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nagor
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Inače, ovdje se pretjeruje s tom kritikom prepričavanja. Čovjek bi pomislio da su flashbackovi nešto što se ne smije imati u serijalu koji traje već više od 60 godina. Ja još nisam naletio na "prepričavanja" koji bi mi ubila priču do te mjere koliko nekima od vas. Primjetiš da Bure to više voli koristiti, zgodno se je malo prisjetiti stvari, pročitaš i ideš naprijed s pričom. Nije uopće toliko problematično koliko neki od vas to stalno potenciraju. |
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DODSFERD
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Za nebitne priče tipa Thunderman i slične nije problem prepričavanje jer ljudi lako zaborave što se tamo događalo, ali stvarno nema smisla kada Burattini u 4. Mortimeru prepričava kako se Zagor upoznao sa Hammadom, a to se dogodilo u legendarnoj priči koju svatko dobro zna. |
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raic1922
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 18/09/2018 : 23:40:33
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Onaj tko povremeno iz dosade pročita kojeg Zagora ne treba ni znati, tj. neće ništa izgubiti ako mu takav podatak ostane nepoznat. |
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adriano
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Posted - 19/09/2018 : 10:42:30
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Istinaquote: Originally posted by nagor
Inače, ovdje se pretjeruje s tom kritikom prepričavanja. Čovjek bi pomislio da su flashbackovi nešto što se ne smije imati u serijalu koji traje već više od 60 godina. Ja još nisam naletio na "prepričavanja" koji bi mi ubila priču do te mjere koliko nekima od vas. Primjetiš da Bure to više voli koristiti, zgodno se je malo prisjetiti stvari, pročitaš i ideš naprijed s pričom. Nije uopće toliko problematično koliko neki od vas to stalno potenciraju.
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King Warrior
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Posted - 19/09/2018 : 11:25:41
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
Inače, ovdje se pretjeruje s tom kritikom prepričavanja. Čovjek bi pomislio da su flashbackovi nešto što se ne smije imati u serijalu koji traje već više od 60 godina. Ja još nisam naletio na "prepričavanja" koji bi mi ubila priču do te mjere koliko nekima od vas. Primjetiš da Bure to više voli koristiti, zgodno se je malo prisjetiti stvari, pročitaš i ideš naprijed s pričom. Nije uopće toliko problematično koliko neki od vas to stalno potenciraju.
Čekaj da pročitaš prvu svesku povratka Thundermana i Marcusa, skoro 100 stranica flešbeka, pa da vidimo šta ćeš onda reći. |
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Zoroasterixx
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Posted - 19/09/2018 : 11:57:17
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by nagor
Inače, ovdje se pretjeruje s tom kritikom prepričavanja. Čovjek bi pomislio da su flashbackovi nešto što se ne smije imati u serijalu koji traje već više od 60 godina. Ja još nisam naletio na "prepričavanja" koji bi mi ubila priču do te mjere koliko nekima od vas. Primjetiš da Bure to više voli koristiti, zgodno se je malo prisjetiti stvari, pročitaš i ideš naprijed s pričom. Nije uopće toliko problematično koliko neki od vas to stalno potenciraju.
Čekaj da pročitaš prvu svesku povratka Thundermana i Marcusa, skoro 100 stranica flešbeka, pa da vidimo šta ćeš onda reći.
To je valjda za mlađe Talijane koji nisu čitali Velikog Marcusa i Čovjeka Munju. |
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Sneaksie Thiefsie
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Posted - 20/09/2018 : 17:20:00
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Pročitao sam prvi dio povratka Thundermana i Marcosa. Evo nekoliko riječi o epizodi:
flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla. ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫ Ajmo sad svi zajedno: flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.flasback, flashback, flashback, flashback, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.

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Posted - 21/09/2018 : 23:15:07
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Monstrum iz Filadelfije
Ocena: 8,5 Od kratkih priča ne očekujem mnogo, pa je možda ocena i malo podignuta. Većina nje ide na račun Rusoa, koji se jako dobro snašao. Zagor mu u licu malo škripi - ali je ostalo većinom dobro.
