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Obi-wan
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 23:20:40
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Obrisani oglasi na NJuškalu također... |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
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Ramath
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Russia
2127 Posts
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 23:24:24
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quote: Originally posted by srdjandj
quote: Originally posted by Ramath
Zbilja bi dao ZS i LMS komplet za kopiju istoga? Iako se ne radi o istom kvalitetu stripa, stampe, papira i td?
Voleo bih da vidim da neko ima nastampan taj komplet!
Moji su u oceni 4, neki bolji, ima i losijih, tako da bi mi istovetan, glanc komplet, makar bili pirati, odgovarao.
Ajd vidjecemo kako ce se razvijati ova tvrtka sto radi to, mozda i nastancaju sve! |
Ja bi volio da ovde napisem nesto pametno ali se bojim da me niko nece razumjeti |
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ned_lynx
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 23:36:19
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Čemu se čudite? Štancovaće sve, ako ima potražnje.
A biće je. Ili je već sada tu.
Uostalom, bacite oko na kinesku ekonomiju i privredni uzlet; na čemu je bazna osnova? |
Piši propalo! |
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Markos
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 23:45:02
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quote: Originally posted by giant A...aaa tek sad primetio..izbrisana je samo ta aukcija dotičnog prodavača...mislim, da bi bilo korektnije nek se ga izbaci, jer je ovo zavestno pokušao prodati. Bez milosti u startu.... Poz g
Nisi dobro čitao, izbačen je. |
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Andrew Cain
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Croatia
331 Posts
Member since 02/08/2012 |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 23:48:46
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quote: Originally posted by Obi-wan
Obrisani oglasi na NJuškalu također...
Neka tako i treba slažem se. Tužno što je uopće takvo što pušteno u opticaj. |
Mogu prihvatiti neuspjeh. Ali ne mogu prihvatiti da prestanem pokušavati. |
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bihac-una
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Germany
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 07:16:23
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Ovaj nas drug Srdjan mora da je poludio ili se sali??? Tako sta da on zbori,(veliki ljubitelj ZS i LMS),dati original u koji je skoro citav zivot ulozio za kopije,ne razumijem
A DARKO 18 ne razumijem jos vise Dati za kopiju stripa broj ZS 2 500 kuna(iako je pocetna bila 1 kuna),a moci broj ZS 1 kupiti za 50 kuna na kolekcionar.eu mi je takodje neshvatljivo. Postoji logicno objasnjenje: Ili nije znao da je pirat,pa pozurio kupiti da ga neko ne preskoci(perfektno ocuvan strip ),ili stvarno ima tako puno para pa da mu razlika izmedje 50 i 500 kuna ne predstavlja apsolutno nikakav problem |
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srdjandj
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Serbia
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 08:09:57
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quote: Originally posted by bihac-una
Ovaj nas drug Srdjan mora da je poludio ili se sali??? Tako sta da on zbori,(veliki ljubitelj ZS i LMS),dati original u koji je skoro citav zivot ulozio za kopije,ne razumijem
Ovo mi je drugi komplet koji sam skupio, prvi sam, kao sto sam nekad rekao, profuckao u mladosti davajuci drugarima na citanje.Ovaj drugi sam skupio za cirka 2 godine intenzivnog skupljanja. Nije neka ocuvanost, recimo, u proseku za 4, tako da bi mi ovaj piratski komplet legao kao melem, jer ne bih ga prodavao, bilo bi to za kucnu biblioteku i sigurno je kvalitetnije odstampano, nego sto je to radio Dnevnik.
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Iz Vršca stiže glas, u vinu leži spas, ko vino ne pije, taj nek se ubije!!! |
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trolodtroje
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andjelt
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 09:48:02
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Smrtonosnu tumaku sam izbrisao jer autor "ne zna je li falsifikat, on nije osobno stripoljubac pa ne zna". Svatko sljedeći tko pokuša prodati falsifikat na s.com automatske leti s aukcija. A za vas ovdje što opravdavate ovu ekipu - ili još gore - što namjeravate kupiti te stripove - nemam riječi koliko je to jadno. Jedina vrijednost koju ti stripovi imaju je sentimentalna i kolekcionarska (jer, da vam je stalo do samog stripa, imate ga u jeftinim reprintima). A vi to želite zamijeniti lažnom kopijom? Nevjerojatno.
