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Dado
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:27:28
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Markos, mislim da nisi bacio sat vremena uzalud i sve je uglavnom u redu sto si napisao. Jasno da si u mogucnosti objektivno sagledati situaciju jer si bio i clan Libellusa a u medjuvremenu si o svemu stekao jos vise iskustva radeci na svojim izdanjima u Fibri.
Osvrnuo bih se samo na tvoje zadnje recenice: Kritike. Problem je, vjerojatno, u internetu, jer napisano se cesto puta moze krivo protumaciti. Poanta je da nije svaka kritika zlonamjerna, ali može postati, recimo to tako, otrovna, ako se tako prema njoj odnosi. Ni Kruger, ni Ratko nisu "neprijatelji" Libellusa. Ali sigurno je da ni, recimo to tako, potcjenjivacki odgovori druge strane ne pomažu, pa se stvara nepotreni animozitet.
Mislim da ovdje nisi posve u pravu. Znas da kao ni ti ne bjezimo od kritike kakva god bila. No ponavljanje jedne te iste stvari, bez argumenata, ja ne mogu vise dozivjeti kao kritiku, vec iskljucivo kao provokaciju. A kako sam znas da Krugera poznam, i da jednostavno s njim ozbiljno pricati na forumu ne vrijedi, ja sam mu onako odgovorio. A on zna moj broj, ima moj mail i ako ga nesto interesira uvijek mi je se mogao javiti.
Sto se tice Ratka, ono sto on pise o nama to je zlonamjerno, i to radi ciljano, u to me nitko ne moze razuvjeriti. A evo i zasto tako mislim. Kad god je imao bilo sto prigovoriti novim izdavacima, uvijek smo to bili mi. Primjerice kad je pricao o prodaji "iz podruma" pricao je o Libellusu, kad prica o cijeni - prica o tome kako Libellus dere, zaradjuje i pljacka neduzne stripofile. Zasto to ne pise i o drugim izdavacima, kad svi mi vise-manje imamo slicne cijene za slicne stvari. Zasto nije otvorio topic o vecini izdavaca a ne uvijek i konkretno kad god ima priliku on se javljao da bi napisao nesto kontra nas. I tako redom, ima jos primjera... Osim toga sve ovo sto je on napisao o Libellusu, on je to i do sad govorio nama iza ledja, iste rijeci isto misljenje. Ti si sad naveo neke konkretne primjere s cijenama, mislis da ce ti on vjerovati. Njemu su i ljudi koje naziva prijateljima govorili da nije tocno sto prica (jer su imali mogucnosti vidjeti Libellus dokumentaciju), no on ni njima ne zeli vjerovati. A kad netko izbjegava sva razumna pojasnjenja i dokaze i dalje prica svoju negativnu pricu, ja ne mogu prihvatiti da to netko radi dobronamjerno i bez cilja. Vjeruj mi, ni ti nebi govorio o dobrim namjerama da ti netko na isti nacin to radi. |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:27:41
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
I meni je ovo malo ruzno citati, ali, ako nista drugo, sad bar znam kako to izgleda kad se gleda sa strane, pa cu drugi put kad se nadjem u ulozi diskutanta pokusat izbjeci ovakve rasprave, jer mi se cini kako nijedna od suprostavljenih strana ne moze nista dobiti iz ovoga, samo izgubiti. Jer, na kraju uopce nisu bitni argumenti nego ostaje upamcen taj neki tuzan i ruzan ton rasprave. Nemojte si to raditi.
Ovdje ti moram protivrjeciti. Za mene je veliko zadovoljstvo citati duge Dadove postove,bez obzira na temu.Jedan je od rijetkih koji sastavi vise od pet recenica a da se mogu procitati. Zato Dveribade,nastavi sa provokacijama jer barem nesto pozitivno izlazi od svega toga  |
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Dado
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:29:52
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Ups. malo me veza zeza, pa sam dva puta postao isto...  Ali maknuo sam visak. |
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Dado
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:31:22
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quote: Originally posted by Kit Carson
quote: Originally posted by Dado ... samo bih molio moderatore da ubuduce (a to vazi i za mene prvog) svo offtopicarenje upozore i po potrebi sankcioniraju.
Eh, sad! Nemojmo preterivati!  
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manhunter
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:31:35
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Za mene je veliko zadovoljstvo citati duge Dadove postove,bez obzira na temu.
A zamisli kad si sa njim uživo pa krene da prica...  
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I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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Dado
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:35:07
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Za mene je veliko zadovoljstvo citati duge Dadove postove,bez obzira na temu.
