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Stark
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Posted - 02/08/2019 : 08:24:21
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quote: Originally posted by Deers
quote: Originally posted by Stark
Zanima me da li je ikada demistiifikovano Grouchovo postojanje? Je li ikada doista objašnjeno ko je on zapravo?
Nije. Van toga da je stvarna osoba a ne duh. I da nije pravi Groucho Marx. Doduše, nism još pročitao zaostatke na ciklusu meterora ali ne vjerujem da se to mijenja.
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Spock
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Posted - 02/08/2019 : 11:06:18
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Ovo da nije pravi Groucho Marx se provlači od samih početaka. Dylan npr. kad ga predstavlja to jasno kaže. |
Kamo god da kreneš, uvijek si tu. |
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Dexters
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Deers
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Posted - 02/08/2019 : 12:32:22
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quote: Originally posted by Spock
Ovo da nije pravi Groucho Marx se provlači od samih početaka. Dylan npr. kad ga predstavlja to jasno kaže.
Da, početak. Svašta je tad bilo navedeno da i dan danas razbijaju glave ljudi. Pogotovo Dylanova prošlost. A onda Scalvi napiše broj 100  |
"Trzaj mišica i nad prazninom sam." |
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koze123
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Posted - 02/08/2019 : 17:01:42
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DD #133: Muško srce
Opet Rekioni, ovaj put sa crtačem koga inače ne volim ali koji veoma odgovara ovoj epizodi. U daljim promenama Rekioni se hvata posla objašnjenja Dilanovih ljubavnih odnosa na jedan interesantan način - naime, jedna od Dilanovih devojaka sa kojom raskida ne prihvata najbolje to okončanje veze. A bogami ni njen ćaća. I ko kaže da samo Barbatova ume Dilana da izmuči? Rekioni je ovde Dilana mučio i fizički i psihički, sve dok ga nije slomio da bi sam sebi (a i nama čitaocima) priznao kako stvari stoje. I dok sve to na papiru deluje sjajno, nažalost u nepotrebno preteranoj apstraktnosti dolazi do nedorečenosti. Kao da je Rekioni preuzeo preveliki zadatak, zagrebao površinu i krenuo da kopa ali onda odlučio da stane u jednom trenutku. Jer posle onakvog mučenja i Dilanovog pucanja moglo se otići i malo dublje, ali i ova obrada Dilanovih ljubavnih odnosa je donekle zadovoljavajuća. Svakako jedna od ličnijih priča koje na prilično dobar način obrađuju zadatu temu. Pritom, treba napomenuti da bi nekima ova epizoda mogla biti "too much", i na momente je stvarno bolesna čemu doprinosi i crtež. Dalanjola generalno ne volim, previše mi je nedovršen i ne razaznajem najbolje šta se dešava kad on crta, ali ovde odgovara, posebno u crtežima grotesknog kao i u torturi koju Dilan proživljava. Gručo je ovde pun pogodak. Dakle, sasvim solidna epizoda u kojoj Rekioni nije štedeo Dilana nimalo, a Dalanjoj se potrudio da bude što odvratniji, te sasvim dobro to funkcioniše u celini.
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koze123
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Posted - 03/08/2019 : 10:44:12
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Vidim da nema još recenzije za epizodu U dimu bitke. Kako funkcioniše to sa pisanjem recenzija, da li je potrebno da se rezerviše, gde mogu to da uradim, da li je pisanje recenzija ograničeno samo na određene članove?  |
Edited by - koze123 on 03/08/2019 11:32:36 |
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supermark
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solar
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Sarghan
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Posted - 03/08/2019 : 16:56:41
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quote: Originally posted by Dexters
Tko zna kako Groucho uopće izgleda, opće je poznato da nosi lažne brkove kako bi prikrio prave.
Barbato se ne slaže s ovom izjavom 
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Sarghan
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Posted - 03/08/2019 : 17:02:08
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quote: Originally posted by koze123
Vidim da nema još recenzije za epizodu U dimu bitke. Kako funkcioniše to sa pisanjem recenzija, da li je potrebno da se rezerviše, gde mogu to da uradim, da li je pisanje recenzija ograničeno samo na određene članove? 
