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King Warrior
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Posted - 08/08/2009 : 19:08:50
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film je sasvim ok za vecinu koji ne poznaju strip. Po svim komentarima sam zakljucio da film treba gledati kao posebno djelo i ne mijesati sa stripom. Praviti film od stripa koji je Moore pisao, nikada nece imati izuzetno dobre kritike. Cak i Watchmen koji je pa skoro napravljen 1:1 prema stripu je solidan ali nista vise, strip je naravno remek-djelo. |
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aleksa crnobrnja
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Posted - 08/08/2009 : 19:16:09
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Autori filma sasvim su ispreturali stripovski predložak, ignorirajući gomilu kardinalnih stripovskih elemenata, i prisposobili film na način na koji ga je, pretpostavljam, bilo bolje prodati publici... primjerice, Mooreov Abberline je sredovječni oženjeni detektiv, dok je filmski Abberline mlađahni opijumski ovisnik u izvedbi sex simbola Johnny Deep-a. To je ipak više cool. ;) |
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mladjo
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Posted - 08/08/2009 : 19:37:02
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Zapravo je najbolje film gledati kao ne baš pretjerano vjernu kopiju filma, što zbog izrazito velikog broja izbačenih scena(što je, u neku ruku, i razumljivo znajući kolika je veličina Mooreovog djela)što zbog dodavanja elemenata koji nemaju apsolutno nikakve veze sa originalom(opijumska ovisnost glavnog glumca). Ako već i mogu razumjeti izostanak mnogih komponenti zbog kratkoće samog filma odnosno dužine stripa,gdje bi radi vjernog prenošenja trebalo napraviti barem mini-seriju od šest nastavaka,(a što je opet puno, puno bolje nego, kao neki uradci, pokušati napraviti suprotno;strpati cjelokupno djelo u sat i pol čime bi se samo dobio zbrkani mešung), definitivno mi je odbojno unošenje "stranih elemenata". Al treba taj film netko i gledati, je li... |
COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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Raspucin
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 00:37:17
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
quote: Originally posted by Raspucin
Ma ko je smeo da sta kaze onoj budali? Od njega se i kraljica plasila. Ja mislim da je posle prvog ubistva doktor sasvim zaboravio cemu sva prica. Doca je poceo da kolje iz strasti. Tako ja to nesto kontam. Dete zbog toga postaje nevazno.
Možda ne baš strasti, već da kao teži prema ispunjenju svog životnog zadatka, smislu svojeg postojanja uopće. Ubojstva su ultimativni čin pomoć kojeg će se uzdići iznad običnih ljudi. Prije zadatka, odnosno prije stanja više svijesti/uznesenja kao da nije niti postojao kao takav. Čekao je podsvijesno od malena takvu šansu...
Nisam još pročitao do kraja strip, tek nekolicinu poglavlja, no moram reći da me je osvojio na prvu ruku. One bilješke su genijalne, u svakom slučaju. Detaljnost i dokumentiranost slučaja odrađena iznimno. Strip koji vrijedi pročitati. A onda se baciti i na ostale medije koje prikazuju pravo lice Jacka Rippera.
Dete ( koje je na početku sam povod čitavog užasa), kako strip ide kraju se sve manje pominje. To me je nateralo da pomislim zašto je Mur to uradio. Slučajno nije sigurno, zato što kod Mura ništa slučajno. Onda mi je pala na pamet ta stvar da dete postaje nevažno zato što se kraljičin doca malo "preigrao". On kolje i to kolje kao stoka, a bukvalno niko, pa ni sama kraljica ne sme ni da mu pisne. Mislim da je pisac tu hteo da pokaže koliko je bezgranično velika moć tog čoveka. Toliko je moćan da može, ako mu je kurcu ćef i da ubija sve živo, a da niko ne sme ni reč da mu kaže. Pred tim se faktom gubi interesovanje za bruku koju je rođenje tog deteta izazvalo. Ja sam to tako shvatio. |
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Raspucin
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 10:35:14
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quote: Originally posted by Gand
quote: Originally posted by Raspucin Onda mi je pala na pamet ta stvar da dete postaje nevažno zato što se kraljičin doca malo "preigrao".
Postaje nevazno zato jer za citavu pricu i jest nevazno. Dijete je bilo okidac svih dogadjanja, vracanje na njega nema nikakvog smisla.
quote: Originally posted by Raspucin On kolje i to kolje kao stoka, a bukvalno niko, pa ni sama kraljica ne sme ni da mu pisne.