dobro zapažanje, to je sustina cele ove priče. |
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andjelt
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Serbia
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 10:41:43
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Nakon sto sam potrošio subotnje jutro na čitanje celog ovog topika imam potrebu da primetim sledece:
- "Ako pročitaš jedan topik na stripovi.com pročitao si ih sve !!!", jedna površna matrica svima im je zajednički imenitelj ... Dežurni sveznalci i samoproklamovani analitičari prvi će požuriti da "važno vrte palcem" i "kunu se u pretpostavke" glasno vikajući nešto tipa "može da bude, ali ne mora da znači do god je u okviru ...". Takodje, sa nešto malo zakašnjenja, pojaviće se oni koji baš i nemaju šta da kažu, ponekad zato što ih tema ne zamima ili su protiv njene promocije, ali "bildovanje" broja postova na forumu im je omiljeni sport, pa onda ... Naravno, cela priča mora biti začinjena javnim izricanjem internih pošalica, koje samo pisac i onaj kome su upućene razumeju ili "vojvodanjem" i "serderanjem" dvojce ili više učesnika. Neki se dodvoravaju autoritetima, a neki jednostavno lupetaju!!!  Da ne grešim dušu i budem totalno negativan, moram priznati da se tu i tamo pojavi neki smisleni i razuman post ili post sa zanimljivom informacijom. Na zalost, sve je manje takvih, a sve više onih drugih ... to je verovatno jedan od razloga, što sve manje posećujem ovaj forum i još redje se "drznem" nešto da napišem ...
- Što se tiče "piratskih primeraka ZS i LMS", mislim da je većina učesnika ove rasprave nedovoljno kolekcionarski dozrela da bi mogla šta pametno reći na tu temu.
- Sa "tehnološkog aspekta", a na osnovu nešto iskustva i interesovanja za štamparsku struku, rekao bih sledeće: Pravljenje vernih kopija orginalu je realno izvodnjivo iz prostog razloga što ni sam orginal (mislim na sveske LMS i ZS) nema neki jednobrazni i autentični kvalitet. Papir, roto mašina i boja daju se nabaviti. Sa druge strane, da li će uspeti da prevare nas koji smo veći deo svog, dosadašnjeg zivota posvetili toj tematici ? Promaćiće im neka sitnica koja će meni "lovcu na detalju" upasti u oko, ubedjen sam u to ... E sad, jesu li neki "momci" od "negde" spremni da ulože trud i novac u tako nešto ? Zapravo osnovno je pitanje isplativosti svega toga, jer ... usuđujem se da tvrdim, da je modernim načinom pripreme za štampu i štampanjem (koji je ekonomičan za manje tiraže) nemoguće postići taj i takav "kvalitet". Veliki tiraz i masovna poplava tržišta oborio bi cenu ...
- U svakom slučaju konstatovao bih, na kraju, da će upliv "mufljuza" i različitih "preduzetnih ljudi" uništiti ovu sporednu granu mog života za koju sam mislio da im, zbog svoje beznačajnosti, neće biti interesantna i da će je zaobići.
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zlikovski
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Croatia
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Spiderman
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Croatia
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pot
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Croatia
818 Posts
Member since 27/10/2002 |
Posted - 04/08/2012 : 13:40:13
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MIRIS, miris čovjeka najviše asocira na nešta iz prošlosti...kod starih stripova oduvjek sam voli taj miris starine.vlage jednaostavno dijetinjstva....mogu štampati kopije ali miris starine se nemože kopirati...ima još sumnjivih ponuda na aukcijama ali ne želim pogriješiti pa sam osobno poslao poruku prodavaču sa iskrenim pitanjem "dali su ovo originali" ako mi ništa ne javi postaviču link (čak mislim da je neke stripove malo oštetio da bude uvjerljiviji???)
MALO GLASNOG RAZMIŠLJANJA: nemam ništa proiv piratstva ako je navedeno da je kopija (iako je ilregalno ali šta češ svi kradu i varaju:)....svojevremeno sam kupovao dosta lp od rolling stones koji originali koštaju kao bolji auto:) pa onda mi kopija dobro dođe ali iako si nemogu priuštiti mislim da odlično ili -5 stripovi nisu preskupi mislim da su i dalje odlična investicija za ulaganje onima koji imaju novaca (prije cca 10 godina kupio sam od markosa lms br 2 za 500 kn (možete ga viditi na aukcijama "enciklopedija-pretraživanje) a sad bi vrijedio barem 1500 kn (ja sam ga prodao prije 4 godine za 1000 kn)....
LJUDI! ORIGINAL ČE ZA 50 GODINA VRIJEDITI PRAVO BOGATSTVO A KOPIJA NEČE VRIJEDITI NIŠTA ....
