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Cromwell
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 15:28:59
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Hmm mislim da je Deers malo prestrog sa tvrdnjom da su likovi klišejizirani. Rekao bih prije da su povremeno teatralni, ali bez pretjerivanja. Mislim, obratite samo pozornost na dijaloge- totalno prirodni i pamtljivi. A tek prikaz Zmaja! Baš primjer odurnog patološki hladokrvnog sadističkog gada kojeg poželiš zadaviti rukama. Sjajni Bure i hrpa netipičnih scenarističkih detalja!
Pa onda još i Zagor koji igra prljavo (to se ne vidi baš često), zanimljiva povijesna pričica i stravične scene s kipućim blatom. Takav brutalni prikaz mučenja, kojem kao da nema kraja baš i nismo imali prilike vidjeti do tada. Da ne govorim onaj udarni filmski rez kad se Zagor predstavi Lao Che-u. Uf dođe mi da ponovno pročitam sve SD Zagore.
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nagor
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 15:34:03
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by nagor
Zmajevi gusari su odlični.
Teško. U tom su nizu epizoda Burattinijeve pored Bosellijevih svojom nekvalitetom stršale kao šaka u oko.
Zmajevi gusari, Liberty Sam, Indijanska zemlja i Izgubljeni sin su ispodprosječne epizode. Jedino je Krv Apača solidna.
Od ovih koje si nabrojao jedino Nestali sin mi je ostao u sjećanju kao slabija i nezanimljiva priča. Ostale definitvno ne strše.
Istina, Bosellijeve priče tog razdoblja su jače, ali daleko od toga da su Gusari "nekvalitetna" priča. Između malo dubljih "Istraživača", "Aljaske" i "Cibole", Gusari odlično sjedaju. Jedna brza, akcijska priča sa zanimljivim glavnim negativcem, koja odlično sijeda u tom kontekstu SA odiseje.
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 16:06:37
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
Od ovih koje si nabrojao jedino Nestali sin mi je ostao u sjećanju kao slabija i nezanimljiva priča. Ostale definitvno ne strše.
Istina, Bosellijeve priče tog razdoblja su jače, ali daleko od toga da su Gusari "nekvalitetna" priča. Između malo dubljih "Istraživača", "Aljaske" i "Cibole", Gusari odlično sjedaju. Jedna brza, akcijska priča sa zanimljivim glavnim negativcem, koja odlično sijeda u tom kontekstu SA odiseje.
Eh, ja nijednu od ovih epizoda koje potpisuju Burattini ili Ferri ne bih okarakterizirao kao "brzu, akcijsku priču". Jednostavno, po meni su to bile epizode koje apsolutno ničim ne odskaču od prosjeka. Pogotovo kad ih smjestiš između Bosellijevih.
Kažem, osim Krvi Apača, tu se Burattiniju zbilja dogodila jedna sasvim dobra epizoda.
Ne vidim po čemu je to Žuti Zmaj zanimljiv negativac. Takvih klišeiziranih likova u maniri Fu Manchua ima mali milijun. |
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solar
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 16:21:56
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quote: Originally posted by Deers
Pa za početak ne bih rekao da je priča za ono vrijeme prosjek. Ne obara s nogu ali ima jako dobrih stvari, stvari koje će se rijetko dešavati u Buretovim pričama. Likovi i nisu toliko jednodimenzionalni ali su dosta klišeizirani. Ali nema davljenja i non-stop se nešto događa, sada napad gusara, sada svirepo mučenje, sada misija na otoku gubavaca, .... materijal koji pokriva današnje 3-4 priče.
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tinton
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 16:29:02
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by nagor
Od ovih koje si nabrojao jedino Nestali sin mi je ostao u sjećanju kao slabija i nezanimljiva priča. Ostale definitvno ne strše.
Istina, Bosellijeve priče tog razdoblja su jače, ali daleko od toga da su Gusari "nekvalitetna" priča. Između malo dubljih "Istraživača", "Aljaske" i "Cibole", Gusari odlično sjedaju. Jedna brza, akcijska priča sa zanimljivim glavnim negativcem, koja odlično sijeda u tom kontekstu SA odiseje.
Eh, ja nijednu od ovih epizoda koje potpisuju Burattini ili Ferri ne bih okarakterizirao kao "brzu, akcijsku priču". Jednostavno, po meni su to bile epizode koje apsolutno ničim ne odskaču od prosjeka. Pogotovo kad ih smjestiš između Bosellijevih.
Kažem, osim Krvi Apača, tu se Burattiniju zbilja dogodila jedna sasvim dobra epizoda.
