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Obi-wan
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Posted - 05/01/2017 : 23:46:11
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Da zvali smo ih romani (nepravilno), a sada ih zovemo stripovi (pravilno). Just live with it... |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
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Dukidule
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Chile
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Posted - 06/01/2017 : 02:13:52
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quote: Originally posted by renda
quote: Originally posted by Moya
Ja još uvijek posjedujem nešto malo stripova i mislim da je dobar Zagor ili dobar Mister No bolji od filma sa John Wayneom. Nema ni John Wayne neku veliku umjetničku ni filozofsku vrijednost, ali volim ga pogledat. Kao što svaki film nije dobar film, tako ni svaki strip nije dobar strip. Ponekad mi se čini da je bolja propast stripa od kasina sa poštanskim markama. Nemojte te me više citirati. Imam namjeru napustiti ovaj forum i portal. Dosadilo mi je.
Super. Jedino bolje od toga da nisi ni došao.
Jbg., a i umorio se čovjek, nakon toliko postova.... |
Za koga ja navijam samo je moja stvar. A ljubav je jedna, jedina... |
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REJS
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Serbia
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Posted - 06/01/2017 : 08:38:56
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Romani je izraz koji su koristili stariji ili srednjovecni ljudi u to vreme.Obicno je pitanje bilo laicko ili potcenjivacko..tipa citas romane aaa ??? Stripovi su bili izraz za nesto blisko i nevino,a uz to tacno se znalo i sta su romani,gomila western romana bila je upticaju mozda i pre stripova. |
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 06/01/2017 : 09:01:52
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To romani/stripovi me podsjeca na jednu drugu raspravu...igre ili igrice.. E pa kad sam ja bio mulac, igra je bila npr sah, covjece ne ljuti se, briskula...a igrica je bila Doom, super mario.... A u danasnje vrijeme je neka spika da je to vrijedjanje igara jer to nisu male igrice i slicne gluposti. Ja se ne zamaram time, igram se, citam, gledam filmove...i uzivam.
Nego..o cemu je ono ovdje rijec?
A da, o nekom frajeru koji je mnoge sa foruma novcano izbio iz cipelica i nestao... |
-Hi Honey, did you miss me? -With every bullet so far... |
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Spiderman
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Posted - 06/01/2017 : 12:35:35
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quote: Originally posted by DiSkAcH
To romani/stripovi me podsjeca na jednu drugu raspravu...igre ili igrice.. E pa kad sam ja bio mulac, igra je bila npr sah, covjece ne ljuti se, briskula...a igrica je bila Doom, super mario....
a ne to su sve igre... a igrice su s komadom  |
Moj strip Moje aukcije |
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zeljko
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Spiderman
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lwood
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zeljko
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DiSkAcH
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/07/2017 : 14:16:17
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Pa vj nista (iliti pojeo vuk magare), covjek i pare nestali a romani postali stripovi... |
-Hi Honey, did you miss me? -With every bullet so far... |
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trle
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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zeljko
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Posted - 25/07/2017 : 15:02:28
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da...ti su mi iz hrvatske na piku pravo sumnjivi bio je onajniz srbije sto je pirate prodavao njemu svaka cast
ali brale ti iz hrvatske prodajes na pik.ba sirotinji :D |
Utabanim stazama ocaja! |
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ivke80
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Posted - 25/07/2017 : 20:30:14