Samo naprijed!
Kao što je supermark spomenuo, "rezervacije" nisu potrebne. Štoviše, taj pojam "rezervacija" više vrijedi za Zagorove priče. Ja ih inače smatram "zabilješkama", čisto kao oznaka radi lakše koordinacije da ostali forumaši znaju da netko radi na toj priči. Ukratko, nije to "rezervacija" u punom smislu te riječi.
Ukratko, ako si zainteresiran, samo počni pisati, a meni u topic koji ti je supermark linkao samo javi da si krenuo raditi na toj priči ili da si ju poslao.  |
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koze123
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Dexters
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Posted - 03/08/2019 : 22:27:02
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quote: Originally posted by Sarghan
quote: Originally posted by Dexters
Tko zna kako Groucho uopće izgleda, opće je poznato da nosi lažne brkove kako bi prikrio prave.
Barbato se ne slaže s ovom izjavom 

Ah, Izbor Hipotetska Dylanova smrt je Groucha pretvorila u gospodina Smitha- suvišnog čovjeka u apsurdnom svijetu. I dalje ostaje otvoreno što je Groucho sad. |
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solar
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morski
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solar
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ziro
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Posted - 05/08/2019 : 19:56:32
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quote: Originally posted by solar
Kaže Recchioni da je on scenarist sedam epizoda za redom (399-406).
Baš me zanima šta će da uradi u tih sedam epizoda, sve što sam do sada čitao od njega je odlično.  |
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Nula
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Posted - 07/08/2019 : 02:13:28
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quote: Originally posted by ziro
quote: Originally posted by solar
Kaže Recchioni da je on scenarist sedam epizoda za redom (399-406).
Baš me zanima šta će da uradi u tih sedam epizoda, sve što sam do sada čitao od njega je odlično. 
Šteta što većina ostalih autora ne deli njegovu viziju serijala. |
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solar
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ziro
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Posted - 07/08/2019 : 02:25:23
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quote: Originally posted by Nula
quote: Originally posted by ziro
quote: Originally posted by solar
Kaže Recchioni da je on scenarist sedam epizoda za redom (399-406).
Baš me zanima šta će da uradi u tih sedam epizoda, sve što sam do sada čitao od njega je odlično. 
Šteta što većina ostalih autora ne deli njegovu viziju serijala.
Apsolutno se slažem. |
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Spock
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morski
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Posted - 08/08/2019 : 20:14:48
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malo sam "brstio" dilanove epizode (tj, izdanja) po goodreads sajtu i pravio neku statistiku, pa evo:
epizoda redovne serije sa najvisom ocenom je #74 Dugački pozdrav (1992/11) 4.63 epizoda redovne serije sa najnizom ocenom je #336 Gori, veštice ... gori! (2014/08) 2.34
specijal sa najvisom ocenom je #2 Kraj? (1988/07) 4.50 specijal sa najnizom ocenom je #25 Naopaka piramida (2011/09) 2.57
almanah sa najvisom ocenom je #2 Demonova maska (1992/03) 4.25 almanah sa najnizom ocenom je #21 Sastanak (2011/03) 3.09
gigant sa najvisom ocenom je #6 Pokrov / Vučja krv / Smrt jedne zvezde / Misterija ostrva DyD (1997/12) 4.39 gigant sa najnizom ocenom je #19 Gradske zvijeri / Fotografiranje / Pokajnik / Priznanje (2010/11) 2.56
maxi sa najvisom ocenom je #8 Demon blob / Samospaljivanje / Strava na moru (2005/07) 4.50 maxi sa najnizom ocenom je #19 U potrazi za srećom / Otmica / Junak (2013/06) 2.33
color fest sa najvisom ocenom je #26 Čovjek bez lica / Otok mrtvih / Zaključana ljubav / Unutarnji glasovi (2018/08) 4.19 color fest sa najnizom ocenom je #21 Ljesotres (2017/05) 2.80