Ne vidim po čemu je to Žuti Zmaj zanimljiv negativac. Takvih klišeiziranih likova u maniri Fu Manchua ima mali milijun.

Bušido, jesi čito možda Buretove priče Močvara robijaša, Dugo putovanje ili Ratnici? Ako da, šta bi rekao na njih? |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 16:37:53
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Bušido, jesi čito možda Buretove priče Močvara robijaša, Dugo putovanje ili Ratnici? Ako da, šta bi rekao na njih?
Nisam ih čitao. Iskreno, ne zanimaju me. Ne sviđa mi se Burattinijev stil i nemam volje trošiti vrijeme na njega. |
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tinton
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 16:44:13
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Da, ovo nije tipičan Buretov stil. Odnosno ove priče uistinu odudaraju od ostalih njegovih. Zaboravih Mortimere, njih si čitao (mislim, prva dva)? |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 16:50:45
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Zaboravih Mortimere, njih si čitao (mislim, prva dva)?
Dosadno štivo. Što je tim gore kada shvatiš da je Burattini kopirao prilično kvalitetne predloške. |
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tinton
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 17:16:56
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by tinton
Zaboravih Mortimere, njih si čitao (mislim, prva dva)?
Dosadno štivo. Što je tim gore kada shvatiš da je Burattini kopirao prilično kvalitetne predloške.
Ne znam šta je Bure kopirao, ali meni Mortimer nije dosadan. Šteta što ga je pokvario u kasnijim epizodama. |
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solar
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 17:29:09
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Od ovoga što je tinton nabrojao jedino "Močvara robijaša" ima "nešto više" od uobičajenih Burattinijevih priča. "Dugo putovanje" pati od istih nedostataka kao i većina njegovih scenarija, samo su se ljudi napalili na temu koja izaziva emocije pa im se čini da je bolje nego inače.
"Ratnici" su ok, ništa više od toga. Mortimere neću ni spominjat. |
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tinton
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 17:58:56
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quote: Originally posted by solar
Od ovoga što je tinton nabrojao jedino "Močvara robijaša" ima "nešto više" od uobičajenih Burattinijevih priča. "Dugo putovanje" pati od istih nedostataka kao i većina njegovih scenarija, samo su se ljudi napalili na temu koja izaziva emocije pa im se čini da je bolje nego inače.
"Ratnici" su ok, ništa više od toga. Mortimere neću ni spominjat.
Mortimer, nije u tom rangu sigurno.
Dugo putovanje i Ratnici su odlične epizode. Ne znam što ti je tu manjkavo.
Koje bi onda tebi bile najbolje Buretove epizode? |
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solar
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 18:30:11
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quote: Mortimer, nije u tom rangu sigurno.
Dugo putovanje i Ratnici su odlične epizode. Ne znam što ti je tu manjkavo.
"Ratnici" su najobičnija i tisuću puta viđena priča o (polu)karizmatičnom vođi Indijanaca koji vodi pobunu.
"Dugo putovanje" pati od starog Burattinijevog problema gdje on ima dobru ideju ali je loše realizira. Većina čitatelja je emocionalno pogođena samom temom pa ne vidi koliko je loš scenarij.
glavni propusti: Najmanje je stranica posvećeno samom "putovanju". Progon, i ono što je dovelo do njega je marginalno prikazan. Ako zanemarimo Bijelu kuću i Sekvoju, temelj radnje je puškaranje i ganjanje razbojnika sa Zagorom i Satkom u glavnoj ulozi. Tu je i podzaplet koji se temelji na ljubavnoj priči između pukovnika i zgodne Indijanke. Tek, uvjerljivo na trećem mjestu je pitanje progona i nepravde, koje je tu, jer eto, tu mora da bude. |
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tinton
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 18:42:41
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Još mi nisi odgovorio na pitanje, koje su ti najbolje Buretove priče? |
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Zagor12
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 18:54:47
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by tinton
Zaboravih Mortimere, njih si čitao (mislim, prva dva)?
Dosadno štivo. Što je tim gore kada shvatiš da je Burattini kopirao prilično kvalitetne predloške.
Ne znam šta je Bure kopirao
Sherlocka Holmesa. |
Z12 je sada Golub, ali sajt je ostao isti: http://superheroji.com.hr/ - Najnovije iz svijeta superheroja
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Giuda Ballerino
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 18:58:44
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Meni je Mortimer bas zakon - visok, zgodan, plav, superinteligentan, jezivi monstrum, ubojica, sadisticki pljackas, obozavani ljubavnik. Najbolji Burattinijev lik, uzivao sam kad sam citao Sotonskog Mortimera kao nikad, bila mi je to najbolja epizoda ikad, mozda ipak jer sam imao 10 godina, ali i danas mi je to remek djelo.