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ja sam novi na strip sceni i sinoć sam čisto od znatiželje otvorio topic. Na kraju nisam išao leći dok sve postove nisam pročitao. ne znam nikoga od imena koje se spominju i ne bi ulazio u te detalje. ali ovo oko davanja svog profila drugome za aukcije mi je baš užas.nebitno je li za prodaju, je li za dizanje cijene ili što već. jednostavno uništava vjerodostojnost i povjerenje. i drugo, ovo sto je markos govorio da se u tiskari ilegalno rade dodatni primjerci me baš, baš neugodno iznenadilo. pa ljudi su uistinu bezobzirni i nemaju mjere. ne znam ni kako si vlasnik tiskare može tako neko nešto dozvoliti, to mi isto nije jasno, pa valjda mu je u interesu kontrolirati što mu se u firmi dešava. i u redu je da je naveo nickove osoba na koje sumnja, za mene su on automatski diskvalificirani kao prodavatelji.. |
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ivi skoj
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Posted - 25/07/2017 : 20:56:53
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Šta znači diskavalificirani kao prodavači? Pa svaki prodavač želi zaraditi na tebi, neko otkupi prava pa naštampa strip i proda ti ga sa zaradom, a neko kupi polovan, frendovi napumpaju cijenu i opet ti ga proda da si stavi koju kunu u đep. Nije ti niko ništa ukrao iz kuće i niko te ne tjera da daš lovu ako nećeš. Jednostavno trgovina sam po sebi nije baš najpošteniji način zarade. Nema neke regulative koliko si dosta nagrabio, nego trpaš ko da nema sutra. U ovom svemu je najtužnije da je ekipa iz tiskare sa naštampanih par komada viška napravila puno manju štetu nego službeni prodavatelji kao Algoritam. Nemam pojma kako Markos razmišlja, ali kad bi birao između povratka prekobrojno odštampanih stripova i Algoritmovog povratka love, ko zna šta bi rađe prihvatio. |
samo još vjeverice, Pola i Slatea cekam |
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risbozg
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Posted - 25/07/2017 : 21:22:36
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quote: Originally posted by ivi skoj
Šta znači diskavalificirani kao prodavači? Pa svaki prodavač želi zaraditi na tebi, neko otkupi prava pa naštampa strip i proda ti ga sa zaradom, a neko kupi polovan, frendovi napumpaju cijenu i opet ti ga proda da si stavi koju kunu u đep. Nije ti niko ništa ukrao iz kuće i niko te ne tjera da daš lovu ako nećeš. Jednostavno trgovina sam po sebi nije baš najpošteniji način zarade. Nema neke regulative koliko si dosta nagrabio, nego trpaš ko da nema sutra. U ovom svemu je najtužnije da je ekipa iz tiskare sa naštampanih par komada viška napravila puno manju štetu nego službeni prodavatelji kao Algoritam. Nemam pojma kako Markos razmišlja, ali kad bi birao između povratka prekobrojno odštampanih stripova i Algoritmovog povratka love, ko zna šta bi rađe prihvatio.
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ivke80
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Posted - 25/07/2017 : 21:24:40
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ma vrlo je jednostavno, ja ću radije dati 250 kuna za strip trgovačkom društvu Fibra nego 150 kuna liku koji je taj isti strip ukrao/ilegalno naštampao u tiskari. tako i sa Algoritmom, na početku sam uglavnom kupovao stripove kod njih, kad sam ovdje vidio da ne plaćaju prebacio sam se na on line od Fibre . a to što je Algoritam igrao kvarno ne daje nikome drugome legitmitet da postupa isto tako. sit sam tih muljaža na svemu i svačemu, gdje god se čovjek okrene uvijek ista priča. a iskreno sva kvazi-objašnjenja i opravdanja oko umjetnog dizanja cijena su mi skroz bezveze. ja osobno pregledam sve ponude koje su dane na određenoj aukciji i ako mi se učini da se umjetno diže cijena samo stavim taj strip na ignore. |
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 26/07/2017 : 09:17:17
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quote: Originally posted by ivke80
ma vrlo je jednostavno, ja ću radije dati 250 kuna za strip trgovačkom društvu Fibra nego 150 kuna liku koji je taj isti strip ukrao/ilegalno naštampao u tiskari. tako i sa Algoritmom, na početku sam uglavnom kupovao stripove kod njih, kad sam ovdje vidio da ne plaćaju prebacio sam se na on line od Fibre . a to što je Algoritam igrao kvarno ne daje nikome drugome legitmitet da postupa isto tako. sit sam tih muljaža na svemu i svačemu, gdje god se čovjek okrene uvijek ista priča. a iskreno sva kvazi-objašnjenja i opravdanja oko umjetnog dizanja cijena su mi skroz bezveze. ja osobno pregledam sve ponude koje su dane na određenoj aukciji i ako mi se učini da se umjetno diže cijena samo stavim taj strip na ignore.