A zamisli kad si sa njim uživo pa krene da prica...  
  
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Toninho
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:37:56
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quote: Originally posted by Renky
Opet se ja obracam Rommelu a elektricar upade
hebe lud zbunjena ostaš ti bez struje paz šta govoriš |
kad ce mirko i Slavko od prvog broja |
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Dado
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:38:11
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quote: Originally posted by Toninho
Dado R more bit sve al nije napuvana osoba vec upravo obrnuto - pomalo zatvoren tip pa zbog toga ljudi misle upravo obrnuto moram priznat da je i moj dojam bio u pocetku da je zera s motkom u ledima - eto zajebo sam se priznajem
Hmm... ovo napuvana moze se shvatit i zbog izgleda... nema druge moram mrsavit...   A znas kako je, da bi nekog poznavao moras ga i upoznati... Ne, ne pise ovo na Grunfovoj majici. |
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tumen
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:40:03
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Što se mene tice,priznajem da me je na pocetku ponovnog skupljanja stripova uhvatila groznica za starim izdanjima i želeo sam da kupim što više toga.Ali to me je sada prošlo.Zato me je sada uhvatila groznica kupovine Libelusovih izdanja,ali i tu imam problem jer ima par rasprodatih naslova,a i njih je na aukcijama gotovo nemoguce uzeti jer dostižu takode visoke cene.I to treba uzeti u obzir,generalno svaki strip koji je manje dostupan košta mnogo i tu nije toliko rec da li je nešto novo ili staro.Pola ljudi se pali na ono nedostupno i rasprodato,neki naravno hoce da kompletiraju ono što im fali,a dobar deo ostalih planira neke buduce aukcije gde bi to još skuplje prodao.Eto,i u tome je stvar. Probao sam danas da osvojim Libelusovog Mister Noa broj 3,ali nema šanse,ljudi bi se nabidavali sa mnom do 200 kuna i više,objektivno taj strip ipak ne vredi baš toliko.Mada,možda ce i vredeti za koju godinu.Mislim da ce rasprodanim izdanjima cena vremenom sve više rasti i tu smo tek na pocetku.Neminovno je takode da onda usledi i pad cena starih ZS i LMS,mislim da je letos dostignut neki vrhunac i da je sada ipak usledio blagi pad što se ipak i primecuje.No i tu smo tek na pocetku. Generalno,u nekom narednom periodu i cene starih ZS i LMS ce biti zajedno visoke,ali ce sve ostalo biti izuzetno jeftino i dostupno.Rastom broja Libelusovih izdanja,pogotovo i brojem rasprodatih kao i ipak i blagim probojem na tržištu HC izdanja Veselog cetvrtka,ta ravnoteža ce biti ipak narušena,ali to se nece baš tako brzo desiti.
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Toninho
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:41:38
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quote: Originally posted by Dado
quote: Originally posted by Toninho
Dado R more bit sve al nije napuvana osoba vec upravo obrnuto - pomalo zatvoren tip pa zbog toga ljudi misle upravo obrnuto moram priznat da je i moj dojam bio u pocetku da je zera s motkom u ledima - eto zajebo sam se priznajem
Hmm... ovo napuvana moze se shvatit i zbog izgleda... nema druge moram mrsavit...   A znas kako je, da bi nekog poznavao moras ga i upoznati... Ne, ne pise ovo na Grunfovoj majici.
ma ja sam isto davno doživio uletio u neku novu kombinaciju usro se a onda mi jedan frend nakon dugo vrimena kaže da je mislio da sam napuvaniji od Dade R |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:50:18
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Za mene je veliko zadovoljstvo citati duge Dadove postove,bez obzira na temu.
A zamisli kad si sa njim uživo pa krene da prica...  
  
bice i to
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cronos six
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Kit Carson
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:56:32
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quote: Originally posted by cronos six
ja ih mesam,neznam ko bese pio pivo,a ko je kokakolicar.
Ja mesam samo pica. |
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Tex Willer
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 22:59:54
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quote: Originally posted by cronos six
ja ih mesam,neznam ko bese pio pivo,a ko je kokakolicar.
Renky je kokakolicar Gaston pije Mik Dzegera a Dado je onaj s kosom. Jel' ti sad nesto jasnije |
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cronos six
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:02:53
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quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
quote: Originally posted by cronos six
ja ih mesam,neznam ko bese pio pivo,a ko je kokakolicar.