Mislim da dajes previse znacaja doktorovoj ulozi. Kraljica se ne petlja jer to nije njezin nivo, ona je zatrazila rjesenje "problema" i za nju je stvar rijesena. Konacno kad do nje dopre glas sto ovaj radi, ona opet ima problem, i za njega zatrazi (i dobije) rjesenje.
quote: Originally posted by Raspucin Mislim da je pisac tu hteo da pokaže koliko je bezgranično velika moć tog čoveka. Toliko je moćan da može, ako mu je kurcu ćef i da ubija sve živo, a da niko ne sme ni reč da mu kaže.
Nitko = sustav koji zna od kud je naredba stigla i koji se shodno tome ne mjesa u izvrsiteljev posao. Mislim da je naglasak na onome sto se danas kod nas popularno zove "zapovjedna odgovornost". Strah od sustava je toliki da se citav mehanizam povinjava volji jednog ludjaka bez da se propitkuje opravdanost takvog cina. Okretanje glave od tih zlocina po drustvo je veci zlocin od svih ubijenih zena u tom slucaju cime jendo napredno drustvo postaje taocem straha, a cime je pak upitnan moralni progres takvog drustva. Citaj: drustvo je trulo bez sanse za rehabilitacijom. Ergo: primjenjivo i danas.
quote: Originally posted by Raspucin Pred tim se faktom gubi interesovanje za bruku koju je rođenje tog deteta izazvalo. Ja sam to tako shvatio.
Uvijek se dramaturski moglo opravdati vracanje na to dijete, ako nikako a ono barem stereotipno da se prica zaokruzi, medjutim ipak mislim da je dijete u citavoj prici tek odskocna daska za dogadjaje koje su ga zasjenili, kako njega tako i potrebu da ulazimo u dublju analizu tog lika i vezemo se za njegovu sudbinu.
Bas si ga dobro definisao. Stprocentno se slazem sa tobom. To je lepota i znacaj ovog stripa, sto se moze citati na nekoliko nivoa. Mozes da stvar posmatras istorijski, mozes kulturoloski, mozes psiholoski, mozes socioloski i uvek je prica zaokruzena i smislena. Veliki je Alan Mur. |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 12:11:18
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Dijete nikad nije ni bilo u središtu... Ono je samo bilo povod, prvi kotačić koji je počeo pokretati veliki mehanizam koji će završiti monumentalnim obrednim žrtvovanjem. Osim stavljanja elementa djeteta u stranu, nije niti čak sam strip koncipiran ko klasični krimić "otkrij identitet ubojice", već je sve podređeno nekoj kolektivnoj odgovornosti, zločinu na svim razima s nemogućnošću iskorijenjivanja istog...
Kraljica, ta odvratna stara baba, da mi je tijekom čitanja došla pod ruku, tako bih je rado šutirao u tu hladnu, proračunatu facu i debelu tiransku guzicu. Koje je to poigravanje ljudskim životima, da se zgroziš... Čak mi je i sam Gull simpatičniji u svojoj ulozi |
“A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies; the man who never reads lives only one." |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 19:34:14
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Preporučujem...
Našao sam pred neki OK PC igru koja obrađuje Jacka Rippera. Sherlock Holmes vs Jack The Ripper, avantura u kojoj se nalazite u ulozi Holmesa i Watsona te u real-time sudjelujete u Jackovim ubojstvima. Autentične lokacije te dedukcija na leševima prostitutki, stvarno realistično. Interesira me kako će prikazati posljednje ubojstvo Mary Kelley, hoće li biti toliko krvavo ko u Paklu? |
“A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies; the man who never reads lives only one." |
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Pusti
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 19:59:14
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Odigrao sam igricu pre par meseci,izvrsna je,bazirana na realnim cinjenicama,na dokazima do kojih je dosla policija tog vremena...naravno,Sherlock je otkrio ubicu,ali ime nije izneo u javnost...ubistvo Mary nije prikazano,dominantna je Sherlockova reakcija na ubistvo,jezivost situacije...ako hoces autenticnost,izguglaj slike sa obdukcija i mesta zlocina,tu je slika rasporene Mary Kelly...odvratno... |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 20:10:51
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quote: Originally posted by Pusti
Odigrao sam igricu pre par meseci,izvrsna je,bazirana na realnim cinjenicama,na dokazima do kojih je dosla policija tog vremena...naravno,Sherlock je otkrio ubicu,ali ime nije izneo u javnost...ubistvo Mary nije prikazano,dominantna je Sherlockova reakcija na ubistvo,jezivost situacije...ako hoces autenticnost,izguglaj slike sa obdukcija i mesta zlocina,tu je slika rasporene Mary Kelly...odvratno...
