: Originally posted by solar
Ako je suditi po naslovnici broja 603 slijedi nam jurcanje Zagora i Hellingena po podrumima baze Drugdje, to je tek poslastica.
Ili jos vjerovatnije: prepricavanje broja 602.  |
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Poncho
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Croatia
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Posted - 08/09/2015 : 11:25:59
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Sva se pesimistična predviđanja ostvaruju, Bure gazi sa prepričavanjima. Sve više nalikuje Zagorovom Nizziju.
I tolike godine je čekao priliku da izbaci svog Hellingena i onda tako kiksa. |
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legaz
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piquet
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Croatia
1593 Posts
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Posted - 08/09/2015 : 12:30:48
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ne iznenađuje me uopće...nakon što čovjek nakon 20 godina rada uspije izbaciti priču ponekad se vraćaju sa daleko najdebilnijim dijalozima u stripu ikad ne vidim zašto bi sada bilo nešto drukčije... |
"I kako se može razaznati je li neciji jezik iskren, ako mu ne gledamo u lice dok govori i ako ne slušamo zvuk njegovih rijeci?" |
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bjelolasica
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Croatia
5106 Posts
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Posted - 08/09/2015 : 15:40:31
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Krv Apača je ripoff Texove priče Čovjek s ožiljkom/Dimni signali. U obje priče imamo dobre Apače koji trebaju dobiti hranu, ali ih u tom trenutku napadnu topom napunjenim kamenjem, željezom i drugim smećem. Nakon masakra pobjegne jedan Apač koji još od ranije smatra da život s bijelcima nije moguć. I da u obje priče se dijeli nagrada za indijanske skalpove. |
Don’t beat me massa!Please don’t beat me massa!Don’t beat this tired old body! No, no! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D93Awa434 |
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markotamara
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Posted - 08/09/2015 : 18:39:49
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po solarovim ocjenama na prvu i to nije tako loše(osim sto mu se scenarij nije svidija po ocjeni),ipak ce to biti vrlo dobro odrađeno do kraja,drago mi je da je reka #Crtež je dobar, Ferri solidan, Sedioli/Verni prilično dobri#,meni ce onda biti još bolje a to znaci praznik za oči |
GALLIENO FERRI
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senokute
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Germany
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Posted - 09/09/2015 : 14:46:56
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Ovako na prvu, sto se tice crteza. Ako uspiju ova dvojica ovakav nivo da drze do kraja to ce biti mozda najbolji crtez u zadnjih 20 godina. Ovo u 602 sto su nacrtali za cistu desetku , Ocigledno pasu jedan drugom |
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morski
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adriano
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 11/09/2015 : 10:26:08
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Osim 6 jubilaraca u boji je izašla i epizoda Manituova škrinja u originalnom broju 551 koji je objavljen povodom 50 godina izlaska serijala. |
Sinaitakala Tu'imatamoana 'i Fanakavakilangi Fakafanua |
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