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ReemCP
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 21:29:27
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Napokon sam ovih dana dovršio priču "Ludi Hakaram", priču čiji kraj sam čekao samo nekih 25+ godina ona scena kad Zagor dobije nož u prsa kad su poglavice imale sastanak, Zagor izvadi nož i nastavi hodat i tu se završi..uff koliko sam se puta u djetinstvu zapitao što je dalje bilo i kako se završilo  |
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nagor
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 22:14:39
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Meni je Hakaram bio razočaranje iako je dosta hvaljena ta priča.
komentar iz 2014e:
62%
Daleko je ovo od "vrhunskog", štoviše, ovo je loše. Sclavi je dobro počeo na Zagoru. "Noć užasa" je solidan uradak, ali ovo je razvučeno, naivno i dosadnjikavo. Sclavi se očito odlučio malo sprdati sa Zagorom - tri puta su ga "smrtno" ranili (hitac u glavu (koljač Jack), nož u prsa (Akenat) i još jedan suckerski hitac u tijelo na kraju (Hakaram, koji je općenito plitak i već viđen lik) - to zadnje je najdebilnije ranjavanje ikada u serijalu... Sclavi je imao valda kadar viška i odlučio za foru za kraj još jednom upucati našeg junaka. Dodajmo na to da Zagor niti jednog glavnog negativca nije sredio (to je za njega radio Akenat). Jedino što valja ovdje je korektan Donatelli, ubacivanje te amazonske tradicije "smanjivanja" glava i Akenat.
Pojavljivanja su totalna naiva za djecu. Kao neće se po danu! vidjet debeli konop sa kojeg "levitira" naš junak na onom proplanku i kao zrcalo je dovoljno za onakav trik sa glavom. Ne bih Sclaviju tu toliko niti zamjerio, da nam Castelli nije već pokazao kako se to radi u priči sa ribama ljudožderima (efektno i realno prikazivanje). Zamjeram i to što Zagor može jedan na jedan poraziti na desetke indijanca, izvanzemaljaca, vojnika, demona i svačega u borbi, ali ovdje nije mogao na prepad dobiti dva Indiosa, koji su mu okrenuli leđa u kolima (nije više bio zadrogiran). Nije to više ono početno "Miki" razdoblje i zbog toga nemam puno strpljenja za naivu u ovom periodu. |
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nagor
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Posted - 28/09/2018 : 22:48:31
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quote: Originally posted by Kontrast 2
Sklavi je na Zagoru ispodprosečan autor.

To govorim godinama.
Da, Demoni su nešto posebno, ali ostalo je uglavnom prosjek i ispod prosjeka. Demonska maska je mogla biti vrhunska priča, ali fali joj jači kraj od onih bandita. Vuk samotnjak je precjenjen. Prokleto blago prosjek. Thunderman i Prorok su kandidati za najgore Zagorove priče uopće. |
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tinton
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Posted - 29/09/2018 : 09:30:14
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 Sclavi je na Zagoru definitivno ispodprosječan. Da sam bezobrazan, rekao bih da je rang Pezzina.
Prorok, Thunderman, Devil Mask su očajni stripovi. Vuk samotnjak i Prokleto blago su prosjek, Vuk je imao potencijala, ali naivni kraj ga uništi. Hakarama se slabo sjećam, a Demone čitam sada po prvi put i ne mogu vjerovati koliko su loši.
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adriano
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ReemCP
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Posted - 29/09/2018 : 12:22:11
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
Meni je Hakaram bio razočaranje iako je dosta hvaljena ta priča.
Shvaćam te, a što ćeš, imao sam prije tu epizodu, doduše samo početak i dan danas su mi te neke scene ostale urezane u sjećanje i nikad nisam do danas saznao što je dalje bilo. Mislim da je to jedan od rijetkih slučajeva (barem dosad gdje sam stigao sa čitanjem), da osmišljavanju tog spektakularnog entrancea nije sudjelovao Mnogooki, već sami Zagor i Čiko, koristeći onaj časopis. Hakaramova sudbina jako slična kao onog lika sa početka serijala, "Strvinara".
Pročitao sinoć:
LUX 201: Plamena Lubanja (od 21 str.) LUX 202: Crni Gospodar LUX 203: Horda Zla (do 55 str.)
Iako nisam neki fan paralelnih svijetova, ova priča mi je dobra bila. Jako me podsjetilo na "Gospodara prstenova", Zagor u tom nekom svijetu, samo što ovdje nije bio prsten u igri, već ta "Knjiga vremena". Najsmješniji dio kad su mali ljudi vukli Čika za brkove Čiko u početku priče dosta strašljiv, kao i inače, ali u toj zemlji dosta hrabriji, čim je nonšalantno rekao kao "idemo ubit tog Morda pa idemo kući" kao da je to samo tako jednostavno.
"Horde zla", to sam sjetio odmah podatka kojeg sam prije čuo ili možda pročitao na wiki, evo citata:
quote: Horde zla je naziv za navijačku grupu FK Sarajeva. Naziv "Horde zla" se temelji na istoimenom Zagorovom stripu.