Renky je kokakolicar Gaston pije Mik Dzegera a Dado je onaj s kosom. Jel' ti sad nesto jasnije
za renky-a i gastona mi jasno,al sta ti je to dado s kosom? |
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Markos
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Croatia
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:10:16
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quote: Originally posted by Dado
Markos, mislim da nisi bacio sat vremena uzalud i sve je uglavnom u redu sto si napisao. Jasno da si u mogucnosti objektivno sagledati situaciju jer si bio i clan Libellusa a u medjuvremenu si o svemu stekao jos vise iskustva radeci na svojim izdanjima u Fibri.
Osvrnuo bih se samo na tvoje zadnje recenice: Kritike. Problem je, vjerojatno, u internetu, jer napisano se cesto puta moze krivo protumaciti. Poanta je da nije svaka kritika zlonamjerna, ali može postati, recimo to tako, otrovna, ako se tako prema njoj odnosi. Ni Kruger, ni Ratko nisu "neprijatelji" Libellusa. Ali sigurno je da ni, recimo to tako, potcjenjivacki odgovori druge strane ne pomažu, pa se stvara nepotreni animozitet.
Mislim da ovdje nisi posve u pravu. Znas da kao ni ti ne bjezimo od kritike kakva god bila. No ponavljanje jedne te iste stvari, bez argumenata, ja ne mogu vise dozivjeti kao kritiku, vec iskljucivo kao provokaciju. A kako sam znas da Krugera poznam, i da jednostavno s njim ozbiljno pricati na forumu ne vrijedi, ja sam mu onako odgovorio. A on zna moj broj, ima moj mail i ako ga nesto interesira uvijek mi je se mogao javiti.
Sto se tice Ratka, ono sto on pise o nama to je zlonamjerno, i to radi ciljano, u to me nitko ne moze razuvjeriti. A evo i zasto tako mislim. Kad god je imao bilo sto prigovoriti novim izdavacima, uvijek smo to bili mi. Primjerice kad je pricao o prodaji "iz podruma" pricao je o Libellusu, kad prica o cijeni - prica o tome kako Libellus dere, zaradjuje i pljacka neduzne stripofile. Zasto to ne pise i o drugim izdavacima, kad svi mi vise-manje imamo slicne cijene za slicne stvari. Zasto nije otvorio topic o vecini izdavaca a ne uvijek i konkretno kad god ima priliku on se javljao da bi napisao nesto kontra nas. I tako redom, ima jos primjera... Osim toga sve ovo sto je on napisao o Libellusu, on je to i do sad govorio nama iza ledja, iste rijeci isto misljenje. Ti si sad naveo neke konkretne primjere s cijenama, mislis da ce ti on vjerovati. Njemu su i ljudi koje naziva prijateljima govorili da nije tocno sto prica (jer su imali mogucnosti vidjeti Libellus dokumentaciju), no on ni njima ne zeli vjerovati. A kad netko izbjegava sva razumna pojasnjenja i dokaze i dalje prica svoju negativnu pricu, ja ne mogu prihvatiti da to netko radi dobronamjerno i bez cilja. Vjeruj mi, ni ti nebi govorio o dobrim namjerama da ti netko na isti nacin to radi.
Razumijem tvoju ljutnju, ja sam vjerojatno jos gori kad me se dohvate Stinky i ekipa. Ali. Ne znam što mi je, ima bit da sam naglo sazrio u zadnje vrijeme:) Pokušavam gledati stvari iz obje suprostavljene perspektive (istina, lakše je kad nisi ti upleten). Ništa nije crno bijelo, svi smo ljudi, svi imamo svoje dobre i loše strane, "tko je bez grijeha neka baci kamen prvi" itd itd. Naime, ja jednostavno ne vidim interes u tim napadima, nego samo provokacije. Ružne, netocne, prljave, istina, ali provokacije, ne interes. Ne znam zaista koji bi interes Kruger imao napadati Libellus. On ionako uvijek voli udarati kontru, cak i kad to nema apsolutno nikakvog smisla. U ovom konkretnom slucaju si, dopusti, ipak malo pretjerao. Koliko god njegova nastup bio nebulozan, nije u redu covjeka nazvati pijancem ili što vec, više se ne sjecam, zato jer je rekao da su mu neka vaša izdanja preskupa. Ja u tom njegovom postu više vidim žal zašto si ih ne moze priustiti, nego napad na vas. Mislim, pa covjek kupuje prakticno sve što ste objavili! Ne znam, mozda se varam.