Sjecam se da sam citao taj strip u trenutcima dok je Hrvatska igrala polufinale mondiala protiv Francuske, nisam htio gledati jer sam gutao Mortimera. |
Kaizoku ou ni ore wa naru! |
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Brdar
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 19:00:23
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Zmajevi gusari, Liberty Sam, Indijanska zemlja i Izgubljeni sin su ispodprosječne epizode. Jedino je Krv Apača solidna.
Slazem se u potpunosti. 
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 19:05:15
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor12
quote: Originally posted by tinton
quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by tinton
Zaboravih Mortimere, njih si čitao (mislim, prva dva)?
Dosadno štivo. Što je tim gore kada shvatiš da je Burattini kopirao prilično kvalitetne predloške.
Ne znam šta je Bure kopirao
Sherlocka Holmesa.
I The Great Train Robbery Michaela Crichtona. |
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tinton
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 19:05:43
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quote: Originally posted by Giuda Ballerino
Meni je Mortimer bas zakon - visok, zgodan, plav, superinteligentan, jezivi monstrum, ubojica, sadisticki pljackas, obozavani ljubavnik. Najbolji Burattinijev lik, uzivao sam kad sam citao Sotonskog Mortimera kao nikad, bila mi je to najbolja epizoda ikad, mozda ipak jer sam imao 10 godina, ali i danas mi je to remek djelo.
Sjecam se da sam citao taj strip u trenutcima dok je Hrvatska igrala polufinale mondiala protiv Francuske, nisam htio gledati jer sam gutao Mortimera.
U sridu!
Mnogi ga ne vole jednostavno jer ga je Buare prožvakao i napravio dvije loše priče s njim. Inače bi bilo još dobrih njegovih epizoda. |
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 19:06:48
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quote: Originally posted by solar
"Ratnici" su najobičnija i tisuću puta viđena priča o (polu)karizmatičnom vođi Indijanaca koji vodi pobunu.
"Dugo putovanje" pati od starog Burattinijevog problema gdje on ima dobru ideju ali je loše realizira. Većina čitatelja je emocionalno pogođena samom temom pa ne vidi koliko je loš scenarij.
Slazem se u potpunosti. 
MOCVARA ROBIJASA moze proci, iako me iritira Buretovo silno objasnjavanje, a prvi Mortimer je solidan, ali ostali su jako dosadni (opet, smara me Buretovo silno objasnjavanje). |
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 19:16:00
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Još mi nisi odgovorio na pitanje, koje su ti najbolje Buretove priče?
Najuspjelije priče, po mom sudu, su mu: "Tajanstveni samostan", "Čovjek koji je pobijedio smrt", "Močvara robijaša", "Mumija sa Anda", "Zmajevi gusari", "Čovjek s puškom"... što opet ne znači da su bez mana, dapače. |
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tinton
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 19:22:38
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"Mumija s Anda"? Nije fer, nisam čitao.
Meni je smiješno uopće uspoređivati "Čovjeka koji je pobijedio smrt" s "Dugim putovanjem" ili "Ratnicima".
"Zmajeve gusare" sam obradio. Nije mi jasno kako može biti među najboljim Buretovim pričama.
Ali eto, sto ljudi, sto ćudi. |
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 22:46:29
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Indijansku zemlju i Izgubljenog sina nisam citao, ali ove ostale tri epizode Krva Apaca, Liberty Sam i Zmajevi gusari su odlicne epizode. Da je Krv Apaca imao boljeg crtaca prosao bi jos bolje kod publike!
Ali stvarno je neverovatna ta Severnoamericka odiseja, toliko odlicnih epizoda jedna za drugom, nadam se da ce takva biti i JA saga!
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Posted - 23/06/2014 : 23:40:10
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quote: Originally posted by going going
Indijansku zemlju i Izgubljenog sina nisam citao, ali ove ostale tri epizode Krva Apaca, Liberty Sam i Zmajevi gusari su odlicne epizode. Da je Krv Apaca imao boljeg crtaca prosao bi jos bolje kod publike!
Ali stvarno je neverovatna ta Severnoamericka odiseja, toliko odlicnih epizoda jedna za drugom, nadam se da ce takva biti i JA saga!
Da je upola tako dobra, bit ce dobro... |
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