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horde_zla |
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Posted - 02/10/2018 : 20:42:07
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PRAVDA WANDERING FITZYJA - ZAGOR KOLOR 7
E ovo je prava zagorovska priča. Najbolji kolorac dosad, po mom mišljenju.
Giusfredi je ovdje, nakon Gospodara otoka, odradija puno bolji posao nego razvikani Marolla nakon Pobune.
Wandering Fitzy je također, nakon razočaravajućeg Specijala prikazan kako i dolikuje, a njegov odnos sa mladim Patrickom pogađa sve emocije jednog zagorovca.
Priča vrvi akcijom, dobro okarakteriziranim likovima, misterijom koja i na toliko malo stranica odiše nepredvidivošću i jezom "serijskih ubojstava" (unatoč trivijalnom motivu), i na koncu nam daje izvrsnu priču adolescentskog Zagora. Patrickov karakter tada je još neformiran, i krasi ga nezrelost, impulzivnost i tvrdoglavost, ali neumoljiv osjećaj za pravdu potlačenih je tu. Poseban naglasak stavljen je na Zagorovu sjekiru, i to mi je, uz plejadu novih, zanimljivih likova, najdraži dio epizode - naoštrena na jednoj strani za lov i obradu, a zaobljena na drugoj za obranu i razoružavanje protivnika - izvrsno balansirana (ovo će sigurno iritirati one koji ističu njenu nerealnost i nepraktičnost).
U svakom slučaju, kada ovo izađe kod nas, po mom mišljenju, imate se čemu radovati. Baš ono, šta bi se reklo, epizoda koja na 120 stranica pruža zabave koliko neke ne uspiju na 300.
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King Warrior
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Posted - 03/10/2018 : 07:19:25
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Apsolutno se slažem sa viceom. Na prvi pogled sam pomislio još jedna nepotrebna epizoda iz prošlosti, kome to treba. Onda slijedi pravo iznenađenje, odlična priča. Kvaka nije u priči već u odličnom scenariju. Ovo je najbolji dokaz da dobar autor iz ništa može da izvuče svašta. Definitivno najbolji kolorac do sada. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 03/10/2018 : 09:05:40
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Ako je stvarno tako onda će to biti veliki pomak u odnosu na 6. kolorac koji prilično propušta vodu. |
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Posted - 03/10/2018 : 19:24:29
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Apsolutno se slažem sa viceom. Na prvi pogled sam pomislio još jedna nepotrebna epizoda iz prošlosti, kome to treba. Onda slijedi pravo iznenađenje, odlična priča. Kvaka nije u priči već u odličnom scenariju. Ovo je najbolji dokaz da dobar autor iz ništa može da izvuče svašta. Definitivno najbolji kolorac do sada.
Drago mi je da se slažeš sa mnom. Pretpostavljam da ovo čitaš na isti način na koji i ja. :) |
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Posted - 04/10/2018 : 08:02:53
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quote: Originally posted by vice
PRAVDA WANDERING FITZYJA - ZAGOR KOLOR 7
E ovo je prava zagorovska priča. Najbolji kolorac dosad, po mom mišljenju.
Giusfredi je ovdje, nakon Gospodara otoka, odradija puno bolji posao nego razvikani Marolla nakon Pobune.
Wandering Fitzy je također, nakon razočaravajućeg Specijala prikazan kako i dolikuje, a njegov odnos sa mladim Patrickom pogađa sve emocije jednog zagorovca.
Priča vrvi akcijom, dobro okarakteriziranim likovima, misterijom koja i na toliko malo stranica odiše nepredvidivošću i jezom "serijskih ubojstava" (unatoč trivijalnom motivu), i na koncu nam daje izvrsnu priču adolescentskog Zagora. Patrickov karakter tada je još neformiran, i krasi ga nezrelost, impulzivnost i tvrdoglavost, ali neumoljiv osjećaj za pravdu potlačenih je tu. Poseban naglasak stavljen je na Zagorovu sjekiru, i to mi je, uz plejadu novih, zanimljivih likova, najdraži dio epizode - naoštrena na jednoj strani za lov i obradu, a zaobljena na drugoj za obranu i razoružavanje protivnika - izvrsno balansirana (ovo će sigurno iritirati one koji ističu njenu nerealnost i nepraktičnost).
U svakom slučaju, kada ovo izađe kod nas, po mom mišljenju, imate se čemu radovati. Baš ono, šta bi se reklo, epizoda koja na 120 stranica pruža više zabave koliko neke ne uspiju na 300.
baš me veseli takva ocijena tog kolorca! |
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