Najviše me dojmila analiza, dedukcija i pregledi ko da si patolog! Lako im je bilo odraditi prizore, kad imaju autentične fotke i zapise o ubojstvima.
Samo nemoj previše pričati o raspletu avantura, odigrao bih je do kraja... Zasad sam prošao ubojstva i obdukcije Mary Ann Nichols i Annie Chapman, u potrazi sam za Kožnom Pregačom i s vremena na vrijeme srećem umjetnika Sickerta. Još jednom proživljavam strip, samo iz drugog pogleda.
Ubojstvo Mary Kelley je i u samom stripu doživjelo svoj krvavi klimaks. Jezivo i nečovječno... |
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Pusti
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Markos
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Posted - 18/11/2009 : 09:42:14
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Da, na skladištu više nema nijedam primjerak, još je nešto malo ostalo u Profilu, Algoritmu i Mozaiku. |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 18/11/2009 : 18:51:26
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Markos će ziher morati raditi novo izdanje Pakla ...
Iz kojeg je razloga ovo izdanje tako popularno? Jer je zanimljiva i ono, pop-tema (najpoznatiji serijski ubojica Jack Trbosjek)? Jer je relativno dobra cijena u odnosu na broj stranica? Ili je Mooreova fama dosegla i ove naše prostore? |
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ken2
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Posted - 18/11/2009 : 18:55:05
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ovo je jedna lijepa vijest
razlog je, po meni, kvaliteta i slava ovog stripa, plus tekstovi koji su napisani o njemu po novinama, tako da ga je kupilo i puno ljudi izvan ovog našeg kruga isto očekujem i s mausom, još brže |
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Markos
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Posted - 18/11/2009 : 21:41:15
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Ne znam, teško je točno odrediti razlog, vjerojatno mješavina svega navedenog. Kvalitet, slava, tekstovi po novinama... I, da, Maus će vrlo vjerojatno biti isti slučaj. 116 prodanih primjeraka u prvih 10 dana prodaje. Istina, u tih 10 dana su upali Interliber i CRŠ, ali svejedno, to je izvanredno. |
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il cattivo
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Posted - 18/11/2009 : 21:55:12
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Ne znam, teško je točno odrediti razlog, vjerojatno mješavina svega navedenog. Kvalitet, slava, tekstovi po novinama... I, da, Maus će vrlo vjerojatno biti isti slučaj. 116 prodanih primjeraka u prvih 10 dana prodaje. Istina, u tih 10 dana su upali Interliber i CRŠ, ali svejedno, to je izvanredno.
Sva sreća pa sam ga odmah uzeo, da se ne moram patiti kao sa svim ostalim rasprodanim stvarima...(na Mausa mislim)... Počeo sam ga čitati, taman se zakuhava (5.glava)... |
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 11:27:48
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Ne znam, teško je točno odrediti razlog, vjerojatno mješavina svega navedenog. Kvalitet, slava, tekstovi po novinama... I, da, Maus će vrlo vjerojatno biti isti slučaj. 116 prodanih primjeraka u prvih 10 dana prodaje. Istina, u tih 10 dana su upali Interliber i CRŠ, ali svejedno, to je izvanredno.
a kako ide holivud? mislio sam da bi on mogao ici kao Pakao. |
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 12:23:21
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quote: Originally posted by il cattivo
quote: Originally posted by Markos
Ne znam, teško je točno odrediti razlog, vjerojatno mješavina svega navedenog. Kvalitet, slava, tekstovi po novinama... I, da, Maus će vrlo vjerojatno biti isti slučaj. 116 prodanih primjeraka u prvih 10 dana prodaje. Istina, u tih 10 dana su upali Interliber i CRŠ, ali svejedno, to je izvanredno.
Sva sreća pa sam ga odmah uzeo, da se ne moram patiti kao sa svim ostalim rasprodanim stvarima...(na Mausa mislim)... Počeo sam ga čitati, taman se zakuhava (5.glava)...
ko da čitaju neki indiosi glava 5...mumificirana? poglavlje |
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 14:58:28
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quote: Originally posted by mamlaz
quote: Originally posted by Markos
Ne znam, teško je točno odrediti razlog, vjerojatno mješavina svega navedenog. Kvalitet, slava, tekstovi po novinama... I, da, Maus će vrlo vjerojatno biti isti slučaj. 116 prodanih primjeraka u prvih 10 dana prodaje. Istina, u tih 10 dana su upali Interliber i CRŠ, ali svejedno, to je izvanredno.
a kako ide holivud? mislio sam da bi on mogao ici kao Pakao.
Zapravo, ide jako dobro za takav tip stripa. Vidjet cemo dokle:) |
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