najvise ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radio Tiziano Sclavi je #74 Dugački pozdrav (1992/11) 4.63 najnize ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radio Tiziano Sclavi je #176 Projekt (2001/05) 3.09
najvise ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radila Paola Barbato je #200 Broj dvjesto (2003/04) 4.46 najnize ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radila Paola Barbato je #313 Krah (2012/09) 2.96
najvise ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radio Claudio Chiaverotti je #66 Igra sa smrću (1992/03) 4.37 najnize ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radio Claudio Chiaverotti je #205 Školski drug (2003/09) 3.19
najvise ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radio Pasquale Ruju je #135 Skener (1997/12) 4.29 najnize ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radio Pasquale Ruju je #310 Ja, čudovište (2012/06) 2.90
najvise ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radio Roberto Recchioni je #280 Mater Morbi (2009/12) 4.27 najnize ocenjena epizoda na kojoj je radio Roberto Recchioni je #342 Muško srce (2015/02) 3.04
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supermark
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solar
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koze123
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Posted - 09/08/2019 : 14:00:12
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Dilan Dog #344: Ukus vode
Preskočio sam pisanje za prošlu epizodu ovde zbog recenzije koju sam pisao, pa idemo dalje. Simeoni potpisuje scenario i za ovu epizodu (treća u "preporodu") a za crtež je zadužen Ponterli kome je ovo prvi rad na regularnoj seriji (viđaćemo ga u ZS u magizinima 3 i 5). I ova epizoda mi polako pokazuje da Simeoni i ne zna baš šta radi. Pre svega, za razliku od prethodne epizode, ovo ovde je čisto otaljavanje posla, bez ikakve inspiracije i dubine. Priča je prilično jednostavna i Simeoni da bi kompenzovao to počinje da bespotrebno komplikuje radnju ubacujući mnogo likova, pritom ne definišući odnose između njih dobro. Devojka koja umire na početku se ljubi sa svojom "prijateljicom" (tj. devojkom) a kasnije se to UOPŠTE ne spominje i ispada da ona zapravo ima dečka za koga je ta prijateljica/devojka ZNALA i ponašala se najlagodnije. Pored nedefinisanih, papirnih likova dijalozi su često veoma loši i neprirodni i više služe nama čitaocima da "skapiramo" radnju, kao da je u pitanju astrofizika a ne jednostavna fabula. I to je upravo rezultat bespotrebnog komplikovanja radnje koje sam spomenuo. Da ne pominjem flešbekove koji nas vraćaju na 5 strana ranije, kao da smo zaboravili šta se tad desilo. A tek to što je sam sebi pucao u nogu sa novim Dilanovim uzvikom (zbog čega?) i što je u originalu pogrešno raspleo radnju. To je lepo objašnjeno u uvodniku u izdanju VČ.
Kompozicija tabli je veoma nemaštovita i jednolična, rešetke su svuda skoro pa iste, nema nikakvog eksperimentisanja ili izlaženja iz kalupa kao što je bilo u prošloj epizodi npr. što doprinosi monotoniji ove epizode.
Crtež je prilično slab, makar meni, nedovršen. Razumem da je verovatno to stil autora ali meni ne leži i ni na trenutak me nije naterao da se na nekoj stranici zadržim i bolje je pogledam i u njoj uživam.
A sad nešto dobro - veoma je interesantna i pre svega zabavna ideja Dilana i Ranije kao partnera na slučaju. Kažem, ta ideja je interesantna, ali izvedba slaba. Da je Simeoni ostavio više mesta razvijanju njihovog odnosa, možda deljenja neke intime a ne jurcanju sa jedne lokacije na drugu jureći tragove, moja ocena bi bila mnogo viša. Jer nije dovoljno da Ranija dva puta pecne Dilana za devojku (iako je simpatično) da bi to dovelo do nekog razvitka njihovog odnosa. Nadam se da će biti još ovakvih team-upova ali sa boljim scenaristom.
Sve u svemu, veoma slaba epizoda koja je pre svega dosadna, sa lošim i neprirodnim dijalozima, bez ikakve karakterizacije likova, sa prilično slabim crtežom. Naslovnica je odlična.
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