PS sad sam se sjetio (znate što je "obi" to vam je traka na japanskim gramofonskim pločama koja ide preko omota i na kojoj se nalaze podaci na njihovom jeziku ) e tako si mi možemo isprintati obi (traku) zlatna serija br 13 cjena 2 nd...) i samo nataknemo na zagor extra i evo nam kopije:)) |
JA BI MOGAO DA MOGU JA BI ZNAO DA ZNAM |
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pot
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Croatia
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miskod66
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Serbia
170 Posts
Member since 13/04/2010 |
Posted - 04/08/2012 : 15:12:13
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LJUDI! ORIGINAL ČE ZA 50 GODINA VRIJEDITI PRAVO BOGATSTVO A KOPIJA NEČE VRIJEDITI NIŠTA ....
Originali u super stanju vec sad vrede mnogo a mislim da ce uskoro dostici cene italijanskih originala.
Ovo sto se desava, da se zbog zarade kopiraju originali zs i lms, jeste jer je ponuda slaba. Toliko o tome da smo "preplavljeni" glancerima. |
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Spiderman
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Croatia
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Andrew Cain
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Croatia
331 Posts
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 16:24:47
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quote: Originally posted by miskod66
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LJUDI! ORIGINAL ČE ZA 50 GODINA VRIJEDITI PRAVO BOGATSTVO A KOPIJA NEČE VRIJEDITI NIŠTA ....
Originali u super stanju vec sad vrede mnogo a mislim da ce uskoro dostici cene italijanskih originala.
Ovo sto se desava, da se zbog zarade kopiraju originali zs i lms, jeste jer je ponuda slaba. Toliko o tome da smo "preplavljeni" glancerima.
Znači ipak da ne prodajem svoje orginale  |
Mogu prihvatiti neuspjeh. Ali ne mogu prihvatiti da prestanem pokušavati. |
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okiboki
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Serbia
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 16:45:50
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Ehhh a kad je par ljudi ovde tvrdilo da je moguce napraviti falsifikat vecina je govorila da je to nemoguce ili da se ne isplati.Ne isplati se jedan ali se isplati nastampati 20 komada od kojih je svaki 500 evra.Kad je par ljudi govorilo da ima stripova koji su stari 40 godina a nenormalno dobro ocuvani vecina je tvrdila da je to moguce.Trebao je neko da napise falsifikat da bi ljudi poverovali.Bas me zanima koliko se ljudi brine sad sto je za neki strip glancer od pre 40 godina dalo silne pare.Dali silne pare za nesto sto ne vredi nista. Meni takodje nije jasno da bi neko ko zna da je falsifikat dao i jedan dinar za tako nesto.Stvarno cemu?Pa imate hiljadu reprinta za koje su uredno placena prava i vrede bar toliko koliko kostaju. |
Ni živih se nisam boja, dok su bili za užasa, a nekmoli mrtvih pasa. |
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sawitch
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Serbia
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 16:58:22
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Ja sam bio zagovornik toga da je nemoguce napraviti savrsenu kopiju.. I dalje jesam.. Ovo jesu kopije ali mislim da bih to provalio i da mi se ne kaze samo po dodiru, prelistavanju.. A cudno da nema Ratka da se javi po ovom pitanju.. |
Patricia hic mea totus mundus est |
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srdjandj
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Serbia
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 17:09:24
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Ali zato mogu savrseno da se kopiraju posteri i slicice, zamislite koliko ima slicica falsifikovanih. |
Iz Vršca stiže glas, u vinu leži spas, ko vino ne pije, taj nek se ubije!!! |
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sawitch
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Serbia
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 20:55:46
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Ja bih i slicice uzeo kopije, samo da popunim ove albume sto imam.. Samo na to nisam naisao.. |
Patricia hic mea totus mundus est |
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Ramath
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Russia
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 21:45:09
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quote: Originally posted by sawitch
Ja bih i slicice uzeo kopije, samo da popunim ove albume sto imam.. Samo na to nisam naisao..
To bar nije problem |
Ja bi volio da ovde napisem nesto pametno ali se bojim da me niko nece razumjeti |
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sawitch
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Mr. Bushido
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Croatia
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 22:08:45
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quote: Originally posted by sawitch
Ja se ne slazem sa prodajom pirata ali mi je stampanje toga "za sebe" ok.. I naravno da bih voleo da imam par komada
Pa zašto ih onda sam ne tiskaš? |
Comics is any art you can read. -- Sean T. Collins |
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mamlaz
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Posted - 04/08/2012 : 23:25:37
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moze se napraviti vrlo dobar falsifikat, ali je pitanje koliko se to isplati. Kada ides fasificirat sliku nekog poznatog slikata nadas se zaradi od kojeg miliona eura, ili kada falsificiras filateliju ili novac - opet dobra zarada naspram ulozenoga, ali ici raditi odlicnu kopiju stripa je jos uvijek dosta neisplatljivo. |
Mrzim mrznju! |
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