U državi koja je otišla u kurac u svim segmentima, vrlo je teško biti pošten. Ili si ekstremno moralna osoba ili imaš dovoljno novaca. 95% stanovništa Hrvatske ne spada u te kategorije pa onda mulja i krade gdje god se može jer vrag je odnio šalu. Neki će kupiti ukraden strip, neki će krasti stripove od Fibre u tiskari, neki će staviti milijun kuna u džep od izmišljenog "projekta", neki će osuditu cijelu državu na životarenje da bi natrpali u svoje džepove. To je današnja realnost. Od cjenjene nacije, pretvorili smo se u naciju lopova. Ne opravdavam naravno (žalim ustvari), ali poprilično mi je jasno.
A što se tiče Dveribada, ne pišite previše. On će sve to pročitati and He's gonna get you. |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
Edited by - Obi-wan on 26/07/2017 22:07:14 |
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Dukidule
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Chile
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Posted - 26/07/2017 : 21:34:59
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quote: Originally posted by ivke80
ma vrlo je jednostavno, ja ću radije dati 250 kuna za strip trgovačkom društvu Fibra nego 150 kuna liku koji je taj isti strip ukrao
Ukoliko ti i sam vjeruješ u ovo što si napisao, e onda... Svjesno sam citat reducirao isključivo do onoga "ukrao" (o ilegalnom štampanju sad ne bih). Zašto? Znaš li ti kad, npr. na aukcijama, kupuješ stripove, da je sve i jedan na pošten način kupljen a niti jedan bilo gdje ili od koga ukraden? Ili ti kupuješ isključivo nove stripove, direktno od izdavača? Pretpostavljam ne, jer si pomenuo svoje sudjelovanje na aukcijama pa me baš zanima na koji način dobijaš garanciju da si kupio/osvojio strip koji je isključivo "legalnim" putem došao na tržište - od samog izdavača do zadnjeg ponuđača (ponuditelja)? |
Za koga ja navijam samo je moja stvar. A ljubav je jedna, jedina... |
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ivke80
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Posted - 26/07/2017 : 22:34:05
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quote: Originally posted by Dukidule
quote: Originally posted by ivke80
ma vrlo je jednostavno, ja ću radije dati 250 kuna za strip trgovačkom društvu Fibra nego 150 kuna liku koji je taj isti strip ukrao
Ukoliko ti i sam vjeruješ u ovo što si napisao, e onda... Svjesno sam citat reducirao isključivo do onoga "ukrao" (o ilegalnom štampanju sad ne bih). Zašto? Znaš li ti kad, npr. na aukcijama, kupuješ stripove, da je sve i jedan na pošten način kupljen a niti jedan bilo gdje ili od koga ukraden? Ili ti kupuješ isključivo nove stripove, direktno od izdavača? Pretpostavljam ne, jer si pomenuo svoje sudjelovanje na aukcijama pa me baš zanima na koji način dobijaš garanciju da si kupio/osvojio strip koji je isključivo "legalnim" putem došao na tržište - od samog izdavača do zadnjeg ponuđača (ponuditelja)?