Ratko, s druge strane, mislim ima pik na autoritete. Voli, recimo to tako, skidati glave, kazati carevima da su goli. Plus ima neki svoj smisao za humor koji je jako specifican i te provokacije koje su njemu zajebancija znaju bit jako otrovne i ozbiljne, nimalo smijesne optuzbe. Uostalom, ni ja nisam bio poštedjen, kao ni ti, znam kakav je osjecaj. Nisam pratio toliko povijest vaših rasprava, pa ne mogu komentirati da li se uvijek oceše o vas, a ne o druge (mada, evo, sad sam se sjetio da je komentirao Vedis i njihove cijene Maurovicevih albuma, npr.), ali isto tako ne bih rekao da iza toga stoji neki interes. Vec, je li, provokacija. Medjutim, on bi ipak morao znati da nije bas svima smijesno citati takve provokacije u njegovom stilu na svoj racun, koje "kad se objasni sto je pjesnik htio reci" ispadaju maltene benigne, ali pitanje je koliko ce ljudi procitati to objašnjenje. Ovako, procitaju nešto i to upamte kao cinjenicu. A on nije bilo tko, ipak ima svoje ime i ugled, pa tako te rijeci imaju neku težinu. Tim gore. Jer "ja sam se samo zajebavao" mozes objesiti macku o rep. Ne mozes se tek tako zajebavati s necijim poštenjem i obrazom.
Ono što ja sa strane u vama vidim, vidim cestite ljude koji svaki na svoj nacin pokušavaju pridonijeti ovoj strip zajednici, pokušavaju nešto pokrenuti, nešto napraviti. Razmirica i razlika u misljenjima ima i uvijek ce ih biti, ali bojim se da Forum nije mjesto gdje cete ih rijesiti. A trebate ih rijesiti, jer biste po prirodi stvari svakako trebali biti na istoj, a ne suprotnim stranama. Dakle, dosta provokacija, aluzija, diplomacije i uvijanja, sjednite i otvorite karte, jedino tako mozete doci do nekog rezultata.
Uh. Jos skoro sat. 'bemti. Previse pametujem. Uglavnom, nemam neke prevelike zelje dalje o ovome raspravljati, ovako ja to nekako vidim. Ako ce vam išta to mišljenje pomoci, super. Ako nece, ja sam napravio što sam mogao, dalje rješavajte sami. |
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Tex Willer
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:24:56
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quote: Originally posted by cronos six
quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
quote: Originally posted by cronos six
ja ih mesam,neznam ko bese pio pivo,a ko je kokakolicar.
Renky je kokakolicar Gaston pije Mik Dzegera a Dado je onaj s kosom. Jel' ti sad nesto jasnije
za renky-a i gastona mi jasno,al sta ti je to dado s kosom?
Pa drugi Dado(Gaston) ima kosu jos manje od docAu |
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cronos six
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:29:35
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quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
quote: Originally posted by cronos six
quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
quote: Originally posted by cronos six
ja ih mesam,neznam ko bese pio pivo,a ko je kokakolicar.
Renky je kokakolicar Gaston pije Mik Dzegera a Dado je onaj s kosom. Jel' ti sad nesto jasnije
za renky-a i gastona mi jasno,al sta ti je to dado s kosom?
Pa drugi Dado(Gaston) ima kosu jos manje od docAu
doca ima po sredini crni trag(krestu),iz punkerski dani,tu je znaci razlika. |
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Tex Willer
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:32:05
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quote: Originally posted by cronos six
doca ima po sredini crni trag(krestu),iz punkerski dani,tu je znaci razlika.
A ja mislio da potice od Irokezi |
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cronos six
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:33:14
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quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
quote: Originally posted by cronos six
doca ima po sredini crni trag(krestu),iz punkerski dani,tu je znaci razlika.
A ja mislio da potice od Irokezi
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:34:41
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quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
quote: Originally posted by cronos six
doca ima po sredini crni trag(krestu),iz punkerski dani,tu je znaci razlika.
A ja mislio da potice od Irokezi
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Tex Willer
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Kit Carson
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:41:04
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quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
Jos da stavimo docAinu sliku i rasprava gotova. Vise niko nece udje na ovaj topic od stra da ga ne vidi
Tex & Cronos
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Bruce Springsteen
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:43:29
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quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
Jos da stavimo docAinu sliku i rasprava gotova. Vise niko nece udje na ovaj topic od stra da ga ne vidi

A ja prognoziram vecu posecenost |
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Tex Willer
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 23:44:51
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quote: Originally posted by Kit Carson
quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
Jos da stavimo docAinu sliku i rasprava gotova. Vise niko nece udje na ovaj topic od stra da ga ne vidi
Tex & Cronos
Jos jedan topic koji ste upropastili.  Sledeci put idite na partizanov topic.  
Vidi ko nam kaze Umre od smejanje kad vido docAu |
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