Nije mi teško ponoviti - radije 250 kn Fibri nego 150 kn za isti strip liku koji ga je ukrao/ilegalno tiskao. Meni su stripovi zabava, opuštanje u slobodno vrijeme uz niz drugih hobija, mogu si priuštiti strip tu i tamo, poštujem trud, rad, vrijeme, novac i strast koji Fibra ulaže u izdavanje kvalitetnih i zanimljivih stripova tako da ću rado potrošiti kod njih, neka rastu i razvijaju se, a ako može neka si Fibra i zaradi nešto, to je u redu, fino i na svjetskom nivou rade.. Na aukciji kupujem ili izdanja iz Srbije jer mi je tako jednostavnije ili starije stripove od drugih izdavača koji su mi zanimljivi, kupio bi također i rasprodanu Fibru - međutim u svim navedenim slučajevima da znam da se radi o ukradenom/ilegalno tiskanom stripu ne ga bih kupio. Ne čitam ZS i LMS tako da nisam u tim kolekcionarskim đirevima skupljanja broja 22 iz 1982.god. pa me to niti ne opterećuje. I sva kvazi-opravdanja ili objašnjenja zašto je ok kupovati ukradeno/ilegalno tiskano su meni i dalje bezveze, no naravno svakom po volji, svatko zna šta je za njega najbolje. Eto toliko.. |
Edited by - ivke80 on 26/07/2017 22:35:04 |
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Dukidule
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Posted - 26/07/2017 : 22:40:03
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Ok, respektiram izjavu, ali jedno pitanje mi ipak još dozvoli. Ti ne radiš slučajno za Fibru?  |
Za koga ja navijam samo je moja stvar. A ljubav je jedna, jedina... |
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ivke80
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Posted - 26/07/2017 : 22:51:15
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quote: Originally posted by Dukidule
Ok, respektiram izjavu, ali jedno pitanje mi ipak još dozvoli. Ti ne radiš slučajno za Fibru? 
Fibra je tu samo primjer jer od naših izdavača zapravo samo njena izdanja i pratim. Međutim, sve rečeno vrijedi i za sve druge izdavače. Da ih pratim ne bih kupovao njihova ukradena/ilegalno tiskana izdanja. |
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 26/07/2017 : 23:01:37
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quote: Originally posted by ivke80
I sva kvazi-opravdanja ili objašnjenja zašto je ok kupovati ukradeno/ilegalno tiskano su meni i dalje bezveze, no naravno svakom po volji, svatko zna šta je za njega najbolje. Eto toliko..
Ma kakva kvazi opravdanja? Nema opravdanja. Svjesno kupovati ukradeno i podržavati lopove je pogrešno. To svi znaju. Ali opet se to radi... |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
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bvagner3
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Posted - 26/07/2017 : 23:50:40
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Ja kupujem samo legalno,osim u slučaju kad je legalno izdanje nekog izdanja nedostupno bilo da je rasprodano i strašno skupo ili još nije tiskano na meni razumljivom jeziku.Čim se pojavi legalno izdanje nekog stripa kojeg imam kao pirat,odmah kupujem legalno,a pirata se riješim,i prije sam tako radio,a i nastaviti ću tako. |
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Dukidule
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Chile
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Posted - 26/07/2017 : 23:51:11
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Gledam upravo paralelno dokumentarac o Sjevernoj Koreji:
http://www.ardmediathek.de/tv/Reportage-Dokumentation/Meine-Brüder-und-Schwestern-in-Nordkorea/Das-Erste/Video?bcastId=799280&documentId=44726564 (naslov: "Meine Brüder und Schwestern in Nordkorea")
Svaka izjava baš svakog stanovnika kojega su izabrali za intervju, podsjeća me na poneku iz ovog topika. Pojma nemam zašto... |
Za koga ja navijam samo je moja stvar. A ljubav je jedna, jedina... |
Edited by - Dukidule on 26/07/2017 23:56:20 |
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Peyo
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Posted - 27/07/2017 : 00:00:07
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quote: Originally posted by Dukidule Svaka izjava baš svakog stanovnika kojega su izabrali za intervju, podsjeća me na poneku iz ovog topika. Pojma nemam zašto...
Sigurno i tamo ima stripovskih pirata . |
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